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Dueling Network Neutrality Commentary on NPR

cube farmer writes Wednesday National Public Radio featured a commentary by telecom representative Scott Cleland in opposition to Network Neutrality legislation. Thursday Craig Newmark, the Craig behind craigslist, countered that Network Neutrality is essential for consumers. Who made the stronger case?

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  1. How About Wharton's Case? by geoffrobinson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/index.cfm?fa=vi ewfeature&id=1497

    Lawmakers don't know enough technically to make a law that wouldn't have unforeseen and damaging consequences, even if they supported net neutrality.

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  2. From Cleland's commentary by LochNess · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, net neutrality is really a misnomer. It's really just special interest legislation, dressed up to sound less self-serving. Did you know Microsoft, Google and Yahoo are lobbying for net neutrality? If they're successful, they'll get a special, low-government-set price for the bandwidth they use, while everyone else -- consumers, businesses and government -- will have to pay a competitive price for bandwidth. [It] doesn't sound very neutral to me.

    This guy deserves some sort of prize for shameless, bald-faced lying.

    1. Re:From Cleland's commentary by SQL+Error · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wasn't particularly fussed about net neutrality. If the carriers think they can get away charging more, let them try it. I'm far from convinced that government intervention is going to improve things.

      But if the carriers are promoting this type of self-serving bullshit, then they've pushed me into the enemy camp. Let them rot.

    2. Re:From Cleland's commentary by Sunny7L · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Cleland's commentary sounds completely made up, if not slightly delusional. As if Google, Microsoft and Yahoo send the same chills down your spine as AT&T and Comcast.

      How does net neutrality translate into government surveillance? This sounds like someone trying to mottle the issue. Why lie unless your view is faulty?

      He's totally misrepresenting the issue, as though publishers are trying to get a free pass while in reality all they're trying to do is avoid being double charged for simply existing--providing the very services that lure us to the Internet.

      The whole issue is rather or not the telecoms should be allowed to charge web publishers for access to their subscribers (who already pay $40-50+ for their service).

      There was a time when ISPs were seen as gateways to the Internet. Now they want to redefine themselves as stewards. I think they need a reality check. If it wasn't for those big name publishers few of us would have any interest in the Internet.

      Perhaps Google and Yahoo should start charging them? (Regardless of the outcome.) They certainly have the influence. How many would stay with a provider if they couldn't get to their favorite websites?

  3. Craig. And Tim Berners-Lee. And Vint Cerf. And... by Liza · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I blogged about this yesterday (http://lizawashere.typepad.com/liza_was_here/2006 /06/net_neutrality_.html), but in a nutshell, when a group of incredibly smart people like Tim Berners-Lee, Vint Cerf, Gigi Sohn, Larry Lessig, Danny Wietzner, Susan Crawford, and others all agree...

    AND they are joined by groups as diverse as Consumers Union, Gun Owners of America, Feminist Majority Foundation, the Christian Coalition, and MoveOn.org...

    AND they're opposed by traditional telcos and cable companies...

    Who do you think is right?

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  4. My favorite part by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...was when the telcom shill tried to make it seem like neutrality would be harming the ISPs, when in truth it would only harm their ability to extort money from internet based services.

    ISPs already get money for bandwidth usage from sites they host AND their CUSTOMERS. How much more can they go for with a straight face?

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  5. Re:keep it neutral by Intron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's one of the logical fallacies to present two sides to a question that has more than two answers. Federal regulation requiring net neutrality vs. Telcos charging certain users more. Other options could include, for example, telcos can charge what they want but lose their monopoly on providing service. They would have to provide access to the home for any competitor on their wires at a rate no higher than they charge to their own internet business.

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  6. Re:NPR??? by ivan256 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm shocked that NPR aired this. I understand giving airing sides of an argument, but this is nothing but lies.

    NPR's segments like this (they have one every few weeks) always have one (or both) sides lying out their ass. You probably just noticed this time because you actually have a deep understanding of the issue. I listen to NPR news pretty much constantly, and I'm frequently bothered by what they try to pass as 'balance'. They go so far out of their way to present 'both sides' of an issue that they frequently fail to realize that one side is either completely full of crap, or a total crackpot.

    Perhaps they think that airing this guy's lies will let people see that he's full of it... But I don't think enough people are knowledgeable enough about the subject to realize it.

  7. improve? by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Improve things? We're just trying to keep things from getting worse!

    "Damage control" describes most of my political action lately - I generally fancy myself as a progressive, bleeding heart left liberal (yes there's a bit of sarcasm in there for some of you), but lately I have found myself feeling like a bit of a short-term regressivist - I would like to turn back the political clock to September 10, 2001. Ironically, I would consider this "progress."

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  8. Re:keep it neutral by qkslvrwolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree with your point almost entirely...especially in that content providers are the only reason anyone wants internet anyway, so they are already doing their part for the ecosystem.

    I disagree with two points. Local loop competition has everything to do with network neutrality, because if we had real competition for every house's internet, then no one would have the ability to make ridiculous business decisions like a "tiered internet" or whatever bullshit they're trying to market this week because they would HAVE NO CUSTOMERS. If people had real options for getting internet, this wouldn't even be talked about because people would just switch to a service that didn't degrade their favorite content in favor of some proprietary bullshit.

    Secondly, its "paid", not payed. Just FYI. ;-)

    In addition to your points, I also want to make sure that everyone is clear: When you buy internet, whether you a content provider or consumer, you are paying for END to END connections...not for a connection to your ISP's gateway. Therefore, this ought to be illegal just based on contract violation...

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