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HomeStar - 21st Century Home Planetarium Review

Jeff writes "Direct from Japan, the SegaToys HomeStar is a unique home projector that turns any room into a planetarium, giving a clear view of the night sky. Using interchangeable plates, it's capable of displaying up to 10,000 stars of either northern or southern hemisphere, as well as their constellations. The starfield can move on a timer to simulate the earth's rotation. Also comes with a meteor generating function and sleep timer. Makes a great gift for the dad who has everything, or people who live in light-polluted areas." Check out Jeff's review of the unit.

98 comments

  1. Now we know by LinuxGeek · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wow, I guess there really are people that absolutely hate to go outside and also manage to have a decent source of income. How else do we explain this? :)

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    1. Re:Now we know by Poromenos1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, seriously. Who is going to use this? If you want to see the stars, just get out. If you want to see many stars, just go for a drive to a nice quiet place outdoors, it is really relaxing. What's the use of projecting stars to your ceiling? You might as well get a disco ball and shine some light on it.

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    2. Re:Now we know by Alicat1194 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Not so much that people hate to go outside, but even where I live, in a relatively small city, the light pollution is enough to obscure a good portion of the stars. (To the point that they have to move the observatory every couple of decades, since 'civilisation' keeps on encroaching)

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    3. Re:Now we know by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      Reach for the lasers! Safe as f&*$!

    4. Re:Now we know by JanneM · · Score: 1

      Yeah, seriously. Who is going to use this? If you want to see the stars, just get out. If you want to see many stars, just go for a drive to a nice quiet place outdoors, it is really relaxing.

      I live in central Osaka. If I had a car (and most people here do not, with bikes and public transportation so convenient), it would be well over an hours drive eastwards to get out far enough to at least not be surrounded by street lights and pachinko-parlour neon.

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    5. Re:Now we know by EvilSS · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm in the same boat. I live in a 'burb of a big city and the light pollution from the city (~ 20 miles away) is so bad that that I usually don't even need the lights on outside at night to see in my yard: the yellow-orange haze from the city is more that sufficient illumination. It's like a perpetual sunset. I would have to drive for hours to get far enough away from the city and surrounding suburbs to find a "dark" area to stargaze.

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    6. Re:Now we know by PFI_Optix · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I live in a town of just 7,000 people, and the light pollution is so bad that the majority of stars aren't visible (yes I know the vast majority of stars in the universe are never visible, but you all know what I mean). For about fifty miles in any given direction of most major metro areas, only a few stars can be seen. I've only seen the night sky as it used to look a handful of times. It's interesting now to watch people who have never seen in person just how many stars should be visible.

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    7. Re:Now we know by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      Well, I've been to planetaria as a kid, to the big ones with Zeiss projectors even saw the inflatable one at my elementary school once. I can't remember the quality of the inflatable one, but the Zeiss planetaria are really cool, and they can make presentations with it that teach you a lot about the galay and galactic effects. Also I guess this thing is ment for learning, or just as a cool toy of course. Sleep in your bedroom with real stars, yay!! As such, it's a really very cool toy.

      I was only hoping that this thing, being in the digital age, would be more interactive, so you could switch the lines showing the galaxies on and off, but for that you'd have to change cards. Or that you could show meteorites or comets, like they do in a real planetarium. Well, maybe in a few years we can view that in our own home :)

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    8. Re:Now we know by cygnusx · · Score: 1

      Well, it's a toy. A bunch of us at our school astronomy club had a ceiling projector for cloudy nights and also to see objects we could never see from my hometown. Of course, these days I'd just use Stellarium.

    9. Re:Now we know by pimpimpim · · Score: 1
      ok, the cooler digital thing, although smaller, is this one: http://www.ansibletech.com/imagearchive.html the microdome from ansible tech

      Has a big plus on the educational side as well, but is most probably more expensive. I wonder if you could build such a thing yourself by the way, with a normal projector and a filter to deform the pictures to fit on a circular screen.

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    10. Re:Now we know by Jhon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I live in SoCal. The last time I saw more than a dozen or so stars in the sky was right after the Northridge Earthquake. The difference was amazing. I ran out to make sure our garage was still standing. Got two feet out the door stopped, looked up and say "Woah". Don't often see the milky-way in West SFV.

