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Slashback: Oklahoma Spyware, FSF DRM, Lenovo Linux

Slashback tonight brings some corrections, clarifications, and updates to previous Slashdot stories including Oklahoma's Spyware Bill dies a quiet death, Lenovo denies ditching Linux, Mars rover escapes again, RIM CEO speaks out against unlimited wireless, Microsoft LiveMail gets ads, FSF anti-DRM campaign expands, and AT&T calls Wired to task over leaked documents -- Read on for details.

Oklahoma's Spyware Bill dies a quiet death. enforcer999 writes to tell us that the Oklahoma Computer Spyware Protection Act has been pretty much dismantled by the Senate review committee. From the article: "Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, the Senate author of the legislation, said revisions he had made to the bill were well received by those who had originally opposed it, but that after making the changes, the companies backing the measure -- which had included Microsoft and Symantec Corp. -- opposed it."

Lenovo denies ditching Linux. btornado writes "According to News.com, Lenovo has denied ditching Linux on their notebook computers. Lenovo actually plans to support Linux on its ThinkPads starting in the third quarter, in partnership with Novell. From the article: 'Customers of the recently introduced Lenovo 3000 units still won't have a preloaded option, however, because the small and midsize business customers that are the targets for those units have many different requirements, he said.'"

Mars rover escapes again. An anonymous reader writes "New Scientist is reporting that NASA's Mars Opportunity rover has freed itself from the sandy soil that ensnared it for more than a week. This is the second time the rover has gotten bogged down in a Martian sand trap. Both times, the rover has managed to escape to solid bedrock by churning its wheels in reverse."

RIM CEO speaks out against unlimited wireless. frdmfghtr writes "The president and co-CEO of Research in Motion seems to think that wireless data services providing unlimited data traffic for a flat monthly rate will have a 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' From the article: '"No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," he said. "If we don't set up economic incentives now, research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future. We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation."'"

Microsoft LiveMail gets ads. Blahbooboo3 writes to tell us BetaNews is reporting that Microsoft will be embedding advertising in their new e-mail client software, Windows Live Mail Desktop. Similar to Google's Gmail, it will serve ads based on the text of your mail messages. Microsoft's Active Search feature, being tested within Windows Live Mail Desktop, scans users' emails and displays potential search terms related to that email as well as text-based contextual ads. The effort is an example of the Windows Live ad-supported software initiative. Contextually relevant ads served by Microsoft-partner Kanoodle will be displayed next to each email message. Also, paid search links will be served by Microsoft adCenter when users conduct searches via a search box that's built into the mail interface.

FSF anti-DRM campaign expands. nanday writes "According to an article on Newsforge (Also owned by VA), the Free Software Foundation's Defective by Design campaign against Digital Rights Management expanded on Saturday, targeting Apple Stores in eight American cities. However, unlike the event outside WinHEC 2006 two weeks ago, this time the police and security guards were waiting when campaign volunteers arrived to demonstrate."

AT&amp:T calls Wired to task over leaked documents. John Young writes to tell us that AT&T is standing in opposition [PDF] to Wired's recent intervention and the unsealing of documents. AT&T stated that "Wired argues that it has a 'unique perspective in this case.' If that is anything other than hot air, it is a reference to the fact that Wired has leaked eight pages of what it claims are AT&T Proprietary documents--and did so despite actual knowledge that AT&T claims its documents contain trade secrets and the Court had ordered that such documents remain under seal. A 'unique perspective' indeed--that of the scofflaw. [...] Wired maintains that the Klein and Marcus Declarations should be unsealed in their entirety because "the course of events has overtaken the sealing order." The "course of events" to which Wired refers is, of course, its own leaking of subsets of the information that the Court ordered remain under seal. Wired's argument appears to be that because it has openly chosen to disregard the Court's order (not to mention AT&T's rights) the Court should reverse that order. Talk about chutzpah."

