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RAID Controller Shoot-Out

mikemuch writes "ExtremeTech has a comparison with benchmarks of three RAID controllers from Adaptec, LSI Logic, and Promise, and along the way gives you a little refresher course on RAID in general and why you want to use it: faster throughput, longer uptime, and improved data security. Motherboard RAID controllers do well when there's 'very little or no load on the CPU, I/O bus, and memory bandwidth. But with heavy traffic and processor loads, the limitations of the shared bus and the benefits of intelligent RAID's integrated IOP and memory cache have a more significant impact.'"

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  1. Re:Moral of the story... by Harinezumi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The vast majority of onboard RAID "controllers" I've encountered so far have been little more than a software driver. And a Windows-only one at that.

  2. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by MrSquirrel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Actually, if you get two reliable drives (vs. cheap pieces of crap) RAID0 is awesome. Especially if you get high rpm (10,000 or 15,000) drives. While there is no redundancy in RAID0, it greatly increases any loading from hard drives -- this doesn't matter to the average user, but to someone who's loading large files all the time (CAD work, gaming, etc.) it makes the world of difference.

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  3. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by i_am_not_a_script_03 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sometimes all you care about is the maximum performance you can get out of a disk subsystem. You might not care about data loss because you've some other means of taking care of it (backups, replication, network raid etc.), or the data is dispensable. An example is a cluster of high performance database servers, with replication taking care of the data redundancy and a raid 0 disk subsystems because thats the best raw performance you can get.

  4. How did they work under? by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Linux, BSD, or Solaris?
    How about calling it the Windows RAID controller shoot out?
    ExtremeTech should just change it's name to Mainstream tech and get it over with.

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  5. *nix RAID Support by pilot1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to the OpenBSD i386 supported hardware website, out of the cards reviewed, only Adaptec and LSI cards are compatible with OpenBSD.
    However, Adaptec has refused to provide documentation so that the OpenBSD project may improve the drivers.
    "Note: In the past year Adaptec has lied to us repeatedly about forthcoming documentation so that RAID support for these (rather buggy) raid controllers could be stabilized, improved, and managed. As a result, we do not recommend the Adaptec cards for use."
    Other *nix variants might support the Adaptec and Promise cards a little more, but the hardware fully supported by OpenBSD is generally well-supported across all *nix variants.
    Out of the cards reviewed, only the one from LSI is worth buying. Adaptec may have a little support, but it's not a good idea to purchase any RAID cards from them until they start providing better documentation.

  6. Most ATA RAID controllers are unreliable by Theovon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've used some RAID controllers myself, and I have friends with a lot of experience with them. A key factor in what makes a good RAID controller is not throughput. It's long-term reliability. How long can you hammer your RAID array before you get unrecoverable corruption? A RAID array is supposed to prevent that, but if you have some weird bug in your RAID controller, or it's susceptible to EM interference from surrounding components, you will get data corruption. And I don't mean for reads; I mean that the data gets corrupted on the way from memory to the disk (at least that's our theory), where no RAID controller can protect you.

    Of ATA controllers, our experience shows that 3ware controllers are the least unreliable. That is, they generally suck, because they have demonstrated performance problems and other weird failures that 3ware couldn't help us resolve, but they suffer from the least data corruption.

    For whatever reason, the on-board controllers are the worst. They seem nice and perform well enough, but they have the highest rate of data corruption.

    It may or may not surprise you that software RAID is relatively reliable. With a RAID1, you'd think you're twice as likely to corrupt data on writes, because you have to send the same data twice to two different drives. Sure, having them both bad is unlikely, but at a later time, how do you know which copy of a given sector is correct? But we think that removing an unreliable hardware RAID controller from the data path and just having the relatively simple ATA controller in the way reduces chances of a problem. Just a guess.

    If you want truly reliable hardware RAID, you need to spend your life savings on an industrial-strength SCSI RAID controller.

