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2006 Software War Map between FOSS and Microsoft

Ant writes "Neatorama mentions Steven Hilton's Software War Map that depicts "the epic struggle of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) against the Empire of Microsoft. It was updated in 2006."

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  1. Parody is fair use of trademarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just read that over at Groklaw yesterday in Pamela's lesson on statutory defenses.

  2. Re:It's pretty by Matt+Perry · · Score: 4, Informative
    this map is illegal due to copyright infringement of the Mozilla logos, since they're trademarked.
    Trademarks and copyright are not the same thing. They are two different areas of law that have nothing to do with each other. Also, the map has text at the top that says that "All trademarks are property of their respective owners." I'm not a lawyer but that appears to be no different than the trademarks I see in disclaimers on ads in print.
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  3. I don't think that I agree... by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...with pitting Windows XP against all of the UNIces and other Network Operating Systems. I mean, HPUX really isn't tailored to end users, and Windows XP isn't a server-grade OS. Windows Server 2003 is at least marketted to servers...

    I was expecting something more like the Eric Levenez's UNIX Timeline.

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  4. Re:Might be time to remove SGI... by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 4, Informative

    No - a Chapter 11 bankruptcy is explicitly for reorganization not for dissolution. Although it certainly isn't the best thing that can happen to a company, it can actually be a positive since it can allow them to shed some debt that would have otherwise forced the company to completely shut down.

  5. Re:I don't know... by TedTschopp · · Score: 3, Informative

    OpenGL and DirectX are in the bottom left corner.

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  6. Re:It is a Good Map by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 2, Informative

    Digital music players, high-end graphics/visualization systems, search engines.

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  7. Re:Just Wait till Vista by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, that's already happening. According to Paul Thurrott http://www.winsupersite.com/, the foremost reason for BSODs and system hangs on Windows Vista Beta 2 is the installation and use of Microsoft Office 2007 Beta 2 and Windows Live Messenger Beta 2.

  8. Re:Mono and .Net by Matt+Perry · · Score: 2, Informative
    I should clarify first that I'm talking about everything below in the context of where things are placed on the map that the article links to. The core of my argument is that Mono needs to be placed elsewhere on the map, maybe in the Novell front lines. It shouldn't be in the Free Software front lines on the map.

    I think linvir meant "Pardon my bias, which is thinly veiled, poorly."

    Does that help?


    Not really. It's still oblique wording that doesn't communicate well what he was he's trying to say. It insinuates that I was attemping to be dishonest or evasive. I found his statement to be unclear and I was hoping he would respond and be blunt and clear about what he meant. The reference to Wikipedia did answer all my questions though.

    Everyone has biases. I wasn't attempting to hide or veil anything. I was truly speaking from a position of ignorance. I'm not a professional programmer. My day to day programming experiences are limited more to writing the occasional shell and Perl scripts. Consequently I don't keep up with what is going on in the world of programming languages and professional software development.

    That facts as I understood them was that, at the moment, .Net is one of MS crown jewels. Mono reimplements .Net technologies. From that I remember MS talking about how they may use their patents against Linux and other open source projects. I see Mono as something that could potentially antagonize them greatly. If MS decides to sue the Mono developers and succeeds in having the project shut down, then what would be the result for all of those developers using Mono? More to mhy point, related to the map that is linked to in the story, what effect would it have on free software?

    Mono allows a lot of things to run on Free software platforms.

    So does Java. But it's not in the front lines of the Free Software encounter at the top right of the map which makes sense.

    You chose to ignore this in favour of a vague appeal to untested patent problems.

    Specifically, my objection is to putting Mono in the Free Software camp on the map that the article links to. Because of the risk of attack from Microsoft for the reasons stated above, it has a higher chance of backfiring on Free Software rather than being a solid front-line defense. It would be better to put Mono in the Novell camp, since they are supporting it and pushing it forward.

    Many people would see this as bias masquerading as insightfulness.

    I didn't moderate my post. You'll have to take that up with those that did.

    Also, you're kinda defensive.

    What gave you that impression?
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  9. Re:War? Epic struggle? Get over yourselves. by Xtifr · · Score: 3, Informative

    I agree with you, this is stupid. But it was Microsoft who declared this a war. So if you're going to blame someone for being stupid, at least blame the right party.

    I would love to continue to use the "tools best suited for the task at hand". Unfortunately, in many cases, Microsoft has, or is trying to, drive the "tools best suited" out of the market. No FLOSS developer has ever tried to prevent me from using MS tools (in fact, many bend over backwards to provide compatibility with MS), but MS is trying to deny me the option of using any other tools, FLOSS or not.

    The real war is between Microsoft and the free market, and in that war, I am solidly on the side of the free market.

  10. but MS invented AJAX.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


    How clueless is everyone here! MS had access to AJAX (httpXMLRequest object) since IE4, well before other browsers...

    In typical MS style - they had the tools, but never really had a good use for them - so AJAX was not AJAX until Google make it popular... - They should have written a kick-ass OWA in AJAX for the masses...

  11. Re:I don't know... by PeeCee · · Score: 5, Informative
    but Visual Studio 2005 is without comparison. Eclipse is stone age compared to Visual Studio.

    Whaat?? As a full time Visual Studio developer (no zealotry here), I find that 2005 is far superior to previous incarnations(*), and quite decent in its own right, but it doesn't hold a candle to Eclipse. Note that I'm talking about the "native" VS-C# vs Eclipse-Java development here, because obviously both (especially Eclipse) are capable of a lot more.

    VS 2005 only just incorporated refactoring support, and it's still pretty limited. It also catches a lot fewer errors (helped by the fact that Eclipse background-compiles your code all the time), and doesn't have half as many smart code-completion features (yeah, it has plenty of "dumb" completions, but Eclipse sometimes feels like it can pretty much write all your code on its own while you just wish it into existence).

    That said, I find two big advantages to VS2005: its learning curve is a lot less steep (remember the first time you actually tried to run your program in Eclipse?), and its GUI (WinForms) editor is very simple+powerful (as long as you don't want to dig too much inside the code it generates).

    But seriously, I'm interested: What do you find is so much better in VS2005 than Eclipse?

    (*) Note: VS2005 is pretty cool when it works. Aside from Windows ME, it has got to be one of the buggiest pieces of software ever to come out of Redmond. In the past 8 months I have bumped into innumerable problems all around: the IDE, C++ and C# compilers, libraries... you can tell they rushed it out the door. I had found plenty of bugs in MS development tools before, but never so many in such a short timespan. Also, it's bloated, but I guess when comparing it to Eclipse that doesn't count :)

  12. Suing Public Schools by twitter · · Score: 2, Informative
    One of my biggest stalking fans, the AC, asks:

    your kid's school (BSA) Please provide proof of this. Thanks.

    That's funny because I love to point out how the non free software way is anti-social by pointing to just that. Yes, the BSA has sued public schools for copying text editors. The dumb ass administration handed worker bees M$ Word Docs without purchasing Word for them. The BSA set up exam time ambushes, which cost everyone tons of money and heartache. The same threat is still held over every public school, just like any other place people use non free software. The suits are public record and articles like this one are easy to find.

    Your Welcome

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