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$5 Social Wi-Fi Router

slashjunkie writes "BBC News is running a story about the Spanish firm Fon, selling subsidized Linksys WRT54GL Wi-Fi routers for $5, in exchange for the buyer agreeing to a 12 month contract of providing access to other Fon users within range. With the financial backing of Google and Skype, their goal is to create Wi-Fi networks, street by street, across Europe and the US. Buyers of the subsidized routers can classify themselves as 'Linuses', whereby they also get free access to all other Fon hotspots, or 'Bills', where they receive 50% of the revenue made by on-selling their Wi-Fi to other Fon users. 'Alien' users can buy 24-hour passes for 3 Euro. To deter misuse, all Fon users must identify themselves by a username and password before they can access the hotspot. As long as the owner's personal LAN is not accessible, this could be a good way to offset the costs of the average geek's bandwidth bill."

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  1. So what? by denebian+devil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Routers are so cheap nowadays (I got my wifi router a few years ago for $25, and wired routers regularly go for $5 or $10), why would you want to get one just a tad bit cheaper for the "privilege" of sharing it with others?

    1. Re:So what? by dissolved · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're not that cheap everywhere... check out eBuyer (www.ebuyer.co.uk). I paid about $80 or so for mine in the UK.

    2. Re:So what? by shawb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because you also get the privelege of using the router of anyone else who has the service. Assuming wide enough adoption, this would mean you could use Wi-Fi pretty much anywhere. Not very useful for me right now as I don't have a laptop (and not to mention it's probably not widespread enough.) I can, however, see that in the future this would be extremely convienient. Especially if we are able to figure out an alternative I/O to the standard mouse/keyboard/screen model that would take up much smaller real estate than a laptop... basically access to the internet's information wherever you go. I can see why the company is trying to get entrenched in this business early... it will be the future of communications. The question is whether this particular company will be around long enough to reap the fruit of it's labor.

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    3. Re:So what? by truthsearch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would there be people camped outside your house if the whole point of the project is to get wi-fi coverage over very large areas?

    4. Re:So what? by fistfullast33l · · Score: 4, Informative

      From their "shop":

      Remember that you must register your router and keep it on at all times. This great low price helps us build the FON Community. Therefore, we will apply a $/€ 45 surcharge on all routers that have not been registered within 30 days of having made the purchase

      So if you buy the router and don't activate it, they'll charge you $45 or €45 depending on where you live? It isn't really clear which value they go by, but I imagine it depends on what currency you used to purchase it. Personally, I think it's better for them to charge a flat €45 since it's worth almost 1.5 times the dollar at this point.

    5. Re:So what? by phillips321 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I dont like this idea at all. What if me and my neighbour both have this service? I use my connection for normal usage and connect to his on another computer when i wish to do bandwidth hogging P2P, consequently my browsing recieves no slow down, yet his does....

      What if another memeber of this services uses my WiFi AP to connect to kiddie porn?

      A few days later, a few knocks on my door.......

    6. Re:So what? by tinkerghost · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Especially if we are able to figure out an alternative I/O to the standard mouse/keyboard/screen model that would take up much smaller real estate than a laptop.
      Well for the whole keyboard/mouse issue you can fall back to a Chorded keyboard'. Figure a trackball sized pad strapped on your hip for one handed operation.(no, the other hand is not for that)
      For the display you could always try a head mounted display. The one pictured in the wiki is for stereo gaming, but they also make them to display on a single eyepiece.
    7. Re:So what? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're missing the Big Picture: once there is a nationwide mesh network of these things, Google will light up their dark fiber backbone and link all of these babies up. Then, with their bandwith needs met, they'll drop their backbone connections and watch as AT&T et. al. flounder helplessly trying to flog their now-hopelessly-overprovisioned goods. Their share prices tank, executives commit suicide, then Google and Amazon swoop in and pick up the remains at fire-sale prices. They then shift back to the more-reliable landlines, but the routers remain, silently blinking, waiting for the next command from the Googleplex...

      MAN, this is good coffee!

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    8. Re:So what? by Da_Weasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then they did so by logging in with their Fon username/pass, and thus the traffic is identifiable so long as some sort of logging takes place.

      BTW, I paid $75 for my wireless router, and I share with anyone that comes with in range. My essid is 'useme'. It's never caused me any problems. You can easily seperate your local network from the subnet that is used for wireless access, or simply setup a firewall between the local network and the AP. There are plenty of ways to protect your local network, although I would hope that this subsidized router would have something like this builtin because most of the people buying them probably won't understand the security issues involved.

