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Another Microsoft Exec Steps Down

Arcanimus writes "On Tuesday, the corporate vice president of Windows Live and MSN marketing, Martin Taylor, announced that he is leaving Microsoft. Just three months ago, Taylor was appointed to his new position to manage the marketing of Windows Live. In his 13 years with the company, Taylor even worked directly with CEO Steve Ballmer."

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  1. Is this good or bad? by Theovon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As evil as Microsoft is, I've never been able to decide whether or not Bill Gates himself is evil. My suspect, even, that Microsoft's evil behavior is an emergent property of their corporate culture. No one individual person in Microsoft (well, actually, I think Balmer is a nutball) is truly evil. It's like how one termite is insignificant, but a colony of them can destroy an entire neighborhood. :)

    Still, a lot of corporate culture comes down from the top. Gates' ambition to have "microsoft products on every computer in every home" turns into overly aggressive business behavior. With him and others going, are things going to improve for the rest of us? Or have any of these guys been keeping others in check, and they're about to get worse?

    1. Re:Is this good or bad? by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He is a good businesman, and he has done a lot. Microsoft has become the leading Software company and OS. And made himself a lot of money. Yes he may have had monopoly advantage. Yes things are not cut and straight. But Micrsoft is not Enron. Rememeber that.

      When Microsoft started, our current "friend", IBM, was considered evil.

      Microsoft has done some strange businness practices, but has also helped spawn Linux, Opensource, Firefox, etc. I dont think Opensource would have got even half the amount of exposure had Microsoft not attacked it so vigorously.

      SO in the future, in hindsight, we may even THANK Microsoft.

      Finally Bill Gates may have gotten most of his fortune through Monopolistic Practises, but hhe has already pledges to give away 90% or more to charity, and as funds. If he does indeed do that, well woudlnt that be equal to the amount of money that he gained from being monopolistic?

      If Microsoft were more "fair" as we wish, his fortune would be probably 10% of what it is. So in a way, he is giving away for good causes, exactly what he got through ill gotten gains?

      Points to consider

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    2. Re:Is this good or bad? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bill Gates may have gotten most of his fortune through Monopolistic Practises, but hhe has already pledges to give away 90% or more to charity,

      Giving away his ill-gotten gains is a great thing, but it doesn't really make him less of a crook. Carnegie built a university and a lot of libraries, but he still had blood on his hands from the people his Pinkerton thugs murdered.

      -jcr

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      The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
    3. Re:Is this good or bad? by SenseiLeNoir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am not a "Microsoft Apologist", but the argument you gave is not a fair comparison. I dont think Bill Gates has murdered anyone, or any other serious crime as such. They are a highly agreessive (probably tooo agressive) company, following Bill Gates original vision of "Microsoft on every computer". They may be a convicted monopolist, but please put it in context when comparing against Carnagie. I do not wish to hear a joke about Chairs here, please.

      Secondly his donations for AIDS IS important. I like most "M$ Bashers" tried to see if there was any catches, or somethingin the money he has donated. But try as I might, I cannot see anythign that is beyond reasonable. He has donated money to help fight a terrible desease. Also looking at the donations it does go beyond just drugs, but also looks at the education required to actually help preventing it from occurring.

      Sorry, but AIDS is a greater evil, and regardless of who, I am glad someone is providing some much needed funds and publicity to achieve that.

      We can arguably critisize Microsoft regarding the quality and security of their products, and decisions. But we should not critisize the contribution of the donations.

      In the long past, businesses in the United Kingdom, where I live, was responsible for starting the Slave Trade, transportign many africans to the Americas. Eventually when they realised that it was wrong (thanks to also some effective campaigns at home) They were the first to actively work on banning it.

      People can change. And without sounding like a religious preacher, many people sin, not many people try to put it right.

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    4. Re:Is this good or bad? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My wife has helped me to become a "better" guy. Perhaps Bill is equally lucky.