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  1. Unlimited wireless bad? by winkydink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And it will stifle innovation? Oh yeah, just like internet innovation was severely stifled as most of the pay-per-bit billing schemes fell over the last 10 years

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    1. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Informative

      And it will stifle innovation? Oh yeah, just like internet innovation was severely stifled as most of the pay-per-bit billing schemes fell over the last 10 years

      Wholesale bandwidth (what an ISP or hosting facility buys) is still sold by the bit. It's only at the retail level (ISP customers and some hosting plans) where there's no limit.

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      "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    2. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by empaler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IMO, they should set it up like a Danish ISP. (Disclaimer: (a) I work for them. (b) I do not think they have great prices, but not insane ones either)

      They have a flat rate plan and a flexible rate plan. In the flexible rate plan you pay less for speed (good for users who use internet sparingly and don't want to wait when they finally do) and in the flat rate plan they pay more for speed, but they can get as many gigs a month as they want.

      The way I see it, this makes planning infrastructure much easier. Also, the customers who use ten gigs monthly don't really end up paying for those who use 200 gigs monthly (which happens if everyone is on the same flat rate plans).

    3. Re:Unlimited wireless bad? by tri.bassett · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ok, let's debunk this here and now... 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' A flat out lie from someone with a vested interest in keeping his fledgling "monopoly alive". Stand aside butt-wad, the train is coming through. "No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," Actually, bandwidth through the airwaves belongs to the people, dumb-ass. Keep pushing, and see how quickly your product gets ignored... "If we don't set up economic incentives now" - read as "our business model blows dead camels. We need government kick-backs to keep our dead bodies floating" "research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future". That "taxpayer funded model for innovation" worked so well for Bell Labs for years, let's keep the party rolling".. Oh, by the way, the last vestige of Bell Labs is now for sale: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/realestate/comme rcial/14bell.html?_r=1&oref=slogin We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation." Uh-huh. right. efficient use of bandwidth gets us a whole bunch of other ways to stream "American Idol". Gaaak.

  2. Oklahoma Priorities by Kelson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    They can work out law that classifies video games as harmful to minors, but they can't work out a law to protect their citizens from spyware.

    Glad to know they have their priorities straight.

    1. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by sqlrob · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, a bill (in it's original form) that let MS crawl your hard drive and forward data to cops, or delete anything they please is a good one that should be passed.

    2. Re:Oklahoma Priorities by ragefan · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Once a week, my Mac tells Apple about all the versions of Apple-branded software on my computer so that Apple can check to see whether my software is up-to-date. Is that spyware? Well, yes it is. On the other hand, I approve of that kind of action.

      But it is possible to have the server tell the client what the latest versions are released and the client-side update application can decide to download it (think just about all linux updaters (apt-get, yum, portage, etc). These corporations choose to collect this information users and quite possibly a lot more.

  3. AT&T by drpimp · · Score: 2, Funny

    AT&amp:T ????

    Dooh! Damn shift key.

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  4. Unlimited data plans... by garcia · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The president and co-CEO of Research in Motion seems to think that wireless data services providing unlimited data traffic for a flat monthly rate will have a 'devastating effect on wireless innovation.' From the article: '"No matter how you slice it, bandwidth is not free," he said. "If we don't set up economic incentives now, research and innovation for new networks won't happen for the future. We want companies to be encouraged to make efficient use of the network, so we don't cross over and use up all the capacity of the networks." Counters Jeff Pulver, the founder of Pulver Media, saying that (FTA) "unlimited bandwidth use in the wireless world is needed because access to the network is what spurs innovation."'"

    I went with T-mobile for two reasons. 1) They are the only carrier that has a viable portable device for Internet connectivity and 2) They have an unlimited data plan at a flat rate $20.00 with T-mobile mobile phone service or $29.99 without.

    To claim that this somehow creates problems with innovation is insane! Hell, I certainly would NOT be paying per MB charges and I'm sure that many others would agree. People in the US are too used to "unlimited" connections (from the dialup days through today). Per MB/GB transfer charges would fall flat on their faces in areas with competition. Luckily, in the mobile market, there's plenty of that.

  5. Slow action on spyware and spam by antic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Could one reason behind the slow government action against spyware and spam be that those voting on and lobbying for/against the issue just don't spend enough time with a standard home internet connection to see what life on the net is like with these two annoyances?