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    9. Re:So what? by nuckfuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been noticing ESSID's like "GuestWiFi" around lately but I'm reluctant to use them. It seems to me like anyone asking me to connect is a high risk for man-in-the-middle attacks. There are so many potential ways to abuse this. Most DHCP users also receive DNS server settings. The person who controls what you use for DNS can do lots of interesting things, like sending www.hotmail.com or www.paypal.com to their server with a fake login page that snags your account info.

  2. TOS by ronanbear · · Score: 4, Informative

    Most broadband providers specifically prohibit you from sharing your connection in this manner. If something like this were to become popular they'd just have to start clamping down on it.

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    1. Re:TOS by NekoXP · · Score: 4, Informative

      Speakeasy (www.speakeasy.net) encourage it though, which is ace.

      Although I can't find the page which explains it outside of my account pages (needs login, sigh) you can resell your connection and also sell your neighbours all-new connections, using a plan they have in place.

      This has been there for yeaaars.

    2. Re:TOS by arivanov · · Score: 4, Informative
      Can you imagine 20 users at a coffee shop trying to use WiFi voice at the same time?

      No probs. The 802.11a,b,g family has two different MAC schemes (the idea is stolen from Cable actually).

      There is a random access scheme similar to the ancient ethernet. In that case 20 VOIP users will simply bring the link down by trying to access the media.

      There is also a scheme under which the AP will transmit maps which tell each client when to transmit. I do not have the time to do the exact math at the time, but it should be possible to accommodate 20 VOIP clients using this MAC and leave some breathing space for normal access (not a lot though). The problem is that for this scheme to be usefull the clients must have means of getting reservations from the AP. Tough luck - no such clients out there. Similarly, the AP must have an integrated Layer2-Layer3 filtering mechanism which hooks up straight into MAC and creates transmit maps based on statefull filter context. Once again - tough luck. There is no such AP out there (AFAIK). On top of that while this is in the spec it is hardly in use anywhere so the level of testing clients have is very low. I would expect some of the more cheap and cheerfull clients which do MAC portions in software to be broken with regard to this.

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  3. I'll take one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'll take one and be glad to share. Given that the house sits 700 feet from the nearest road and 5 miles from the nearest town, it might not help the cause much, but what the heck.

  4. Linuses and Bills by should_be_linear · · Score: 5, Funny

    TFA forgets to mention that besides "Linuses" and "Bills" there are also "Jobs" users that have same connection speed like users above, but opted to pay twice as much.

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    1. Re:Linuses and Bills by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
      • Richards allow you to subroute the connection even further, provided you do so in a manner not more restrictive than the one in which you connect;
      • Darls decide that they, in fact, own their next-door neighbour's connection and sue for it;
      • Theos provide a secure, audited connection, don't give a damn what you do with it, and jump down your throat if you can't work out how to use it, dumbass; and
      • Steves look at you sitting near their router, throw a chair out of the window, and threaten to fucking kill you.
    2. Re:Linuses and Bills by twosmokes · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought Steves were the ones who decide that the router would perform better if it were painted white and had more curves.

    3. Re:Linuses and Bills by Linker3000 · · Score: 4, Funny
      • Michaels provide a low-cost solution, but all your requests get routed through Bangalore and when you send an email the reply that comes back bears no relation to the one you sent and you can barely understand the contents
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  5. Co-oping Internet networks the capitalist way by dada21 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a great idea, and one I think will gain a lot of strength as information providers find ways to subsidize lower-cost connections to their services (especially Google). I already co-op with a half dozen of my neighbors to share our Internet bandwidth through WiFi. I don't charge for access, the router is open to all, but it does have a landing page that requests that they pay for what they use. So far our bill is paid about 8 months into the future.

    In our neighborhood we already have 4 high speed internet providers, so competition is fierce but pricing is still fairly high due to local government idiocy (they want all the providers to pay a fee to be allowed to serve the area). We even have 2 medium-speed wireless providers who serve our area too, but they're also a bit expensive due to the village fees (how would the village stop them, though?)

    This is the right step in the direction of providing inexpensive or free bandwidth to everyone. We don't need cities or governments paying for it, we just need the end profit-makers to subsidize the initial cost. Our connection should happily support 50 households (or more) for basic Internet usage, and if they want to use higher speed services, they're more than free to select from one of the providers available. For more, paying $5 a month for a decent 6 Mbps connection is well worth it, even if we frown on Bittorrent or other massive leach programs.

    I've already talked to 3 other people in my neighborhood who are interested in doing the same thing. The plus side is that we communicate better (through a private forum) with each other than I've ever seen in a neighborhood I've lived in. We talk about security issues, odd cars on the streets, and all sorts of issue that people used to think we needed government for.