      These are cool for parents to show their kids the night-time sky -- when the REAL nighttime sky is obscured. Most kids (mine included) are VERY interested in all sciences. I've one of these myself (not this particular one, but a decent one, nonetheless). My 4 year old daughter surprised me by placing on the wall a bunch of planet stickers. From the Sun to Pluto. In order -- AND "asteroids" between Mars and Jupiter.

      Makes a father proud.

    11. Re:Now we know by Xzzy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm 40 miles out from downtown Chicago, and about all I can spot anymore is Orion's belt. Some of the planets break through the city glow, too. That's pretty much it.

      I grew up in a much more rural region, and only after "citifying" myself did I realize how bad light pollution has become. Would be nice if it was feasible to do something about it.

    12. Re:Now we know by jdbartlett · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think this is a nice, if expensive, toy for people in big cities. Even in small cities, light polution dims the view.

      I've a friend back in London who had her ceiling painted with a mock-up of the night sky somewhere in Africa. She hired some company that specializes in glow-in-the-dark night sky displays working from real star maps.

      I doubt this box is much more expensive.

    13. Re:Now we know by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. I believe many living in urbanized areas (and then such cities would be 5,000+ or close to such towns) would be quite shocked to see the night sky as it looks like with no special light pollution influences. I've seen it just a few times the past decade or so, and it's a fascinating sight, making you truly *see* how you're on a sphere floating around in space. :-) You know you're in such a place when you can spot our neighboring Andromeda galaxy as a fuzzy spot with the naked eye!

      I looked a bit on the web for pictures illustrating how it *can* look for those who haven't seen it, or seen it recently, but didn't find any good ones (not talking simulations here) and was reminded how cameras may not pick up star shine well due to optics and sensitivity? Hmm, not sure though, and I'm no photographer.

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    14. Re:Now we know by PFI_Optix · · Score: 1

      There aren't a lot of places left in the 'States where you can see the sky without much ligh pollution. The only place I've found is in the western desert camping one night.

      Best place in the world for stargazing: the middle of the Pacific.

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    15. Re:Now we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed!

      And for those who really want a view, go to Colorado (or any other moutaneous state) and camp on the mountain peak, peak valley, or high plateau, preferabbly in the remote wilderness. This is my preferred spot for viewing as it gets you away from city glow, puts you in a higher elevation with thinner air and above most of particulates that can clog the view.

      You will see a night sky as it SHOULD be seen, with a view of roughly 160~deg of N to S & E to W. You'll get a full view of our Galaxy and every constellation you've ever heard of (hemisphere depending).

      TRUELY MAGNIFICENT!!!!

      Non-campers need not apply!!!!!!!!!!!!

    16. Re:Now we know by jcostantino · · Score: 1

      The last clear view of the sky I had was during the two week long power outage from hurricane Katrina. Around here, you're lucky to see the moon and Orion.

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    17. Re:Now we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where're from, and what're ya on?

    18. Re:Now we know by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I had some pretty good stargazing up on the continental divide in Colorado. It's also fun to watch for satellites just after dusk.

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    19. Re:Now we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wanted to say congratulations, that's one heck of a thing for a 4 year old to be able to do, especially with the asteroid belt. I bet you could pick 20 random adults off the street, and ask them to do that, and they'd all get it wrong!

      It's really encouraging to know there are still kids being raised with an interest in science, in what seems sometims like an overwhelmingly anti-science political climate.

    20. Re:Now we know by AaronW · · Score: 1

      Well, some of us can only see a few dozen stars when we go outside due to all the heavy light pollution. I wish they would just shut off most of the street lights at times. I think the only way the local observatories are able to work is that they have sodium filters to filter out most of the street lights.

      Not all of us live in areas with low population densities.

      I can *never* see the Milky Way when looking up at night unless I travel quite a ways.

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    21. Re:Now we know by LiquidEdge · · Score: 1

      Light pollution is a problem even in places we think there is none (mountains, deserts, etc). You have to go pretty far to get away from it. Here's a full-size map of light pollution in the world. [inquinamentoluminoso.it] Most people in the US are going to have to drive pretty far to get a truly dark sky.

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    22. Re:Now we know by hckrdave · · Score: 0

      I had no idea how bad the light pollution ion Buffalo really is. It was not until my first cruise several years ago that i actually got to see the night sky. Now i spend most of my nights on the cruise sipping a whiskey sour staring up at the thousands of stars that i have never seen before. People that never have taken the time to get away from a city to stare at the stars really should.

