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Online Music Brings New Life To Old Music

Rick Zeman writes to tell us The Washington Post has a look at how online music has helped to revitalize eclectic or out of print music. From the article: " Because the Internet has changed how people discover and share music, the rules of marketing it and the hierarchy of who determines what's hot have also changed. As radio-music listenership declines, the industry finds itself spending more time courting a broader field of tastemakers who, through Web sites, are popularizing songs that never get radio play. The primary tool in this transition is the playlist -- a sequence of tracks posted on blogs or shared on music purchase sites such as iTunes. Not just that, but also 'about 2,700 albums have been brought back through the Vault, with more than 5,000 scheduled to follow' with those albums not having enough demand to justify another printing."

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  1. How much "demand" does it take? by khasim · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Not just that, but also 'about 2,700 albums have been brought back through the Vault, with more than 5,000 scheduled to follow' with those albums not having enough demand to justify another printing.

    Just how much "demand" does it take?

    You'd offer them for sale, on-line. There's no distribution costs.

    And you wouldn't even need to keep them in stock. Just charge enough to cover printing the inserts and burning the CD. All of the costs are passed on to the buyer. It's pure profit. The "advertising" would be done by the "blogs" mentioned.
    1. Re:How much "demand" does it take? by anagama · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If I'm going to buy a CD, I want it pressed not burned. Any self respecting slashdotter should know that burnable media have a lousy shelf life. Secondly, it would cost a hell of a lot to sell custom prints. You have to pay someone to burn the disks, print the insert, cut it out, fold it, take the jewel case apart, put it in correctly, address the envelope, apply postage and take it to the post office. A custom burn job like this would be very expensive compared even to the inflated cost of commercial discs. Add to that the big question mark regarding shelf life, and you have a business sure to cost its investors money. Digital distribitution makes much more sense: miniscule labor cost, no worries about angry customers coming back in 5 years raising holy hell about their dead discs.

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  2. Soviet music by T.Hobbes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A great site I found a couple of years ago is http://english.sovmusic.ru/ . It's got thousands of mp3s taken from Soviet LPs and such, going back to the 1930s. Really amazing stuff. And it's run by a communist with a real to-each-according-to-his-need point of view, so everything there is free to download.

    If you want an idea of the mentality in Russa after the fascists attacked, listen to this:
    http://www.sovmusic.ru/english/download.php?fname= saintwar

  3. Bluebeat's "TimeMachine" playlists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Check out bluebeat. It's the best music service nobody every heard of for depth of catalog.
    It has all the music from 1910 wax cylinder recordings, 1920 and 30's delta blues, ragtime etc. up to the most current hits. Best of all its currently free. (Free for windows users that is.) At 320k it's something you do want to hook up to your stereo. Anybody found anything that comes even close?

  4. brings life to obscure music with COVER songs, too by linuxbaby · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Those interested in this subject might want to read an essay I wrote about COVER SONGS in Digital Distribution.

    SHORT VERSION: My company is one of the back-end providers of music to Apple iTunes, EMusic, Rhapsody, and all the other digital music services. But we sell/distribute ONLY independent music directly from the artists - no record labels.

    When our sales reports started coming back from Apple, I was stumped. They were artists I had never heard of. I assumed it would be our top-sellers in the physical-CD world, but instead we had artists who had only sold 2 CDs, ever, selling $5000 in downloads.

    It took a lot of research, but I figured it out : all of the top-selling albums in the digital music services were albums with cover songs. Often selling their full-album if they had even one cover song on it, which means that strangers were finding them because of that cover song, then liking their original music so much they bought the whole thing.

    I'm advising all musicians I know to include one good creative (not-too-covered, not-too-obscure) cover song on their future albums, to help call attention to it in this song-based search world.

  5. The Biggest Jukebox Ever by Quirk · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The web is a venue that can accomodate the entirety of print, recorded music and film (along with facimilies of painting, sculpture and architecture). Before the web the venues were able at best to accomodate a limited slice of any one genre and had to be financially supported or make a profit.

    As a first step to experiencing this universal availability the purveyors of the various works will pay sites that manage to attract a profitable slice of people seeking to experience a new (or old) genre.These 'cool people' who act as conduits to rediscovered works should be pushed aside when search engines can easily provide stepping stones from work/artist to another. For example there are major works by J. Hydan, Mozart and Beethoven that each draw on the same musical source, (I believe it's Mozart's 40th, Beethoven's 5th and a source work from Hydan I can't immediately recall). Once the web is in full swing a neophyte to any genre will be able to hop, skip and jump through the various tenuous associated works with an ease that unthinkable before the web.

    I've posted in the past that the best way to circumvent the attacks of copyright holders on the open imaginative playground that is the web is to float on the web the entirety of folklore in terms of folk music and folktales that would present an ocean of prior art from which most modern works have drawn their inspriation.

