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Internet Deconstructing State Church in Finland

Agnostic writes "Freethinkers of the city of Tampere, who advocate separation of state and church in Finland, created a Web site in 2003 to assist people in resigning from the church. The Web site soon became a big success in Finland. 39% of all resignations in 2004 went through the web site and 69% of all resignations in 2005. In the same process 22% more people resigned from the church in 2005 than in 2004. The most common reason cited for resigning from the church has been saving church income tax (1.3% on average)."

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  1. "deconstruct" ? "dismantle" by pomo+monster · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    At least not in common English. Please educate yourselves.

  2. Heretics!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    The Flying Spagetti Monster created all life as we know it. Please wake up from your delusions about "Christianity", "Islam", "Hindu", and all other religions. When you die you will NOT go to heaven with our BEER VOLCANO, and out STRIPPER FACTORY. Our religion has every Friday a religous holiday. We also advocate loose moral standards. Convert before it is too late!! Eternal abstenence from pasta awaits non-believers. Pastafarianism is the one true religion.

    1. Re:Heretics!!! by eosp · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      We shall not eat our God.

  3. Re:Church? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    Touche, my redneck friend, touche.

  4. Why is this on /.? by psymastr · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Is this News for nerds? I submitted a story the other day about Bill Gates' left toe being slightly bigger than his right and it got rejected. And *this* thing comes through? Come on!

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  5. pff by shnot · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    you assholes, not paying up, HOW IS GOD SUPPOSED TO FEED THE BABY JESUS, NOW? oh yeah...that omnipotence thing...maybe jesus needs a new pair of those weird-kid boots with buckles and spikes 'n shit all over 'em. he kinda strikes me as a rebel...

  6. Hey, illiterates! by pomo+monster · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    "Deconstruction" is almost universally understood to refer to a specific sort of literary analysis. No reasonably well-educated English speaker should mistake it as a synonym for "destruction" or "dismantlement."

    I suspect a more appropriate word in the title would have used a form of the verb "to erode," thus: "Internet Eroding State Church in Finland."

    Please educate yourselves.

  7. Re:How is that subversive? by Jerim · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I just want to make it clear, I am not calling those who oppose religion, crazy. They may very well have a valid viewpoint. My viewpoint is that religion has an inherent positive nature. Trying to get someone to cut their ties to that is destructive. The way I see it, there are people out there trying to actively destroy organized religion. The posts I have read on this board seem to back that up.

    It isn't really about the tax or the church vs. state issue. It is the non-religious crowd wanting to destroy organized religion. I find that to be wrong. True, churches can go overboard sometimes in recruiting new members, although I have never been approached by anyone to join their church. If we want to fight overly agressive recruitment by the church, we don't do that by being overly agressive in getting people to abandon church.

    I just find it wrong to get people to abandon something that makes them happy and may give them meaning in their lives, just because a group out there doesn't like it. The church may try to shove their viewpoints down everyone's throat, but so is the non-religious crowd. That isn't really a good example to set.

  8. Re:10%-Baptists-Christian Coolition-Bush-War by NDPTAL85 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A clump of cells is a baby? I didn't know that. Did anyone else here know that?

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  9. Re:10%-Baptists-Christian Coolition-Bush-War by theStorminMormon · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    A - I was trying to be appropriately radical, not reasonable. The stuff I was writing isn't my actual belief. It's my actual beliefs magnified beyond recognition. I'm conservative, but that was over the top (on purpose). However...

    B - Clump of cells? You are REALLY uninformed.