    23. Re:Now we know by c_forq · · Score: 1

      The upper peninsula of Michigan is still good, take a trip to Lake Superior sometime.

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    24. Re:Now we know by turgid · · Score: 1

      I've a friend back in London who had her ceiling painted with a mock-up of the night sky somewhere in Africa. She hired some company that specializes in glow-in-the-dark night sky displays working from real star maps.

      Londoners, eh? More money than sense...

      I did that myself when I was a student with a pot of midnight blue emulsion paint, a packet of glow stars and the Collins Guide to Stars and Planets.

    25. Re:Now we know by ShadowXOmega · · Score: 0

      BTW you sister name isnt "Eleanor Arroway"?
      :P

    26. Re:Now we know by ch-chuck · · Score: 1

      During the aftermath of a hurricane in 2003, in a major metro area on the east coast US, *ALL* electric power was out the first night. I camped out in my backyard (the house had been flooded) and it was very clear. Laying on a blanket, with AM radio reporting the latest news, unable to get to sleep, the best entertainment was the sky - never had it showed up so clearly, the milky way, a few shooting stars, etc. I even spotted what must have been a satellite, a very faint dot moving very quickly across the dense field of stars.

      As a side note - around 4AM, while in a fitful groggy sleep, there was an explosion in the nieghborhood, followed by a sputtering sound. I actually thought the Iraqi land invasion had begun, but it turned out to be a transformer when the power company tried to apply power to our circuit. Power was out for the next 5 days.

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    27. Re:Now we know by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1
      Hell, I towards the edge of a podunk town (~40K people), and I would also have to drive for a good 30 minutes to get a decent view of the night sky.

      Still wouldn't buy it though.

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    28. Re:Now we know by Jhon · · Score: 1

      Score 2 points for obscure Carl Sagan reference!

    29. Re:Now we know by japhmi · · Score: 1

      Many mountain valleys in wilderness areas are good too. Mountains do a good job of blocking light polution.

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    30. Re:Now we know by jbrader · · Score: 1
      My apartment overlooks a major shipping port and industrial/manufacturing area (the Port of Tacoma and the Tacoma Tideflats as well as Fife Washington) if you wanna see some light pollution you should come over sometime.

      Oh well though, my 10' dob cuts through all that fairly well if I'm feeling to lazy to drive out to the boonies and just wanna drag it out onto the balcony.

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    31. Re:Now we know by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      Yes, but it's still depressing to be north of Steamboat Springs and still be able to find Denver and Cheyenne by the light pollution.

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    32. Re:Now we know by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Lying on the beach on a Florida key, about halfway down the string, it was awesome. It was about 20 years ago so things may have changed, but I was on a less developed key between a couple of other less developed keys.

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  2. Sample links by chill · · Score: 3, Funny

    And you can view samples of what it generates here.

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    1. Re:Sample links by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dammit. I was gonna post that as the mirror site.

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    2. Re:Sample links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure that it has nothing to do with reference.

      I actually figured the whole thing out after visiting both a Planetarium and a Bucky-Dome [bfi.org].

      The first clue came at the planetarium. At the top of the dome was a small circle. If you visually estimated the size of the circle, you would assume it is 1-2 feet across. However, according to the planetarium guy, it is actually 6 feet across.

      The second clue came at the Cinerama Dome. The dome, like all geodesics, is made up of identical hexagonal pieces. However, inside the dome, all the pieces look distorted and irregularly shaped.

      The key here is that while both domes are semi-spherical, when you are in them, they both look like they are much wider than they are tall (sort of a squashed sphere shape). Your brain, for some reason, assumes that things directly above you are closer, and that things near the horizon are further, so the dome looks misshapen. With an improper mental image of distance, the tiles look distorted due to perspective, and the circle looks smaller because it is further than it appears.

      Basically, what this means is that the moon is the correct size on the horizon, and this "bug" causes it to look too small when it is high in the sky.

      And, if you think about it, this bug makes perfect sense. Most things your brain would see (think primitive man on the savanah here) that are straight ahead are going to be far away, or at least 10 meters or so away, so your brain adjusts accordingly. Similarly, most things you see when looking down are close, on the scale of a couple of meters, so your brain also adjusts from that. Most things you see looking up are the sky, and with no frame of reference, your brain assumes that looking up is just like looking down (after all, looking forwards is the same as looking backwards). Therefore, your brain associated things on the horizon as far, and therefore bigger than they appear, and things up or down as close, and smaller than they appear.

