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MA Senator Decries OpenDocument Decision

An anonymous reader writes to mention a ZDNet article on Massachusetts senator Marc Pacheco's OpenDocument study. The report blasts the decision to switch to the OSS-friendly document format, saying the state's IT division didn't have the authority to make that decision and has disregarded the needs of disabled citizens. From the article: "'The process, quite frankly, was driven by one individual in a very powerful position (Kriss) issuing a memo to an individual in a less powerful position (Quinn). Then he was told to get it done and forget about any obstacles,' Pacheco said. Although OpenDocument is not yet widely used, other government entities, including Belgium, have expressed interest in OpenDocument as a standard as well."

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  1. Check this senator's campaign contributions. by base3 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bet you'll see a contribution from the industry, perhaps laundered through an astroturf organization of some kind. Or maybe they've gone back to the old fashioned envelopes full of $100 bills.

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  2. Some in disability community see value to ODF by peterkorn · · Score: 5, Interesting
    As I note in my blog (shameless plug) http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/korn/20060629 increasingly folks in the disability community in Massachusetts see real accessibility benefits to this move to ODF; something that hasn't been picked up yet by mainstream media. See the recent Carroll Center blog: http://blog.carrolltech.org/archives/54 and the earlier Carroll Center blog when folks were first becoming aware of ODF accessibility issues in Massachusetts http://blog.carrolltech.org/archives/51. Also the Oakdale Christian Fellowship in Charlotte NC makes similar points to the recent Carroll Center blog (see my writeup at: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/korn/20051116).

    As others have noted in this thread, the mainstream media continues to repeat the falsehood that Microsoft is responsible for the accessibility of MS-Office (which is to say, the extent to which Windows assistive technology vendors have special-cased and reverse-engineering MS-Office). David Berlind's interview with Curtis Chong of the National Federation of the Blind make this very clear (see his blog at: http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=2163

  3. Re:Apples & Oranges by Atmchicago · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You are absolutely correct that the Senator is talking about a red herring.

    You can also argue with him, claiming that those who cannot afford the money to purchase either OSX or Windows and a copy of MS Office are effectively 'disabled' and incapable of composing compatible documents.

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  4. Re:Campaign contributions by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Question: Did microsoft contribute money to those that did not oppose the plan also?

    Further, why shouldn't someone contribute to those legislators that agree with your position> That's how all campaign finance works. You support those you agree with, either financially or with voting or both.

  5. Re:Apples & Oranges by CaymanIslandCarpedie · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Come on! Give the guy a break. He's a politian who actually got an issue related to technology correct. Thats something you don't see every day! Sure his terminology was a little off, but I'm sure most of the /. crowd could easily mess up political terminology like contribution, kick-back, bribe, soft money, etc. We cannnot all be experts in everything. I at least have to give him credit for this issue with the change being correct (at least for now) even if he did make a small slip in terminology which I've even seen made here.

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  6. Marc Pacheco takes money from MS by SQLz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Marc didn't give a crap till MS made it worth his time with a couple mil in free licenses.

  7. Paging Pot, Kettle Calling by Nom+du+Keyboard · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The process, quite frankly, was driven by one individual in a very powerful position (Kriss) issuing a memo to an individual in a less powerful position (Quinn).

    Seems to me that Senator Pacheco wanted to make the decision himself -- just in the opposite direction!

    And this whole more powerful/less powerful discussion sounds like an overdose of Politically Correct thinking, which makes him a danger as anybody's senator.

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  8. Re:An Even Better Proposed Format by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Interesting
    However, discontinuing the use of Office before application support for odf is equal to that of Office makes no sense at all.


    Actually - the proposal that included moving to ODF as the official format also included continued use of MS Office as required until a full migration could be made for everyone. That is, assuming Microsoft insisted in to providing a method for MS Office to use ODF. Which, honestly, is a funny thing to do when a major customer has a set requirement. Zealotry, indeed.
  9. Re:Yeah right by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    There is no player for this format (yet), but that shouldn't stop its adoption since that's the playing application's responsibility. Surely a lack of application support shouldn't get in the way of adopting my clearly superior, open format, should it?

    You're right - that would be ridiculous. Since the OpenDocument Foundation released an OpenDocument plugin for Word, at least Massachusetts won't have to deal with any bizarre scenarios like that with their word processing.

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  10. A different point of view... by MBC1977 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Without a doubt Microsoft is a for-profit company, good or evil being the decision of the individual consumer.
    Is Microsoft Office (to include its file formats) an open standard. No, however they are a 'de facto standard'.
    ODF while an open standard, true will gain more users overtime, but to simply dismiss proprietory software companies
    simply because they won't 'open' their standards is foolish. The question of how Microsoft gained their 'de facto' standard,
    I'll leave to others, I simply look at it like this, their software works, I've never had a problem getting other document formats
    to work in Word or any other MS application, (or for that matter any of their applications / operating systems). Some people do have
    issues with them, true, I've fixed / patched enough computers with their software to know that. I'll even be so bold to say a lot of the
    problems, are user generated, though some have been squarely on Microsoft's shoulders. Be that as it may, considering the investment (or
    loss of investment) a lot of the Anything But Microsoft crowd is advocating is highly significant. Accepting open standards, just because
    they are open, sometimes is not the best way to proceed (think of the too many chefs in the kitchen theory).

    Not saying I'm right, but I am saying dismissing a Microsoft solution, just because its Microsoft sometimes is kinda stupid I think.

    Regards,

    MBC1977,
    (US Marine, College Student, and Good Guy!)

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  11. Re:Apples & Oranges by Smallpond · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here is the MS list of accessibility features in Word. Which of these are not available in OO?