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RAID Controller Shoot-Out

mikemuch writes "ExtremeTech has a comparison with benchmarks of three RAID controllers from Adaptec, LSI Logic, and Promise, and along the way gives you a little refresher course on RAID in general and why you want to use it: faster throughput, longer uptime, and improved data security. Motherboard RAID controllers do well when there's 'very little or no load on the CPU, I/O bus, and memory bandwidth. But with heavy traffic and processor loads, the limitations of the shared bus and the benefits of intelligent RAID's integrated IOP and memory cache have a more significant impact.'"

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  1. Moral of the story... by thebdj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On-board RAID is good enough for most everyone.

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    1. Re:Moral of the story... by Harinezumi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The vast majority of onboard RAID "controllers" I've encountered so far have been little more than a software driver. And a Windows-only one at that.

  2. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by MrSquirrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, if you get two reliable drives (vs. cheap pieces of crap) RAID0 is awesome. Especially if you get high rpm (10,000 or 15,000) drives. While there is no redundancy in RAID0, it greatly increases any loading from hard drives -- this doesn't matter to the average user, but to someone who's loading large files all the time (CAD work, gaming, etc.) it makes the world of difference.

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  3. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by William_Lee · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Hey, let's double our chances of data loss by distributing data over TWO drives instead of one. Dumbass.

    In case you didn't realize it, the purpose of RAID0 is to increase performance. People running it are not concerned about data loss on those drives; they are trading off reliability for increased performance. and by the way, It's DUMAS!

  4. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RAID-0 is good for scenarios where you need lots of temproary space like video editing, rendering and such. It's only evil when you use it for any reason other than that.

  5. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by crerwin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sure, if you use RAID0 to store your important documents and don't back up, you're either a masochist or your teacher should reconsider the decision to mainstream you. However, if speed is more important than data safety RAID0 has its place.

    One example is gamers. The kind of gamers who sometimes have a computer only for gaming. Other than their saved games, the data integrity isn't all that important as a reinstall could take place in an afternoon.

    There are also many fields which require fast read/write times, like digital video/audio/etc. As long as everything gets backed up, the RAID0 array is more of a middle step between RAM and reliable non-volatile storage.

    Another possibility is installing the Operating System on a RAID0 array, and data on another disk or array better suited for not ruining your life.

  6. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by i_am_not_a_script_03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes all you care about is the maximum performance you can get out of a disk subsystem. You might not care about data loss because you've some other means of taking care of it (backups, replication, network raid etc.), or the data is dispensable. An example is a cluster of high performance database servers, with replication taking care of the data redundancy and a raid 0 disk subsystems because thats the best raw performance you can get.

  7. Most ATA RAID controllers are unreliable by Theovon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've used some RAID controllers myself, and I have friends with a lot of experience with them. A key factor in what makes a good RAID controller is not throughput. It's long-term reliability. How long can you hammer your RAID array before you get unrecoverable corruption? A RAID array is supposed to prevent that, but if you have some weird bug in your RAID controller, or it's susceptible to EM interference from surrounding components, you will get data corruption. And I don't mean for reads; I mean that the data gets corrupted on the way from memory to the disk (at least that's our theory), where no RAID controller can protect you.

    Of ATA controllers, our experience shows that 3ware controllers are the least unreliable. That is, they generally suck, because they have demonstrated performance problems and other weird failures that 3ware couldn't help us resolve, but they suffer from the least data corruption.

    For whatever reason, the on-board controllers are the worst. They seem nice and perform well enough, but they have the highest rate of data corruption.

    It may or may not surprise you that software RAID is relatively reliable. With a RAID1, you'd think you're twice as likely to corrupt data on writes, because you have to send the same data twice to two different drives. Sure, having them both bad is unlikely, but at a later time, how do you know which copy of a given sector is correct? But we think that removing an unreliable hardware RAID controller from the data path and just having the relatively simple ATA controller in the way reduces chances of a problem. Just a guess.

    If you want truly reliable hardware RAID, you need to spend your life savings on an industrial-strength SCSI RAID controller.

    The moral of the story is that there's really no such thing as 100% reliable data storage. If you want speed and don't care about reliability, RAID0 is for you. Other RAID levels add redundancy, which is nice in theory, but add hardware complexity that offsets some of the advantage. For my critical data, I store to CD and DVD ROM. And I make multiple copies of those, because those aren't all that reliable either.

    1. Re:Most ATA RAID controllers are unreliable by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Personally, I've grown very fond of Software RAID. Especially mdadm.

      I've dealt with both (hardware RAID, hardware RAID that is really software RAID and Linux Software RAID) and for a smaller company, Software RAID wins out. I don't have to worry about driver issues, I don't have to worry about keeping 2 extra RAID controllers on-hand in case the first one fries, and I can move the disks to another machine with different hardware and still get the RAID back up and running.

      Software RAID seems very flexible when compared to the hardware cards and performance is typically pretty good.

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  8. Re:Don't trust them farther than you can throw the by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I second the Areca recommendation. Their cards are very capable of detecting a failed disk, taking it offline, mailing the operator, and sounding the buzzer, all without skipping a beat as far as the host operating system can tell. And their RAID engine is bleeding fast, too. I just wish the kernel folks would try harder to get their driver into the mainline. Areca is the rare example of a manufacturer who undertook the cost to write their own Linux driver and release it under the GPL, and the kernel maintainers have spent more than a year whining and bitching about how the code doesn't fit in their 80-column terminals.

  9. Yup by metamatic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A review of SATA RAID controllers that have open source Linux drivers would be very useful to me.

    The ExtremeTech article was a complete waste of time.

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