    3. Re:Sample links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure we have the same product in mind? I would more consider this "funny" than "informative", but then again I don't compare a shower with a gizmo like this. The best way to see what results you get is by looking at the manual. It sounds awesome but its basicly your common projector.

      I'm waiting for Star Wars' mapreader to come into production.

    4. Re:Sample links by Sir_Dill · · Score: 2, Funny
      DAMN YOU!

      I had kicked my HSR Habit.....I was clean for 6 MONTHS!!!!

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    5. Re:Sample links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ISP

  3. SB by lisaparratt · · Score: 1, Funny

    Well, I can see Andromeda, but Orion looks like he's being eaten by some Linux or something...

    1. Re:SB by fuelvolts · · Score: 1

      by far the funniest comment on /. EVAR!

    2. Re:SB by lisaparratt · · Score: 1

      I thought it was funnier than some of the other predictable comments to this article, but apparently I'm in a minority.

  4. Homestar? (The Facts) by pete-classic · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    That's bupkis!

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  5. Last time I saw stars was in Vieques by mekkab · · Score: 1

    which is a bear of a drive. :)

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  6. Homestar, you say? by Keith+Russell · · Score: 4, Funny

    /reads HomeStar name...

    (Must not make Homestar Runner joke. Must not make Homestar Runner joke.)

    Hmm, the warning label says: Do not look into lens when activated. Burnination of retinas may occur.

    (Oh, bloody hell!)

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    1. Re:Homestar, you say? by dchamp · · Score: 1

      Should come in handy next time I want to have a light-switch rave.

    2. Re:Homestar, you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And then: Your head assplode!

    3. Re:Homestar, you say? by Slur · · Score: 1

      The projection looks very distorted projected on the ceiling of my thatch-roofed cottage. Even if I adjust the --- aggghhhh!!!

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  7. Homstar by omeomi · · Score: 3, Funny

    I prefer the Homstar Projector.

    1. Re:Homstar by The_Shadows · · Score: 2

      I prefer Homsar myself.

    2. Re:Homstar by dr_dank · · Score: 1

      I prefer the Homstar Projector.

      Don't buy it. I had one and it sank my jenga jam.

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    3. Re:Homstar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was raised by a cuppa coffee... shooooooooo!

    4. Re:Homstar by bean123456789 · · Score: 1

      Who's the guy with the homsar projector,
      The cheat, The cheat

    5. Re:Homstar by omeomi · · Score: 1

      The Cheat is GROUNDED! We had that lightswitch installed so you can turn the lights on and off, not to throw lightswitch raves! ...

  8. High-tech - for the 1970's? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    ...home projector...Using interchangeable plates...

    You go girl - buck that digital trend!

    Direct from Japan...

    All the way across the Pacific Ocean, huh? Far out man, that's EXOTIC!

  9. salsadotted already by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1
    Since the site is down, I'll post the most important part from it--the description of what the HomeStar is:
    It is the planetarium for worldwide first optical type home. It is possible to exceed several thousand numbers of stars that to project approximately ten thousand thing stars it can see generally with naked eye of the human.
    Any questions?
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    1. Re:salsadotted already by Skater · · Score: 1

      How is it different from the Discovery Channel Home Planetarium I got my niece for Christmas in 2004? It sounds more advanced and a lot more expensive.

    2. Re:salsadotted already by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Well, the instructions are in Japanese, which caused the reviewer to fall under the impression that the thing was far more capable than what he could make it do by poking and prodding at it. Oh yeah, and it's considerably more expensive than the Discovery Channel one (not to mention that it doesn't look like it runs off a flashlight).

      The MirrorDot mirror has the details, along with some decent pics of the thing.

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    3. Re:salsadotted already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had one of these... 15 years ago. All it is is a light with a few covers with holes in them. I don't get it.

      Oh, the big difference is that it has /lots/ of holes in each cover. big woop.

  10. Lighting up birds bellies by wiggling · · Score: 1

    How much money do we spend, how much air pollution, acid rain, and global warming do we create so that we can light up the bellies of birds? It is possible to have development that does not rob us of our heritage and right to enjoy the night sky. International Dark Sky Association

  11. ...And it comes in the NIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!! by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Cause, you know, you gotta turn the lights off to use it ...