  2. Not really a big deal by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that this is not really a big deal. Ray Ozzie likely want to have a chance to set up his own exec staff and this guy does not figure in that plan. I won't be surprised if other folks leave over the next couple of years as the company transitions from Gates to Ozzie.

    1. Re:Not really a big deal by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But according to the article about Gates leaving the other day, that transition has already been in progress for a couple of years. Why does it seem like execs are suddenly leaving?

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  3. Sounds more like he was canned than resigned by Bartman_279 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    FTFA...

    "We have made the difficult decision to part ways with Martin, but we don't comment on personnel matters," the company said. "We appreciate Martin's contributions at Microsoft over the past 13 years."

    That doesn't sound like he resigned to go elsewhere, but more like "There's the door, someone grab his badge and escort him out."

    We'll probably never know why, but this is Slashdot, so speculation is almost as good as fact.

  4. Re:sinking ship? by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "no comment departures" are a result of the HR department giving you a nice sevrance package and, in return, making you sign a document that says you won't comment.

  5. Re:sinking ship? by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    why would they all be leaving prior to Vista's launch?

    Same reason so many people bailed out of Apple once the scope of the Copland disaster was realized. This was before Apple started talking to NeXT or Be, and it was pretty clear that having Apple on your resume would Not Be a Good Thing once it all hit the fan.

    -jcr

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    The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
  6. Re:sinking ship? by BasilBrush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or in this case fired. Monday morning being quoted in press releases, scheduled to be in a press briefing ion the afternoon. Monday afternoon escorted from the building. A senior exec with 13 years service. Must have been a very sudden decision, Friday is the traditional day for premeditated firing.

  7. Re:sinking ship? by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Insightful
    but these other guys seem to be in rather important roles ("head blogger," "exec responsible for Google competition," etc)

    I fear for my children's future when I read that "head blogger" is an important role anywhere, let alone a company of Microsoft's size.

    I'm not saying that is isn't, just that I fear...



    I tremble...

  8. While it would be comparing apples and oranges... by expro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    these people truly think they are doing the right thing. They are not inherently evil, even if their actions end up seeming that way. In the end it is a skewed view of the individual, not someone being actively evil.

    At the risk of calling out the Godwin Nazis, Hitler and Sadaam also truly thought they were doing the right thing for their respective countries and were honestly not trying to be evil, but were trying to be a savior for their respective peoples. Anyone who knew them personally knows that.

    It is amazing how many people don't understand this basic thing, that no successful leader considers himself evil, but sincerely considers his opponents evil, i.e. the caricatures of the Jews in the case of Hitler, etc., as the source of all evil. And there is some logic that can be used to justify any such demonization. It is spin leading to polarization, which is what makes the world go around and often becomes the excuse for ignoring one's own supposed ethics and morals.

    One of Gate's villified enemies (I can name a series of others) was so-called software piracy, which he more than anyone else has made into a crime more than it ever was before. As much credit as the uninformed give him for progress in computers, this has destroyed growth and freedom that would have come otherwise. Could Unix have emerged under the current copyright regime? Operating systems would have been built for commodotized hardware one way or the other, but it was one more degree of freedom lost that is now hard to recover from under his shadow.

  9. The appropriate cliche by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Big shake-up going on at Microsoft. I wonder if this is related to Limbo Longhorn, or if something else is in the works. Change in direction, maybe?

    The appropriate cliche is "rats leaving a sinking ship"

    In this case, it is well in advance of Vista shipping, so maybe it is more like a game of catch by the three stooges tossing around a hand granade. Somebody gets left holding on to the booby prize when it the spam hits the wall, so to speak.

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  10. Re:Interesting... by serutan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Big shake-up going on at Microsoft. I wonder if this is related to Limbo Longhorn, or if something else is in the works. Change in direction, maybe?

    It's not even a small shakeup. Microsoft's upper management people are simply getting to the age where they want to retire. Techies tend to retire at a lot younger age, as soon as they make their first $million. People who go into management tend to be looking for a bigger fortune and stick around longer, but even they quit eventually. There are likely to be a number of high-tech big-shots retiring in this decade. It's a non-event.