    The moral of the story is that there's really no such thing as 100% reliable data storage. If you want speed and don't care about reliability, RAID0 is for you. Other RAID levels add redundancy, which is nice in theory, but add hardware complexity that offsets some of the advantage. For my critical data, I store to CD and DVD ROM. And I make multiple copies of those, because those aren't all that reliable either.

    1. Re:Most ATA RAID controllers are unreliable by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Informative

      I finally broke down and bought an Areca card for one of my home-office servers (I had read some nice reviews and wanted to test one myself before recommending it). Seems reliable (at least from my single, lonely sample point) - it handled a drive failure perfectly (that is, it caught ugly S.M.A.R.T. statistics and notified us before the drive actually failed completely) - and it's very fast. Their Linux driver is BLOB-Free, well-commented and 100% GPL. Prices are reasonable, but it'd be nice if they were available through mainstream distribution (Ingram, TechData, etc) - not yet, apparently.

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  7. Re:RAID0 is evil and must die. by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Hey, let's double our chances of data loss by distributing data over TWO drives instead of one.

    Dumbass."

    Thank you for your comment, Dumbass, but around here you don't need to sign your name to each comment. The system does that for you automatically.

  8. Don't trust them farther than you can throw them by ErikTheRed · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ok, I realize it's a bad metaphor because you actually can throw a motherboard quite a distance. But here's another example of where things can go horribly wrong: How do they handle error conditions? On my desktop system, I'm running RAID-0 (with WD Raptor drives) for speed. Yes, I know what I'm doing (famous last words). No, I don't store any important data on my desktop (it's on a RAID-5 array on a server). Originally, I was using the Silicon Image 3114R on-board RAID controller included on my Asus A8N-SLI "Premium" motherboard. Eventually one of the drives died. The SI3114R responded to the problem by freezing and becoming unresponsive when a disk error occurred. Under DOS, Linux, or WinXP - the problem is not OS specific. The rest of the system works fine, but once it hits an error the SI3114R just stops working and returns nothing but errors to the OS. Now, since Asus doesn't update the SI3114R BIOS in their mobo BIOS updates (and I'm too lazy to hack my own), I don't know whether it's bad silicon, bad BIOS, or a bad design (my guess would be the latter). Accessing the drive's S.M.A.R.T. data indicates that the warning numbers were screamingly bad and probably were for some time.

    So apparently the SI3114R doesn't monitor S.M.A.R.T. data, and it's error-handling capabilities fall somewhere between "shitty" and "non-existant". No big deal for me; I was only inconvenienced by having to re-install operating systems and applications.

    The moral of this long-winded story is that you generally get what you pay for. This isn't the first bad experience I've had with on-board RAID controllers. If your data is important, then spend the appropriate money (think in terms of data replacement cost), do the appropriate research, and invest in a RAID setup that's right for your situation. If your protected data consists of anything more important than your Oblivion saved games, your mobo's RAID controller (or the $39 Fry's special) is probably the wrong choice.

    And if anyone cares to know, I'm now using the NVRAID on the mobo (we'll eventually see if it handles failures more gracefully), and I use an Areca ARC-1110 on my server. I can attest that the Areca card does handle failures extremely well, albeit noisily.

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  9. Re:Don't trust them farther than you can throw the by Jeffrey+Baker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I second the Areca recommendation. Their cards are very capable of detecting a failed disk, taking it offline, mailing the operator, and sounding the buzzer, all without skipping a beat as far as the host operating system can tell. And their RAID engine is bleeding fast, too. I just wish the kernel folks would try harder to get their driver into the mainline. Areca is the rare example of a manufacturer who undertook the cost to write their own Linux driver and release it under the GPL, and the kernel maintainers have spent more than a year whining and bitching about how the code doesn't fit in their 80-column terminals.

  10. Re:Moral of the story... by labratuk · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...and a proprietary striping format, so when you have controller problems you have to use the same vendor's software & hardware to recover your data.

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