  12. I bought one of these by I+Like+Pudding · · Score: 5, Funny

    After reading up and correctly identifying every constellation in both the northern and southern hemispheres, I was kidnapped and transported against my will to the Credence system where I was then press ganged into service for the Unitarians as the so-called "Last Starfighter". It was a harrowing experience; I barely defeated their leader, Xenu, in a last-ditch attack with the Yellow Submarine's emergency weapon system, "Mortal Flower". After a long, boring awards ceremony, I was transported back to Earth. Nobody believed me when I told them my tale, of course, because I had been on acid at the time.

    I do not recommend this product.

    1. Re:I bought one of these by SamSim · · Score: 1

      That's strange, I'd heard nothing but good things about acid.

  13. Misread... by TWX · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Did anyone else read the headline as, "Direct from Japan, the SexToys HomeStar..."?

    It's too early in the morning...

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  14. not quite the real thing by spacerodent · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've seen these type of setups before and while impressive they just don't hold a candle to the real thing. I was amazed when I went out on a ship in the middle of the pacific and looked up. You can't imagine how many stars and stuff you can see when you don't have anything else around but the ocean. Ever since then I've been less than impressed with these at home versions :[

    1. Re:not quite the real thing by Moofie · · Score: 1

      Hmm...I wonder if there are some people who might be able to use this device, that don't have access to a boat in the middle of the Pacific?

      No, probably not. So you're right...it's useless.

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  15. Exellent unit by Nova1313 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I imported one of these a while ago. Excellent unit. Great for teaching. Also gives an awesome effect in the living room at night time when it's too rainy to go out :) /starnut

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  16. Meteor generator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also comes with a meteor generating function...
    Profit!

  17. Hard-hitting facts by Draconnery · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The site doesn't really seem to be down right now, 25 minutes after you posted, but it does still suck.

    For anyone who goes looking for TFA later, if/when it gets slashdotted, don't worry, you're missing nothing - the quote provided by the parent post is one of the best and most telling sections of this "review." That is a description of the product from "the official Homestar website, (translated through Babelfish)."

    Another important fact the reviewer shares is: "Shaking the sphere doesn't cause any rattling."

    That's what we need. A monkey reviewing a shiny ball with "soothing curves." WTF?

  18. Re:Homsar Projector by Otto · · Score: 1

    "I'm not gonna lie to you, that's a healthy piece of real estate!"

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  19. Not a troll, mods by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Homestarrunner reference.

  20. HSR distracted you from the other obvious quote: by Kitsune818 · · Score: 2, Funny

    The original Japanese description actually more accurately translates to:

    "Oh my god, Its full of stars!" ..and probably something about "Kawaii neko-chan"

  21. No planetarium matches the real night sky by dpbsmith · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unfortunately, I've only had perhaps a dozen chances to look at a good, dark sky in my lifetime. But, fortunately, I have had those chances.

    It's unreal. Just as it's hard to recognize the constellations from your typical U. S. suburban location, because you see too few stars, under good conditions it become hard to recognize the constellations because you see too many stars. The brighter stars that form the H. A. Rey connect-the-dots diagrams are lost in a sea of stars that look almost as bright.

    I had a real "Aha!" moment on one of those occasions.

    We've all been brought up to believe that the constellations are connect-the-dots stick-figures. And most of these stick-figures are so lousy that it's hard to believe anyone ever connected them with anything. There are a few exceptions, like Orion. (H. G. Wells wondered why the Christians had allowed the constellations to continue to be named after pagan mythology, and had never reinterpreted them. He figured that in any such interpretation Orion would be Christ...) Sagittarius does have something that perhaps can be seen to resemble a bow. But, mostly, they are a bunch of slightly-out-of-true triangles and boxes.

    Well, one night, when the sky was full of, what can I say but stardust, I suddenly had this perceptual shift, like seeing a Necker cube reverse. I didn't see dots. I saw a silvery, stippled texture. And the sparser and denser stipples of starlight looked sort of like clouds. And, just as you see shapes in clouds... not connect-the-dots, stick-figure shapes, but solid, three-dimensional shapes... I saw solid, three-dimensional shapes, sculpted blobs of starry fog in which I thought I could see animals, and faces, and so forth, just as I can in clouds.