    We should be able to surf the net without risk of being hijacked and we should be able to run websites and forums without copping spam each and every day. If you run a web-based business or a bunch of websites, dealing with spam can quickly become a significant headache that chews valuable time.

    For how long have spam and spyware been real issues for real internet users without strong action from those who could be increasing penalties and tracking these scum down?

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  6. business weasel-speak lexicon by nuzak · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's a helpful translation tip, you can just mentally substitute the second phrase for the first whenever you encounter a corporate talking head saying it:

          "would stifle innovation" ---> "would impact our bottom line"

    Hope that helps.

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  7. Trust the industry, the industry knows best! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I say to you that the VCR is to the American film producer and the American public as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone.
      Jack Valenti, Home Recording of Copyrighted Works, Committee on the Judiciary, United States House of Representatives, April 12, 1982

    Now look at all the money lost by the Hollywood studios in the 90's. Video recorders cleaned them out, I tell you. And the DVD nailed their coffin shut. All this is the reason we have no Movie/Recording industry in the US today.

  8. Fore !! by Joebert · · Score: 2, Funny
    "New Scientist is reporting that NASA's Mars Opportunity rover has freed itself from the sandy soil that ensnared it for more than a week. This is the second time the rover has gotten bogged down in a Martian sand trap. Both times, the rover has managed to escape to solid bedrock by churning its wheels in reverse."

    http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/5-8/featu res/F_Better_Game_of_Golf.html

    I try to tell them all they need is to put some backspin on it to avoid thoose sand traps, but do they listen ?
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  9. Jolley's folly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Sen. Clark Jolley, R-Edmond, the Senate author of the legislation, said revisions he had made to the bill were well received by those who had originally opposed it, but that after making the changes, the companies backing the measure -- which had included Microsoft and Symantec Corp. -- opposed it."


    Translation: My corporate masters are not pleased.
  10. Wired's source unrelated to the court order? by DataPath · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I thought that Wired DIDN'T violate the court ordered seal on the documents because the court order only prevented parties to the case from releasing the documents available to them by means of the case, and couldn't possibly apply to third-party sources that have the documents and aren't part of the case.

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    1. Re:Wired's source unrelated to the court order? by Bodhidharma · · Score: 3, Funny

      And why is AT&T so upset. If they have nothing to hide....

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  11. Re:There IS a limit on wireless bandwidth by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are phsyical limits with wired connectivity too.

    The point is, the limit should be a specific rate, and unlimited *usage*, as opposed to a per-bit-transferred scheme. People will always be willing to pay for faster connections, but most fear the possibility that some uncontrolled event or fraud will run their bill up to insane amounts - that isn't a factor with a limited rate - all that happens is it will just hit the rate limit and choke.

  12. RIM wouldn't want unlimited networking by topham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    RIM wouldn't want unlimited networking available to just anyone.

    They prefer to negotiate with the carriers so their users can have unlimited network access, while everyone else pays through the nose.

    A little self-interest in limited access to the wireless network. No surprise.

  13. I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by Sanity · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There was a very small group of us, but despite being kicked out almost immediately, we did manage to flier a number of people, and attract some attention.

    Personally, I think DBD should continue to target Apple, rather than moving on to movie studios, since the media companies (with the exception of Sony) couldn't impose DRM without the cooperation of companies like Apple.

    Lessons learned from the protest:

    • Don't organize a protest on private property (such as in a mall), security can and almost certainly will ask you to leave
    • Spend more than 2 days organizing it so that you can attract more people - possibly contact local user groups likely to be sympathetic
    1. Re:I was one of the LA anti-DRM protestors by prizog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Bottom line: it's still private property even if you really really really don't like that idea.

      Not in California. See this case.

  14. Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by kbahey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, let us look at a parallel here.

    The internet started as dialup, and took too different paths in separate parts of the world.

    In North America, local calls are free, and dialing a local number for internet access was one reason why the net became so popular and successful, and why lots of innovation happens in the USA as far as the net is concerned.

    In most of the rest of the world, local phone calls are not free, and therefore the internet is metered. People using dialup have to be aware of the time they spend on the net, lest they run up the bill (think BBS's in another area code that you call long distance).