    * Day 1 - conception takes place.
    * 7 days - tiny human implants in mother's uterus.
    * 10 days - mother's menses stop.
    * 18 days - heart begins to beat.
    * 21 days - pumps own blood through separate closed circulatory system with own blood type.
    * 28 days - eye, ear and respiratory system begin to form.
    * 42 days - brain waves recorded, skeleton complete, reflexes present.
    * 7 weeks - photo of thumbsucking.
    * 8 weeks - all body systems present.
    * 9 weeks - squints, swallows, moves tongue, makes fist.
    * 11 weeks - spontaneous breathing movements, has fingernails, all body systems working.
    * 12 weeks - weighs one ounce.
    * 16 weeks - genital organs clearly differentiated, grasps with hands, swims, kicks, turns, somersaults, (still not felt by the mother.)
    * 18 weeks - vocal cords work - can cry.
    * 20 weeks - has hair on head, weighs one pound, 12 inches long.
    * 23 weeks - 15% chance of viability outside of womb if birth premature.*
    * 24 weeks - 56% of babies survive premature birth.*
    * 25 weeks - 79% of babies survive premature birth.*

    To put this in perspective, the most common American abortion procedure is performed in the 8 - 12 week range. So, at that point, we've got a "clump of cells" with a beating heart, a "clump of cells" with it's own circulatory system, a "clump of cells" that can suck its thumb, a "clump of cells" with brain waves, a "clump of cells" with all major body parts present (arms, legs, fingers, toes, head, heart, lungs, stomach, etc.). By the end of the time range of suction aspiration (after 12 weeks they need to manually rip the fetus apart and then vacuum because the vacuum (29 times more powerful than one in your house) is not powerful enough to rip the fetus into bits anymore without being exteremly dangerous to the mother) the body systems are not only present, but functional. You have an interesting definition of "clump of cells".

    If you want to see deeply disturbing pictures of what this "clump of cells" looks like after suction aspiration (most common method of abortion) then go here: http://www.lifesite.net/abortiontypes/. This site is NOT work safe, and it is not for the faint of heart. I don't recommend going there, I just leave it as an option.

    If you want happier, and in my opinion more educational pictures, go here: http://www.pregnancy.org/pregnancy/fetaldevelopmen t1.php#week1 or just do a google images search for "fetal development".

    -stormin

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  10. Re:10%-Baptists-Christian Coolition-Bush-War by theStorminMormon · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    WOOOHOO!!!!

    I've never been downmodded so thoroughly in my life. Hahahahahaha. At least now I know that should I ever opt for a life of trolling, I'm apparently really, really good at it.

    -stormin

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  11. Re:Finnish Line by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    How Republican of you, Anonymous Republican Coward, to think that merely denying that the Republican Party is a threat to Freedom will either make it so, or even fool any of us any more.

    Karl Rove, is that you? Roger Ailes? Sean Hannity? Rush Limbaugh...

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  12. Re:10%-Baptists-Christian Coolition-Bush-War by Fordiman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Wheee! Tangent! Someone mod this joker offtopic.

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  13. A Modding Experiment? by caudron · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    So, I wonder if I can get this post modded up by being the first person to use antidisestablishmentarianism in a slashdot thread properly and in context?

    Tom Caudron
    http://tom.digitalelite.com/

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  14. Re:Anti-religion by CRCulver · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    They're not being coerced to abandon religion. Everyone, no matter their religious affiliation, is a member of the Church of Finland upon birth. So all these people who are resigning? They're resigning either because they didn't have a religious affiliation to begin with, or because they don't like to be taxed just because they were born and the government decided to automatically make them members of their church. RTFA.

    You, sir, know nothing about Finland and should be ashamed of speaking authoritatively on the matter when you are ignorant of it. There is no single "Church of Finland". In fact, there are two churches in Finland that the government recognizes and passes on income tax money to, the Lutheran Church and the Finnish Orthodox Church. One gets enrolled in them only if one's family is already in the church, it's not applied to all and sundry regardless of their religious affiliation. The people who are "opting out" of the church right now are indeed abandoning religion, because they are turning against their own family's decision to enter them in the rolls.

  15. Re:I'm a hard-core atheist... by Fordiman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Credible religious right. Is that actually possible?

    I know we don't have one in the U.S.

    Not if 'credible' is a requirement...

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