    I can't prove it, but I am certain that this is the way the ancients perceived the sky.

    1. Re:No planetarium matches the real night sky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They never reinterpreted the constallations because christianity and astrology are very closely related.

    2. Re:No planetarium matches the real night sky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, one night, when the sky was full of, what can I say but stardust, I suddenly had this perceptual shift, like seeing a Necker cube reverse. I didn't see dots. I saw a silvery, stippled texture. And the sparser and denser stipples of starlight looked sort of like clouds. And, just as you see shapes in clouds... not connect-the-dots, stick-figure shapes, but solid, three-dimensional shapes... I saw solid, three-dimensional shapes, sculpted blobs of starry fog in which I thought I could see animals, and faces, and so forth, just as I can in clouds.

      I can't prove it, but I am certain that this is the way the ancients perceived the sky.


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    3. Re:No planetarium matches the real night sky by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the country really is the best place to trip.

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    4. Re:No planetarium matches the real night sky by walkitinkid · · Score: 1

      One time on acid i experienced the same thing only it was drywall, just plain white drywall.

    5. Re:No planetarium matches the real night sky by fishbowl · · Score: 1


      >I can't prove it, but I am certain that this is the way the ancients perceived the sky.

      Ancients, as well as contemporaries who live in the mountains and who sail the seas...

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  22. Not necessarily by camperdave · · Score: 1

    I was on a cruise ship, in the middle of the caribbean a few years ago. I thought I would be able to see lots of stars in the sky. However, the boat was decked out with so many strings of overhead lights that the stars were overwhelmed.

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  23. It's great by bacterial_pus · · Score: 1

    for San Francisco and other fog ridden 'hoods

  24. HomeStar? by vimh42 · · Score: 1

    Does it have a Trogdor constellation?

    1. Re:HomeStar? by grolschie · · Score: 1

      Dunno, because it seems the web-server has been sworded/arrowed/BURNiNATED!

  25. Making the Planetarium real by maggard · · Score: 1

    Many years ago I spent a lot of time volunteering at the Charles Hayden Planetarium in Boston, Mass. (actually I was the Museum of Science volunteer with most hours for several years.)

    I did a lot of talking about astronomy, showing off models of spacecraft, helping folks try on spacesuits, etc. I also helped out with the shows, the 3pm one being the live show, "Stars of the Season". In the theater for that show was the lecturer and a guard. The guards were mostly there to help anyone who had to get up in the dark, and to occasionally shush those who couldn't keep quiet and didn't believe us about how sound carries in a domed room.

    Back in those days many of the guards assigned planetarium show duty were high-school and college students, most of them from a few families that the museum knew well. It was a great arrangement, we hired whole families of kids, and their friends, they were usually pre-trained by their older siblings who had worked for us, were honest and hardworking, and the friends of theirs we also hired were pressured to be the same. We knew the parents, the parents knew the staff, the kids had great part time jobs and we had great part time staff.

    However these families were local, usually meaning Boston, Cambridge, or Somerville Mass. So they were almost universally urban kids who knew the subway system by heart but rarely got out into suburbia much less beyond. This didn't mean much to us 'til one day one of them came into the planetarium off absolutely floored: Our show was real!

    He'd stood through it a hundred times, listening to the lecturer, watching the sky shift around, various sights like the Milky Way be pointed out, but it was all "planetarium stuff". Then the weekend before he and a bunch of the other younger guards had gone up north to a lake in New Hampshire for a weekend on partying. That night they'd gone out onto the dock, and been shocked: Stars!

    Not the occasional glimmer through the glow back home, but millions, even (yes) bill-yuns! Shining close and bright, the Milky Way a clearly defined river of light, everything like we showed it in the planetarium but which they'd never seen for themselves.

    He was astonished, and full of questions: Suddenly it was all real, and exciting, and he was interested!

    We were all taken aback, and then saddened when we realized the situation. We were all well familiar with dark skies and seeing our friends the stars and planets, but these were young people who'd never seen a night sky in all of it's glory. There was a whole universe of science and beauty right above them and they'd never, never even had the opportunity, to see it and be inspired by it.

    The next summer the Museum did a program about clear skies, but that was 25 years ago and things have only gotten worse. Now many urban buildings are lit from the outside; I remember the night when the "Old Hancock Tower" in Boston's Back Bay was lit and my nearby, nicely nearly dark with small streetlights, South End street became forever bright enough to read a book on all night. The same is true of many cities, lighting the exteriors of buildings all night to show them off, and in the process drowning out the night sky.