    The web in a way becomes the framework for players of Das Glasperlenspiel.

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  6. Preserving DIY punk....... by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most people DON'T realize that punk (no I don't mean Green Day.. think SST records, anything through Blacklist Mailorder from MRR...etc) a lot of music was/is only available on 7 inch vinyl. Because the young uns today don't know what a reecord is.. (it's what we all listened to before CDs).

    Digitizing this stuff in not only a way to preserve it but to also turn the kids on what started a lot today's great bands because today's kids always need edumacatin' about music. (Well every generation does in it's time)

  7. Re:Yet new bands do this all the time. by bladesjester · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In the case of the local band, they only have a few different albums (if they even have more than one). This means that they don't have to hedge their bets on which albums are going to sell and which aren't. Add to this the fact that the band can be reasonably sure that the people buying the discs at their shows were there to hear that band play in the first place.

    It really doesn't compare.

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  8. Re:Yet new bands do this all the time. by caffiend2049 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It could easily be feasible on a "tipping point" system. As soon as that 100th copy is ordered, the lot is pressed and shipped out. Consumers could then provide further advertising by lobbying their contacts to also order the album knowing they would only get theirs when 100 copies have been ordered. In a global market place, 100 copies of a release is nothing...a drop. And yet, knowing all these will be purchased results in zero risk of recoup for the manufacturer/distributer.

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  9. Re:brings life to obscure music with COVER songs, by The+Blue+Meanie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm advising all musicians I know to include one good creative (not-too-covered, not-too-obscure) cover song on their future albums, to help call attention to it in this song-based search world.

    This is VERY good advice. I bought The Ataris' So Long, Astoria *specifically* because of the well-done cover of Don Henley's "Boys of Summer" it had. Turns out the rest of the album was pretty good, and it remains planted on my playlist (after the requisite ripping to 320K .mp3, of course).

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  10. I think a market is the way by caffiend2049 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's my opinion that every song ever recorded should be available via digital distribution. The main thing keeping this from happening is that it is virtually impossible to get all the companies that own the majority of rights to recordings to come to an agreement on anything. Although I have no solution to that particular fiasco, I think a great way to price things would be on with a sliding scale that puts a premium on popularity. A good part of the revenue from current downloads is from the top couple hundred most popular. Now if the cost of those was pushed up to $2-3, it would allow for download of more obscure tunes for pennies. Thos out-of-print, "unpopular" songs cannot support premium pricing; but, seeing as they are unavailable in stores, (not profitable enough to waste the shelf space) ANY income that they do generate is purely gravy. Now if a particular song experiences a resurgence based on new attention, this upswing in popularity would be reason enough to bump it into a higher cost bracket. Now maybe it costs $.25 to buy instead of $.05. Prices could be adjusted weekly (or some other increment) with the most popular song costing maybe $3-4 and the least being like $.05. I think this would be a huge incentive to legally download songs and the owners would make scads more money than they already do. It could also be interesting how playing the market might develop wherein there would be runs on songs to drive up the price, hedging that you could get a song cheaper in a week or two, and all the other fun stuff that comes from dealing in a regulated market.

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  11. 2700 records? by Nybble's+Byte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have far more than that number in my personal collection and don't plan to stop buying vinyl any time in the foreseeable future. There's just too much good music out there. And another 5000 albums they're going to add still doesn't scratch the surface (pun intended) as to what's available. And guess what, LPs continue to sell reasonably well even though it's a niche market, while CD sales have dropped. There is always a demand for quality, and MP3s are just the opposite. Back in the early 80s the CD was supposed to be 'perfect sound forever', and we know all too well that's not true, otherwise DVD-A and SACD wouldn't exist.

  12. Re:The future by MsGeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actually if you go to Archive.Org the entire collection of the Edison National Historic Site is available for guilt-free 100% free download. When the Cartoon Geeks Podcast was looking for theme music, I went there and found the song that we're now using, Sensation Jazz by the Jazz All Stars. It was recorded in 1919 for Edison, and features the xylophonist who later would go on to play on Disney's first sound cartoon, Steamboat Willie, and the later Disney classic The Skeleton Dance.

    Also, when I had clearance problems for a song I wanted to use for a video I put up on You Tube, I replaced it with another piece from the Edison collection, a version of "Ride of the Valkyries" done by the Edison Symphony Orchestra. Again, found on Archive.Org.

    It is ironic these recordings are now in the public domain, because Hollywood was founded on an intellectual property dispute. The dispute was between Thomas Edison and the Motion Picture Patents Trust and people like Carl Laemmle and Cecil B. DeMille who didn't want to pay the toll Edison wanted to extract on his invention. Edison probably would have loved the current IP climate, and would probably be a big supporter of the MPAA and RIAA.