    So, did unlimited dialup access spur innovation? I think so. Would the same be true for wireless? You bet!

    Look at how cell phones are doing in North America vs. the world. The world has GSM where you are not tied to a provider you buy the handset from, and you do not pay for received calls. The contrary is true in North America.

    Greed is the barrier to innovation.

    1. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by Screwy1138 · · Score: 2, Informative

      So, did unlimited dialup access spur innovation? I think so. Would the same be true for wireless? You bet!

      It's not the same though, with dialup, you had your own personal copper, your bandwidth all to yourself. With wireless, you don't have that, you have a finite total bandwidth based on a finite number of frequencies that everyone shares.

      Those who disagree, don't deny there is a limited amount of bandwidth, they argue that technology will continue to increase bandwidth at the rate, or greater, than demand. But will that be the case? Increasing bandwidth in limited frequencies is not as easy as adding new fiber lines or, to compare it to data storage increases, making bigger hard drives.

      I don't know who is right, but I'm skeptical that total bandwidth availability will increase as fast as demand. However, we do have a large buffer of room to work with, for now.

    2. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by SaDan · · Score: 2, Informative
      Look at how cell phones are doing in North America vs. the world. The world has GSM where you are not tied to a provider you buy the handset from, and you do not pay for received calls. The contrary is true in North America.


      Last time I checked, if you didn't want to take advantage of promotional pricing for a new phone through your carrier, you could always buy the phone retail. In other words, much like GSM phones, "unlocked" or retail CDMA phones can be used on just about any CDMA carrier. GSM phones can be locked or incompatible with some GSM carriers too, you know.

      As for not paying for received calls, that's a feature of your wireless service provider, not GSM.

      Some info on the differences between GSM and CDMA:

      http://www.pctoday.com/Editorial/article.asp?artic le=articles/2006/t0401/24t01/24t01.asp&guid=

    3. Re:Flat rate unlimited is one cause of innovation by jagilbertvt · · Score: 2

      Just a quick FYI... local calls are not free in all parts of North America (or the USA for that matter). In VT, there are local per minute costs upto a cap of about $20. put this on top of the $30-40 normal phone bill (not including long distance) and you're talking $50-$60 + $20 for local internet access. It certainly isn't cheap.

      Thankfully dialup access is a little cheaper now, but phone lines certainly arent. I'm sure this is certainly helping VOIP + Cable (though only maybe 20% of the state can get cable).

  15. Uh, no. by jd · · Score: 3, Informative
    If you're a corporation, you might buy a T1, T3 or even a T4 line. (No sane person buys T2, as fractional T3 is usually going to be cheaper.) You might even buy a service plan that "guarantees" you a certain AVERAGE bit-rate (except that there are so many get-out clauses that the guarantee isn't worth the paper it is written on), but you NEVER pay per packet, and CERTAINLY NEVER pay per bit.


    (The closest I've ever seen to a pay-per-packet scheme was the old Packet Switch Stream service from British Telecom, which charged per connection to the X.25 exchange AND per minute of connection AND per K of data sent AND per unit of time you spent on the phone line to use their bloody server in the first place. Sure, there's a per-K in there, but it was so small as to be a negliagible fraction of the total cost. And that WAS to end-users, so even there the claim is incorrect.)


    Peer-to-Peer backbone routing is usually at a nominal cost, as the whole idea of peering is that each network accesses the other networks equally in all directions with no bias or preference. Of course, if the preferential service system goes into effect, the entire backbone will collapse. It's impossible to have preferential service in a totally peer-based network.

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    1. Re:Uh, no. by jd · · Score: 2, Informative
      T2 and T4 are different speed connections, similar to the more common T1 and T3 lines. The speeds are as follows:
      • T1: 1544 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T1c: 3152 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T2: 6312 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T3: 44736 kbps +/- 50 ppm
      • T4: 274760 kbps +/- 50 ppm

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      It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  16. Re:Unstoppable Opportunity by FhnuZoag · · Score: 2

    Quit giving the Martian Council ideas, traitor!