    I still get to revel in dark skies. Many of my good friends live on mountainsides in Vermont and from there I get to drink it all in every so often, share the stars with friends, get to revisit the skies. But urban kids, outside of field-trip to the planetarium, where it seems all "make believe", they get no stars at all. That's a sad thing.

    If you get the chance, know some urban kids, give them a treat: Take them out some night. An hour's drive from downtown, a stop for icecream, then find a big field away from a mall or lit parking lot. Suburban & rural public schools are great for this, especially where playing fields are on the far side of the building from the parking lot. A pair of binoculars is great but not necessary, however sweaters often are (it gets cooold on a clear viewing night). Then start looking up. Let your eyes adjust, find Orion's Belt, then you're off! It's the cost of the evening, and a memory the kids will have forever.

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    I don't read ACs: If a post isn't worth so much as a nom de plume to its author then I wont bother either.
  26. Constellation lines? by SiliconEntity · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The picture in the review showed the projected stars as having constellation lines drawn on them! It looked terrible. If I want to get the feeling of lying in bed or in my living room and looking up at the stars, I don't want to see big, garish lines drawn across the "sky". Hopefully they have some disks without the lines, but the review didn't mention it.

    Years ago I used a kit to put luminous paint on my bedroom ceiling in the pattern of the stars. It was a set of stencils you'd stick to the ceiling and use as a guide to make the star dots. Then when you turned the lights off they'd glow dimly for an hour or more. It was really beautiful, but a lot of work to create.

  27. Covered... by jgoemat · · Score: 1
    * Two northern sky discs (with and without constellations)
    Yes, they have a disc without constellations, and a picture of it.
  28. Weird... from Sega?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is weird. I just bought a device like this at a garage sale. It's made by Bushnell, in the early 80's.

  29. I wouldn't buy it.... by maccam94 · · Score: 1

    It's probably another one of Strong Bad's get-rich-quick schemes, I bet he's taped Homestar to the ceiling again.... :-\

  30. Finding the dark skies by tjwhaynes · · Score: 1
    It's sad when you realise just how few places are truely dark these days. Living in Europe there are few places where you can get really dark skies (at least without a massive power outage). In Canada it's a bit better because there are still plenty of areas with low population density (less than 1 person per sq km). If you are searching for the best sky views, you need to be at least 30 miles away from any town or city and preferably no cloud cover at all - any cloud over a town will reflect light back at you and will knock the edge off your night vision. The best dark skies nights I've had have all been in fairly remote locations:
    • Summit of La Palma in the Canary Islands
    • Summit of Mauna Kea on Big Island, Hawaii
    • Eastern shore of Georgian Bay, Canada
    • Plains of the Masai Mara, Kenya
    When you do see the stars in all their splendour, you know why the stars were venerated by many civilizations.

    While the higher you go the better the "seeing", it doesn't follow that the higher you go, the better the view, at least from a human perspective. I found that above 9,000ft, the lack of oxygen degrades my vision. Ergo, the view from the summit of La Palma was better than that from Mauna Kea, despite being almost 5,000ft lower.

    And if you can't get out and find a really dark site, you can at least download Stellarium and play with that.

    Cheers,
    Toby Haynes

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    Anything I post is strictly my own thoughts and doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the opinions of IBM.
  31. Here is a better review... by tyroneking · · Score: 1

    ... actually when I say better, what I really mean is more Sega obsessive... http://www.ukresistance.co.uk/2006/01/segas-homest ar-planetarium-reviewed.html

  32. stellarium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    try out stellarium from sourceforge!!!

  33. Planetariums and the night sky by celimage · · Score: 1

    the 10,000 stars claim is sort of marketing hype on an average night the sky yields about 2,000 visible stars. I have concerns about the units ability to accurately project the correct star color. I used to work with a major planetarium projector that went to a magnitude of 6.7 which is about 14,000 stars. A xenon lamp illuminated each hemisphere and light was focused and filtered for each star and nebula. The problem with this unit as I see it is it would work well with a domed ceiling. If you have a light fixture in the center of the ceiling that could seriously mess things up as well. This sounds like a fun projector though but a visit to a planetarium will give a more realistic perspective. Better hurry, planetariums are easy targets for budget cutters.