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Spain Adds 'Copyright Tax' to Blank Media

Poker Forums writes "Just read on Zeropaid that Spain has recently voted in compulsory copyright licensing, levying a tax on all blank media. This includes cd-r, dvd-r, flash media, printers, scanners, cell phones, everything. The tax will be collected by the government and 'given to the copyright holder.'"

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  1. Some light by alx5000 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ... given to a my ass...

    The tax will be charged indiscriminately to manufacturers who, according to SGAE (our particular RIAA), are the ones taking advantage of all this """illegal""" copying (private copying for personal use with no money involved is still legal in Spain), and will mostly be given to this same organization. Problem is manufacturers are gonna pass the tax on to customers, and so the cycle of life closes.

    And SGAE, of course, will use the money not to pay the authors, but to spread the word through adoctrination lectures, or to pay for lobbies to bully Brussels, or to cry louder about how bad people is and how poor authors are getting (despite SGAE's doubling benefits every year...).

    The one improvement of this law is that now the tax has to be proportional to the cost of the medium; currently when we buy a DVD+R, the tax is higher than the price of the DVD itself... And stupidity didn't get to add DSL and Cable lines to the list, though they were in the top 10...

    The title should read "Spanish politicians surrender to stupidity" (which wouldn't be so new, either), or sth similar...

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    1. Re:Some light by AvitarX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would hope you get some of the money with your personal photos.

      Seeing as your the copyright holder of the content of the DVD.

      I hope the people wrking on Linux Distros get the pay too, that's what I use my DVD's for.

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    2. Re:Some light by Propaganda13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I thought the same thing when similar taxes in other countries were passed. If I'm paying for it when I buy blank media, shouldn't I be able to download or copy anything I want since I've already paid for it.

  2. wow by PacketScan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They just legalized copyright infringement.

    1. Re:wow by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Informative

      Did the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 have such an effect?
      Theoretically, yes. In practice, no.

      "The AHRA also provides for a royalty tax of up to $8 per new digital recording machine and 3 percent of the price of all digital audiotapes or discs. This tax is paid by the manufacturers of digital media devices and distributed to the copyright owners whose music is presumably being copied. In consideration of this tax, copyright owners agree to forever waive the right to claim copyright infringement against consumers using audio recording devices in their homes."

  3. does that include by josepha48 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    open source and fsf and gnu? If someone buys soem cdr's and burn copies of free software, who gets paid?

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    1. Re:does that include by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm curious to know how the money is divvied up among copyright holders. Is it proportional to the number of copyrights you hold? By what position your song is in the charts? By informal polling? Compulsory reporting of copies? Number of copyrighted characters prominently represented in cosplay? Does that make sense? Ladies and gentlemen, I am not making any sense! None of this makes sense! And so you have to remember, when you're in that jury room deliberatin' and conjugatin' the Emancipation Proclamation, [approaches and softens] does it make sense? No! Ladies and gentlemen of this supposed jury, it does not make sense! If Chewbacca is not the most popular cosplay character, you must acquit! The defense rests.

    2. Re:does that include by m874t232 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm curious to know how the money is divvied up among copyright holders.

      Generally, it's apportioned based on the number of lobbyists each copyright holder pays for, as well as the campaign contributions of copyright holders to current holders of elected office.

  4. okay, then the result should be by yagu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Okay, if laws are in place to fairly compensate the copyright owners by taxing recordable media the offshoot of that should be continued "enjoyment" of what we've come to know as fair use. Ostensibly this tax should cover disbursements back to the artists for any copying and/or sharing consumers do.

    A question from The Fine Article: "Is this an example of what is to come in the United States or other parts of Europe?", isn't this already a tax in place on recordable media in the United States? I seem to remember that a while back, or was it Canada?

    Regardless, the entertainment industry can't have it both ways, they either tax in advance and anticipation of our "abuses", or they implement draconian DRM. Unfortunately it's looking like they're getting both.

    1. Re:okay, then the result should be by NutscrapeSucks · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US does this on blank digital and analog audio tape, IIRC. Media designed for computer storage isn't covered.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AHRA

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  5. New Concept in Capitalism by rolfwind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If your business model can't survive, get the government to legislates mandatory taxes that get passed onto you. I believe this concept is called either Communism (or similiar controlled economy) or Welfare. I don't know which.

    I would have people make copies of my photos/minor_software_project/whatever on CD-R and then sue the Spanish RIAA if they don't send me my portion of payments. It's really odd that they represent ALL copyright holders. Like they represent ALL musicians, even the ones not signed up with RIAA companies. This RIAA racket has to be taken on and bought down in flames like the Hindenburg one day.

  6. What TFA doesn't say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am also a spaniard (too lazy to register, sorry) and I want to add that there are some things that the TFA doesn't mention:

    The new LPI (Ley de Propiedad Intelectual == Intelectual Property Law) establishes a tax over any device capable of holding media (audio or video), such as CD-Rs, DVD-Rs, videotapes... but also iPods and pendrives. The preliminary draft of the law also included a tax over HDs but this was removed from the final draft due to outcry from computer distributors.

    On the other hand, the old LPI (from 1996) forbade the copy of copyrighted content for redistribution to other people, but didn't mention anything about DRM. There was a legal item called "private copy", meaning that you can do one (and only one) copy of your copyrighted content for private use as a backup. Now, according to the new law, not only is specifically illegal to override any DRM scheme: the law also makes illegal the POSSESSION of any program intended for override DRM, such a DVD ripper, or any hardware intended for overriding other 'electronic countermeasures'.

    Many people say that there is a patent contradiction here, since you are paying for a right that you can't actually use.

    Previously, the rationale behind the tax was this 'private copy'. Now, the rationale is to compensate for the losses that the recording companies have when you copy content from one media to another: for example, since you can copy your old videotape movie to a DVD, you are not buying a DVD for a movie you already have; or you are not going to buy a MP3 for your iPod of a song that you already have on CD-audio.

    And, funny thing, we have been paying the tax long before the new law was approved.
    At least now the tax is a percentage of the value of the blank media; according to the previous "canon" (law) the tax was a fixed amount of money that was about a quarter of the blank media value, but since the prices went down and the tax didn't, today the final price of a DVD is 60% tax.
    Also, some people say that since the tax has been extended to CD-DVD burners, you end paying the tax twice-on the media and on the recorder.

    And no, you can't get a refund if you use your CDs to burn non-copyrighted content. For example, the ministry of justice is paying tons of money to the SGAE (think of a fusion RIAA+MPAA+AAP) because a copy of all the judicial proceedings on every court have to be stored in 'electronic form' (CD-r).

    The SGAE, the law's main supporter, says that the final draft is not enough since doesn't include taxes over internet connections, HDs , and "any other format capable of holding or transferring copyrighted content"

    As a side note, one of the SGAE top execs, who also happened to be an artist years ago, had to run out of a rock festival recently because the public was throwing stones at him; this story was mentioned on all news sources in spain, but all of them falied to mention the ultimate reason for the people's hate towards the exec.

  7. FSF and Linus should get tons of money in Spain! by Morgaine · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the SGAE represents *all* copyright holders and collects funds on their behalf, we should expect the FSF (as the copyright holder of vast amounts of GNU software) and Linus (as the primary copyright holder for Linux) to receive a proportion of that income.

    And the SGAE can't easilydodge that responsibility either, because to do so would be to accept that much media gets used for things other than music and videos, and that therefore the tax should not apply to all media.

    Can't have it both ways.

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