    I really support these systems and would love to know if there is a way to privately sponsor some of these routers so that they're free, or even sponsor the bandwidth charges of people who offer this service to others through their own connection. Anyone know?

  6. What if by Life700MB · · Score: 4, Insightful


    What if someone uses your 5 euros ( = 6.5 bucks) subsidized router to download kiddie porn, send hate mail to CmdrTaco or skype Bin Laden?

    What do the European laws say about that?


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    1. Re:What if by Library+Spoff · · Score: 5, Informative

      Having only quickly looked at the site this morning... They are either another member of FON, or have paid to use your connection. So surely it's the same if someone did those things at starbucks/McDonalds etc etc

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    2. Re:What if by Aceticon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dunno about the rest, but around here sending hate e-mails to CmdrTaco is considered a social duty

  7. Your target by truthsearch · · Score: 5, Funny

    The WRT54GL is in the mail. Your target is Steve Ballmer. Now GO!

    1. Re:Your target by bcat24 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Somewhere off in Redmond, a shot is fired. It narrowly misses Steve Ballmer, who grabs a chair to deflect it.
      What will happen? Will bcat go down in legend as the glorious killer of Ballmer? Or will he suffer the wrath of Ballmer's WWE-style chair-throwing moves?
      Will Steve f***ing kill Google? And most importantly, will bcat brick his new WRT54GL when he tries to reflash it?

      Tune in next week, same bat time, same bat channel.

  8. For the love of (insert Deity here) RTA b4 comment by dizzy8578 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Try this one if you like a little more info.
    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/275421_goog le27.html

    And Google if you want more.

    The software is available for download if you already have a compatable router.
    The $5 router is new but the warranty is null since the firmware is flashed with the FON version.

    The firmware can split your bw between two ssid's one for FON and the other for private. Since the routers listed can be used with linux in the first place, (even the low ram ones per a Slashdot story from the past) then it is a good guess as to what the firmware is based on.

    The router will indeed FON home (User>pass auth) and the interoperability and potential multipath routing seems inevitable when the density reaches a critical point in a particular area. (yes this is a guess rather than something in the site literature.)

    But it seems like a good deal with little risk to the hot spot provider. The basic access is tracked and limited to users by password whether Linuses, Bills or Aliens.

    ISP's who like to limit their users deserve to feel the slight pain of savvy users leaving for better ISP's.

    I intend to dedicate one of my public IP's to the system and my ISP does not give a rats patoot what I do with is as long as I pay my bill and abuse does not get any valid complaints. I moved from comcast long ago and since my qwest router is bridged from my isp, Qwest has no say in how my bandwidth is used either.

      Of course I live in a city where my wifi detector finds free open signals by the dozens at nearly every traffic light, I suspect some folks here will split off a portion of their BW if there is a potential of making a little money for their service.

    I will become a Linus just to help the concept of universal wi-fi along if only a little bit. I am going to upgrade my wifi net anyway once the N becomes semi standard so I will have 3 FON compat routers to share with the neighborhood while keeping my private network kinda tight.

    But go to the site and read for your self the details of the program.
    http://en.fon.com/info/whats_fon.php

    Then make your own pithy comments here. :)

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  9. Linksys already doing this? by noidentity · · Score: 5, Funny

    "[Fon's] goal is to create Wi-Fi networks, street by street, across Europe and the US"

    Isn't a company called Linksys also doing something like this? They seem to have pretty good coverage these days, and they don't even require a login. I think they may be using a different network topology, though.

  10. Ballmer bashing... by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Indeed. There's more Ballmer bashing than you can shake a chair at.

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  11. Beware of SpeakEasy, they do not necessarily honor by ClioCJS · · Score: 4, Informative
    ...their service contracts, or pre-sales claims.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/clintjcl/76331315/in/ photostream/

    Simply observe the chat above. I tried to make it abundantly clear that I could use 100% of my bandwidth 100% of the time. Within 6 months, after repeated harassment, they gave me an ultimatum: Use less than 100G per month, or be terminated.

    Ultimately I was terminated. A few months later, I finally got $50 back; originally they were trying to charge me the $300 cancellation fee even though it was they who cancelled me, not the other way around.

    In talking with thier esclation director, he admitted that I was having zero impact on network performance.

    And, they say "no bots". And they consider bittorrent a fucking bot, if you'll believe that.

    This was AFTER I installed a scheduler that basically only downloaded at 10% capacity during business hours. That wasn't good enough.

    Buyer beware. SpeakEasy is nothing but another faceless corporation in my eyes. I've returned to the land of Mom-and-Pop ISPs. Silcon.com doesn't have great performance, but they leave me alone.

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