    Archive.Org is an amazing place.

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  13. another prophesy comes to pass by offaxis · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gibson touched on this issue (the diminishing temporal correlation between artists and their fan-base) in his 1996 novel, Idoru.

  14. Re:Failure to adapt. by King_TJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah, except the unfortunate reality seems to be, the "general public" doesn't seem to REALLY want as much variety as they pay lip-service to wanting.

    Don't believe me? Try a little experiment sometime. Ask someone if they're "tired of hearing the same old music over and over" on the radio. 10 to 1 says they'll say "Hell yeah!" Then, ask them if they can name 20 or 30 bands (or even songs!) that they wish their favorite station would add to their playlist.

    My guess is, most people will be able to name maybe 3-5 and then draw a blank... or else their list will consist of music very similar to what's already being played. (In some cases, they'll name a lot of songs or artists that the station already played in the past, but just sort of let slide off their playlist in recent years due to dwindling popularity.)

    We had a classic rock station here in town that did something pretty unique... They turned control over to the DJs to play *anything* they wanted to play, as long as it fit in the overall format. (Basically, it was a last ditch attempt by management to turn the station around, since they were getting killed in ratings by a long-standing classic rock competitor just past them on the FM dial.) They started playing a LOT of obscure stuff, including stacks of old LPs that one of the DJs said he was bringing in from his large personal record collection, and from albums dug out of his parents' attic. Within a year or so, they were bought out and now they play mainstream country music. People just didn't stay tuned-in when they flipped through stations and heard totally unfamiliar music.

    By contrast, we've got a hip-hop station here that I swear only plays, at most, 10 different songs at a time. Nonetheless, a LOT of people have that garbage cranked up on their car and home stereos all over town. Even my g/f listens to it. I can't figure out how someone can't get sick and tired of the same few songs in endless rotation - but I guess they just don't leave the radio on for long periods of time at once. There almost seems to be a certain comfort in knowing they can flip to the station and hear exactly the small set of songs they expect to hear from it.

  15. Quality over Quantity by sciencecneisc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As much as I want access to new classics to discover I dread re-buying my cassettes in DRM'ed low bitrate lossy files. Normal Apple Lossless files are all I ask...I'm already intrigued but I have no interest in ever buying this material again and there's no reason in the world why I need to accept lower quality when much better is possible (they are indeed using the source materials many times when converting these files).

    1. Re:Quality over Quantity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I always find this argument amusing. You do realize that even a 128kbps mp3 file has better dynamic range than a cassette tape moving at 1-7/8 inches per second, right? Next I'm sure you'll bring up the artifacting that can happen with mp3 encoding. If the signal is properly lowpass filtered, then you won't get any of the harsh sound in the high end. What most people don't realize is that tracks are mastered once for CD, again for tape, and then again for vinyl, each time taking the characteristics of the medium into account.

  16. USB Turntable is now available by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    As a music lover and a computer geek, you'll be happy to know that Numark's recently come out with a Turntable with USB interface. It's a bit pricey at $300US, but you can get it at Musician's Friend for $170. Still to expensive for me, but that's mostly because I'm broke.

    Besides, my local Guitar Center (same store, different name) requires me to give my address and phone if I want to use my debit card (for "security reasons"... yeah, right).

    I also don't know how Linux compatible it is. It ships with a free copy of Audacity... A bit redundant, since Audacity's free software anyway.

    Ah, well... I guess I'll have to borrow a friend's turntable and go direct to my audio card.

  17. You are looking at it all wrong. by twitter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the "general public" doesn't seem to REALLY want as much variety as they pay lip-service to wanting. ... , ask [a friend] if they can name 20 or 30 bands (or even songs!) that they wish their favorite station would add to their playlist. My guess is, most people will be able to name maybe 3-5 and then draw a blank... or else their list will consist of music very similar to what's already being played.

    The poor service your friends receive is not indicate narrow tastes. You can't discover what you like if you are never exposed to it and the way the RIAA world works, you will never be exposed to much outside a few "target" audience cities. To really get a feel for how broad people's tastes are, you have to understand what's wrong and what others have done to fix the problem. The way you are looking at it is insulting and does your friends a big disservice.

    First, why radio music sucks so hard. The RIAA charges so much for the few songs they let radio stations play that the average station can only have a thousand or two songs on hand, and they have to be vetted carefully. How are they vetted? From sales in "target" cities. Most radio stations won't take any risks with anything but sales prooven music. Notice the catch was the high price to begin with. Between the $500,000 FCC license fee and RIAA music fee's the broadcaster does not have much choice either. As downhill battle points out, the money is NOT going to the artists. Yeah, the result can narrow your friends music tastes - appreciation comes from experience and the rude are well .... rude.

