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French Lawmakers Approve 'iTunes Law'

An anonymous reader writes "Lawmakers in the French government have passed a controversial iTunes law, which has the stated intention of forcing Apple to allow purchased music to be universally useable." From the article: "In a statement issued after lawmakers hashed out the final compromise text last week, Apple said it hoped the market would be left to decide 'which music players and online music stores are offered to consumers.' The final compromise asserts that companies should share the required technical data with any rival that wants to offer compatible music players and online stores, but it toned down many of the tougher measures backed by lower-house lawmakers early on."

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  1. Funny by lisaparratt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the way I'm looking at it, it has the intention of making Apple close ITMS in France...

    1. Re:Funny by shotfeel · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I'm not sure it does anything. From TFA
      The final compromise asserts that companies should share the required technical data with any rival that wants to offer compatible music players and online stores,

      So for music from the iTMS, the "technical data" is to burn to CD, rip to mp3, transfer to music player of choice.

      To play on the iPod, other music stores just need to sell music in non-protected form (AAC or mp3).

      Note that AFAIK (from summarized English translations) it says nothing of the process being free, easy, or lossless.
    2. Re:Funny by modeless · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't understand this, because we don't need "technical data". Breaking the DRM is the easy part; the hard part is avoiding the lawyers. What we need is for breaking the DRM to be legal!

  2. What's that sound? by Blahbooboo3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hear the sound of millions of voices in French screaming in agony as they lose Itunes/Ipods.... Sounds like the French will be buying their music from other EU countries Itune stores....

  3. The market can only decide if it CAN decide by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's quite cynical from a patent holder to invoke the right for free trade and the idea that in a free market the customer will settle the question which good is better.

    He cannot.

    Actually, the French decision IS the epitome of free trade: BOTH products, the iPod and iTunes have to succeed as the best platform. You can't have one product "tag along" with the other one. BOTH have to be successful to be the main player.

    Now, I wonder if that verdict can be applied to the hassle around Windows and Media Player/IE...

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    1. Re:The market can only decide if it CAN decide by posterlogo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's quite cynical from a patent holder to invoke the right for free trade and the idea that in a free market the customer will settle the question which good is better. He cannot. Actually, the French decision IS the epitome of free trade: BOTH products, the iPod and iTunes have to succeed as the best platform. You can't have one product "tag along" with the other one. BOTH have to be successful to be the main player.

      NO idea what you're talking about. Patents are fully compatible with free trade. In this case, there isn't really even a patent on the idea of listening to music in a digital format. All anyone has to do to get into this business is license the music from the copyright holder, and make your own damn online store and digital player. Oh wait, but you're not really going to be able to offer it at 99c, right? Thanks France, you just made it easier for the RIAA to anally probe us all. Itunes is a free software package. You can download music and play it on itunes. That is the purpose of the software package. A separate hardware package, the iPod, enables you to take that music onto a portable player. WTF is so hard to understand about that? Want an ipod, but not iTunes music? FINE!!! Get some mp3s. Want iTunes, but no iPod? FINE!!! What is the problem here?? You want neither, FINE!!! No one is shoving these products down our throats.

  4. It's About Time... by DesireCampbell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's about time that someone otyher than Microsoft was forced to play nice with their competitors.

    I still think it's stupid to force a company to help it's rivals - but at least the EU's trying to be fair about it.

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  5. Re:When government needs to butt out. by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This whole law smacks of Frances communist-like laws to give poorly run French buisnesses a chance by gimping the better run foreign competitors.

    Oh yeah, and the United States' capitalist-like laws have never done that.

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  6. Controversial by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Lawmakers in the French government have passed a controversial iTunes law, which has the stated intention of forcing Apple to allow purchased music to be universally useable."

    How sad that a law that is in the best interests of the people in a democracy -- and of society as a whole -- is considered "controversial".

    Apple said it hoped the market would be left to decide 'which music players and online music stores are offered to consumers.

    And let the mythical "invisible hand of the free market" take care of consumers? Yeah, right.

    The final compromise asserts that companies should share the required technical data with any rival that wants to offer compatible music players and online stores

    Damn right. Proprietary file formats are an abomination unto human civilization!

    Sorry. I've had a little too much sugar...

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  7. I agree! by COMON$ · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And while we are at it we need to make sure that all data is universal to every device, I am pissed that my 35mm camera film is not accepted by my iPod and that AAA batteries are not easily converted to work in my D cell devices. My dell laptop batteries wont work in my Thinkpad, and rant on....

    Seriously if people dont like iTunes format then dont buy them...there are plenty of options.

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  8. Re:When government needs to butt out. by govtpiggy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Have you never heard of tariffs? That is the essence of "gimping the better run foreign competitors" and is law in the US.

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  9. Re:It's not about helping your rivals by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're not forced to use them, no. But that's not the point.

    The point is that people want to have a portable music player. They don't care what manufacturer is from (let's take the "ideal" customer for now, and he has no irrational preferences for any brand).

    Now, this ideal customer makes the decision which player to get. And, being the ideal customer, he is also ideally informed (i.e. he knows everything about every player on the market).

    Now he also knows that iTunes is maybe the most comfortable way for him to buy online music. So he will buy an iPod because he cannot choose another player if he wants that.

    The point isn't that I don't want an iPod. The point is that I want the iPod to succeed because it is the better player and not because it has a foot in the door with iTunes. The customer does not care which player he gets, he chooses the "best" model for him. And here the iPod has the advantage of being "hauled along" with iTunes, a quasi-monopoly Apple has on the content side for your gear.

    The goal is to keep Apple at its toes to make better iPods with better batteries, more space and so on. I don't want to "hurt" Apple, but I do want the best player for my money. And with the advantage of iTunes, Apple could create players that are under par compared with the competing manufacturers of portable music players and they'd still sell.

    And that doesn't look good in my books of free market. He who makes crap should perish. He who creates better goods should rise.

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  10. Re:Monopoly? by One+Childish+N00b · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If not, this it completely and utterly wrong and amounts to socialism.
    Of course, this relies on the acceptance of the premise that 'socialism' is 'wrong'... and judging by your ending statement of 'The French have lost a lot of battles, my guess is they'll lose their fight with Apple too.', I can only assume this is more American France-bashing.

    How will France lose their battle with Apple? Are Apple going to go to war with France? Of course not - they'll both lose, as Apple will lose revenue and the French government will lose taxes on that revenue. Whatever you think about France's decision here, equating 'socialism' with 'wrongness' is subjective, and cheap shots about French military victories (PML PUT IT IN GOOGLE LOL!) simply cheapen your post further.

    Other than that, good try, thanks for playing.
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  11. Re:French Lawmakers - Why do they care? by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it is an issue of deliberate lock-in. We wouldn't dream of buying a Sony CD, much less having to buy Sony's CD player in order to use Sony's CD. Then if you bought a Philips CD, you'd have to use a Philips player. It is a regression of formats to go from something that was open and now it is either locked to a certain brand product or you have to degrade the quality to play it in some other device. That Tunebite program is only a loop-back reencoder, it doesn't just strip the protection, it also degrades audio quality again to use it in some other product.

    Another concern brought up by the Scandinavian cases is that Apple reserves the right to change the terms of the use of the product after you've paid for it, and you get no recourse if you don't like what they do.