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Project OpenSky Takes Off

Jesrad writes "As was reported two years ago on Slashdot, japanese artists, students and engineers under the lead of Kazuhiko Hachiya have taken upon themselves to build a real-size, fully functional Mehve (japanese website), the small jet-powered glider flying wing ridden by anime heroin Nausicaa. They have made a lot of progress, and are now test-flying the full scale, yet unpowered model by tow-launching it along with its thrilled pilot. They're having a lot of fun, too, judging from the movies of the testing sessions."

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  1. "anime heroin" by DoctorMabuse · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is anime heroin better than black tar heroin or china white heroin? I'm going to have to go to Tokyo and ask a heroine.

  2. usage -10 by leed_25 · · Score: 4, Informative

    In think that you may have meant 'heroine' instead of 'heroin'.

  3. Re:Hm... by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 3, Informative

    You would have to get FAA clearance to fly it if it does not fall under the classification of an ultralight aircraft.

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  4. Mehve? by Mish · · Score: 5, Funny
    ...have taken upon themselves to build a real-size, fully functional Mehve (japanese website)
    Did anyone else read this and find their brain filing "Mehve" away as the Japanese word for "website"? For a minute I found myself wondering what was so special about putting together a Japanese website.
  5. Every kid's dream machine by ashitaka · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anyone who's seen the opening sequence from "Kaze no Tani no Nausicaa" (Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind ) can understand the type of flight experience they are trying to produce here.

    The freedom with which Nausicaa sails around the skies on a flying machine light enough to carry yet strong enough to carry out some hairy aerobatics has figured in many a daydream. Hayao Miyazaki takes our daydreams and puts them on the big screen.

    Of course the reality of FAA regulations and principles of aerodynamics tend to get in the way of truly realizing the dreams but I give kudos to these guys for trying.

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    1. Re:Every kid's dream machine by joneshenry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      My dream machine (although it turned out to not be a machine) as a kid would have been an EVA from Neon Genesis Evangelion. I would not have had a qualm about even killing another kid if given an order to do so if obeying such orders was the price of being an EVA pilot. The power to level cities, and if in EVA Unit 01, power without limit, would be in my opinion the most common modern dream in the post video game younger generation, not peacefully flying on a jet-powered glider.

      Nausicaa was a scientist who performed careful experiments that led her to her ultimate conclusions about the role of the deadly fungus and forest in the ecology of the post-apocalyptic world. Genre fiction since then has generally preferred to reject science as the mode of enlightenment, preferring anything else from heredity to magic.

      I guess this point I am more a cynic about what young people really want if freed from the thin vaneer of civilization, similar to the philosophy of Lord of the Flies.

    2. Re:Every kid's dream machine by sabernet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      then again, an Eva had the battery life of your average Dell laptop.

  6. Re:Hm... by 13bPower · · Score: 4, Funny

    Oh, I thought he meant getting sued by whomever created the anime.

  7. Re:Hm... by megaditto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, not really, all is legal. It just has to be slow (100 mph I believe) and weigh less than 200 lb (100 kg).

    Unpowered verstions of paragliding and hand gliding are very popular and have been around for decades. Re: http://www.ushga.org/ and http://www.paragliding.net/
    And the only reason the story made the front page is because it had 'anime'

    Check your state law, however, as some states have certain restrictions on flying over populated areas, cities, etc.
    Also, you might get shot down if you try to fly one of those around Washington, DC.

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  8. The Fuel Inside You. by twitter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sure you can keep it up for hours. See here for a quick run down on human powered flight. Now consider the fact that a lawn mower, with it's tiny tank, provides ten to twenty times as much power as you can sustain and does it for hours on end. It's not far from there to the whole ultralight aircraft industry.

    Those things are too dangerous for me but are lots of fun for those who fly them. I like something with a little more power to get out of trouble. Ultralights get blown around and where the wind blows is not always good for you.

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  9. Re:Fuel by Baddas · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fuel density:

    Kerosene (Diesel fuel): 11,000 watt-hours per liter, 13,000 watt-hours per kg

    Typical ultralight engine: 30,000 watts

    Assuming you are running at full throttle all the time (fairly unlikely):

    a 10 liter tank will last you 3-odd hours and weigh right around 12 kg. Most ultralights have a fuel capacity between 8 and 35 liters.

    Does the math work out better for you now?

  10. Re:Hm... by kfg · · Score: 3, Informative

    It just has to be slow (100 mph I believe). . .

    That would kilometers/hour. 55 knots. 63 mph.

    . . .and weigh less than 200 lb (100 kg).

    155 lbs. for unpowered craft; 255 lbs. empty (maximum fuel load of 5 gal.) for powered craft.

    KFG

  11. Impressive work by Thagg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had seen their previous RC models -- which really didn't look too much like the glider from the movie -- and thought "OK, that's pretty cool".

    This is lightyears beyond cool.

    They are fighting a lot of aerodynamic issues to make a human-carrying glider that now looks remarkably like the one in the movie. The challenge in flying wings is to fight the tendency of most wings to pitch down. In addition to this natural tendency, this wing has two things going against it.

    1) The "jet" causes drag below the CG
    2) The person raises the CG so high that there is a tendency to be unstable

    Add to this the fact that the design allows very little sweepback (a typical way to get pitch stability in flying wings (see B2 and Northrop)) then you are really in a bind.

    They must have a fabulously high positive pitching-moment airfoil. It is possible to make reasonably efficient airfoils with some positive pitch moment, but unless they've invented something truly revolutionary -- the demands on this airfoil for stability might mean that the glide ratio would not be very good.

    Still -- unbelivably impressive. Way to go!

    Thad Beier

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  12. Nausicaa wears pants. by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 3, Informative

    They're close to skin color, so unfortunately it isn't terribly obvious. This isn't that kind of anime. Sheesh.

    FAQ

  13. Scooby doobie doo by DanTheLewis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anime heroin is two parts narcotic, one part soul of the forest, and one part nanobot. Somebody told me they were starting to put in ground Pikachu, but who could harm that little thing? Except Mew Two, that is.

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  14. Re:Hm... who cares by tanek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Isn't this sort of thing illegal here in the states?
    U.S. jurisdiction does not (yet) spill over into Japan, so this is sort of irrelevant.
  15. Re:Yves Rossy has been there... by Hymer · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry... the link is here

  16. Re:small jet-powered glider? by rossifer · · Score: 4, Informative

    The result is that homebuilt aircraft are more likely to have safety features (e.g. modern auto engines,

    Gotta stop you right there. Automobile engines and aircraft engines are very different beasts for very good reasons. Automobile engines normally run at 20% of rated power with occasional bursts to 80% rated power and only the rarest burst to 100% rated power. Aircraft engines normally run at 80% rated power and will routinely spend several minutes at 100% power during each flight (takeoff and climbout). That critical "expected normal load" results in a very different engine design.

    If you try to put an automobile engine in an airplane without substantial redesign to account for the different expected loads, you're basically guaranteeing premature catastrophic failure.

    The result is that homebuilt aircraft have as good a safety record as commercially built designs.

    Check your facts. Homebuilts have a much higher accident rate per flight-hour. Still pretty low, though.

    Regards,
    Ross

  17. Re:Glider? by bombman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well - sort of - in the animated movie, the jet is used only occationally (liftoff etc)
    and the wing is often used as a glider.