    Now what's been done that's different? Plenty! and that's what the article is all about, though they seem to have forgotten all about the pioneers. Exposure is easy when you share your playlists. Napster, MP3.com and anyone who got into online content distribution in the 90's understood this. People's tastes are much much broader than the old RIAA model could ever support - that's why they killed all the early music services and are desperate to take over the entire internet and your personal computer. Decentralized distribution will put power and money back into artist's hands and local labels. The Big Three Music Publishers are fighting for their lives.

    Don't believe that people's tastes really broaden when they are given choices and guidance? Ask the people at net flicks how many of the entire 60,000 DVD library is rented out on any given day. Think 1,000? You are off by factor of three ... and an order magnitude. That's right, more than half of the catalog is rented every day! People's demand for variety is something physical distribution can not keep up with.

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  18. Re:WTF? by kubrick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey, it's an interesting archive of historical documents. Although I don't agree with the politics, I still find this sort of stuff fascinating...

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  19. Re:brings life to obscure music with COVER songs, by cei · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Too bad CD Baby won't take care of the accounting when it comes to cover songs. Last time I checked the Harry Fox Agency wanted monthly statements for online sales of covers. This can be a pain in the ass for the small band who doesn't have someone doing their books full-time. Pressing discs and paying royalties is easy--make a thousand discs, pay $X to Harry Fox up front and you're covered for those discs. CD Baby is doing a great job of getting discs out there, and I think the idea of them being the middleman with the online distributors is good too. But the actual mechanics necessary to play by the books with the accountants and lawyers when it comes to distribution of covers still needs a lot of work.

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  20. The Long Tail (or why the RIAA is nuts..) by adam872 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Chris Anderson of Wired magazine describes this as the "Long Tail Effect", where the availability of search engines and easy means to get at obscure material, be it music, books or whatever, opens up previously unavailable markets. He's even written a book about it. It just baffles me why the RIAA and MPAA have pursued the policies they have in terms of very aggressive enforcement against end users, when the technologies these people use have actually led to independent and obscure artists getting more exposure! I am 100% in favour of the artists getting paid for their work, but perhaps it's time for the old media companies to address their business models and move with the times?

    If they want go after someone, go after the pirated media industry in Asia. I live in SE Asia and I can tell you that it's harder to get a legal copy of a DVD or CD than it is an illegal one. That's arse backwards. They could start by making iTunes and their competitors available here. That might make a difference. And perhaps pressuring the governments to better enforce IP and copyright law (that they have signed international treaties on).

    1. Re:The Long Tail (or why the RIAA is nuts..) by Etobian · · Score: 2, Interesting

      RIAA is enforcing against end users for the same reason it wants internet streaming stopped and satellite radio sharply curtailed in what it can offer: RIAA fears the fragmentization of its marketplace that is going on. In their ideal world, the listener's only way of hearing new music is through the FM outlets that they're able to keep in line. Then they can focus their marketing on a handful of CDs that would sell in the millions. But now, people are finding out there's more out there than the pablum that they have been force fed. People are buying the same number of CDs as before, but there are fewer blockbuster hits. How do you market 10,000 different CDs when before you only had to market 10 or 20?

  21. "Out of print" is a perversion of copyright anyway by koreth · · Score: 5, Interesting
    With the exception of those few cases where an author has decided to pull a work from production, the whole concept of something being "out of print" is, to my thinking, something of an abuse of the legal monopoly of copyright protection, especially given the greater-than-a-human-lifetime spans of copyrights these days. A piece of music will typically go out of print after only a small percentage of its copyright period, and for the rest of that period, neither the original creator nor the public can get any value out of it. Not because both sides don't want to, but because they have no way to do so after rights have been signed over to a publisher.

    The whole "orphaned works" problem is a special case of this phenomenon.

    It also encourages piracy. A few weeks ago I was looking for a particular piece of foreign music from the early 90s. I searched lots of stores, both used and new, for a copy of the album in question. A few stores had it in their listings but, you guessed it, "out of print." I wasted hours looking for a legitimate copy of the music. Then I went to a pirate MP3 search engine and found it within minutes. If there were some way for me to buy it, I would. (I have no good way of tracking down the artist to send her a small payment.) I was fully ready to pay import CD prices to get it. And if it should come back into print at some point, I will buy it. Meanwhile, I get to enjoy it thanks to piracy.

    Now, I'm sure someone will tell me how I'm robbing the artist here, getting a copy of her song without her permission -- but do you honestly think most out-of-print musicians say, "I'm so glad nobody can get my music any more! When I signed that contract for my album I really hoped the publisher would stop selling it some day. I'd rather nobody listen to my old music than someone listen to it when there's no way for them to pay me."