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An anonymous reader writes "ITO has published a comprehensive article on the new meaning of unified security management: 'In the not too distant past, the information security needs for most organizations were fairly straightforward. From a technology perspective, core defenses included a handful of perimeter-based firewalls to policing traffic originating from the Internet, along with software at desktops, and perhaps email gateways, to counter the emerging threat from viruses.'"

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  1. An interesting read by Tecnolife · · Score: 1

    Considering I'm planning to go into the network security field, any other interesting/fact-filled articles or websites I should check out?

    1. Re:An interesting read by drpimp · · Score: 2, Informative

      One well know place to start

      http://www.sans.org/

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    2. Re:An interesting read by Bishop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This article is terrible and contains no real facts. It is full of buzz words for management.

      Go read Schneier. It may seem that most of what he writes is not security related, but it usually it. All forms of security are related. It is important to look at the big security picture and not concentrate on the individual technology pieces.

    3. Re:An interesting read by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Read absolutely everything the DoD and NSA have published on host and network security. Study the crypto and hashing function lounges to understand what underlying mechanisms are known to be flawed and which have a high liklihood of having problems. Devour everything that NIST, NESSIE and eCrypt have published on cryptographic techniques (such as authenticating encryption modes). Read up on intrusion detection and intrusion countermeasure systems, their strengths and their weaknesses. Find out about different active and passive scanning techniques (you can get a lot of forensics from timings, and passive fingerprinting is a big nasty). Understand completely ALL of the implications of the Byzantine General's Problem, The Byzantine Agreement Problem, Byzantine Fault Tolerent Authentication (ie: parallel security). Comprehend the consequences of DNS poisoning, router table poisoning, ARP poisoning and other lower-layer attacks.


      Then go on BBC's Mastermind. Or be the world's leading expert on IT security. Or both. The problem is that security is one of those fields where there needs to be only one weakness and ALL of the strengths will count for nothing. As such, comprehending one tiny segment in isolation is not a valuable exercise - it WILL be bypassed. Security specialists are the worst specialists to be, you need to be a security generalist if you are to be able to stop anything much beyond the most trivial of attackers. Particularly in a day and age where tools are so easily exchanged that attackers do NOT need to be generalists. The Internet is a gestalt of everyone who uses it and is ergo the ultimate generalist. THAT is who you would be defending against.

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    4. Re:An interesting read by srn_test · · Score: 1

      Except for the squids on Friday.

    5. Re:An interesting read by zolaris · · Score: 1

      Well seeing how many squids there are in the world (every major restaurant has them) I would say that at least thier avaiablity is doing well (if not confidentiality and integrity also). Oh and to the OP, also check out the internet storm center (part of sans). http://isc.sans.org/ and maybe some vendor blogs. F-Secure keeps one I like to read every once in a while.

  2. Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by tlambert · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... the entire article read like a hard-sell pitch for all-in-one security appliances. And it turns out one of the authors is the V.P. of marketing for a company selling a range of all-in-one security appliances.

    I'd actually think that everyone going the recommended route would end up in the same boat as the current monoculture of point product that they complain about. Now, instead of being compromised because we're all running the same code, we get compromised because we're all running the same security appliance, with the same flaws.

    I'd actually rather see a diverse and heterogeneous set of defenses to prevent large scale compromises working against everyone, and the economy of throwing everything into a box, rather than loading a bunch of diverse software strikes me as a false one.

    The same arguments that make me want to run a MacOS X box or a FreeBSD box or a Linux box instead of some other platform with well known vulnerabilities make me *not* want to run the same appliance box in front of my network that everyone else is running, too.

    Maybe I'm just jaded, and have heard "best of breed" one too many times. 8-(.

    -- Terry

    1. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'd love to let me users run whatever they wanted. But then we'd need to tripple the hell-desk staff. Here's what I'd like:

      Secretaries should be running bootable knoppix with an automagic mapping to the SAN/NAS. No worry about them downloading crap. Of course, they'd still call 15 times a day wanting to know how to send an Outlook appointment that some people can decline while others cannot. And they'd still accidentaly overwrite or delete the C*Os' proposals.

      Devs should be able to run whatever they like. But a lot of them are dangerous. Devs *think* they are admins. Some of them are good and really know the workings of their chosen platform. But they tend to shut down virus protection "so they can compile faster" or install random tools "because they prefer program X over program Y." Just leave the mofo alone and call the hell-desk before you install. Is that so hard?

      Engineers are the worst. They really drive our dependance on MS Office. They are the ones doing crazy-mad macros in Word and making PowerPoint jump like it's a fucking Pixar movie. If I had my way, our engineers would never be allowed to use a PC on the network. They'd have to describe what they want to an intern and then let him write it for them...

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    2. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by bersl2 · · Score: 1
      I'd actually think that everyone going the recommended route would end up in the same boat as the current monoculture of point product that they complain about. Now, instead of being compromised because we're all running the same code, we get compromised because we're all running the same security appliance, with the same flaws.

      I'd actually rather see a diverse and heterogeneous set of defenses to prevent large scale compromises working against everyone, and the economy of throwing everything into a box, rather than loading a bunch of diverse software strikes me as a false one.

      The horrible part is that homogeneity of implementation is not only the norm, it is the expectation. Largely this arises out of confusion between implementation and interface. Of course, we all know the source of this particular area of confusion.
    3. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by Bishop · · Score: 2, Interesting

      TFA is a terrible sales pitch (complete with CIO buzzwords) for Fortinet's products.

      Last year we were testing one of the smaller Fortinet "firewalls." It was easy to crash the Fortinet box and the protocol/data scanners with a boring network fuzzer. (i.e. we sent bad data at the box) Given time I am sure that we could have exploited the crashes. But, as that was not our job, we moved on to testing better products.

      These all in one (adaptive filtering with super duper special proxies) traffic scanning firewalls rely on software that perfectly understands the higher level network protocols. This is not an easy task. Consider the different webbrowser bugs and misfeatures that web pages need to code around. The firewall software needs to understand and allow for these bugs as well. The traffic scanning software is complex with leads to bugs. Some of those bugs will certainly be exploitable.

    4. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by kesuki · · Score: 1

      well, security is a tricky game :)

      I've said it before that the best security feature is to unplug your computer and bury it in concrete :) even just filling the case with concrete will help keep it from getting lojacked.

      ah well, there are Good security practices, and pointless ones :) security appliances may help some people, but they're no replacment for a certified security professional (enough to keep a 24/7/365 staff) keeping hackers out, and keeping your network secure.

      I won't say this appliance is bad, because i don't know anything about it, but it's not going to let you replace that $100,000 a year security professional with a 12 year old working for minimum wage.

    5. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by jd · · Score: 1
      I'll agree for the most part. If you took an A1-class general purpose OS, mandated IPSec w/ public key encryption for all connections, used S/Key-encrypted passwords over Kerberos for the user authentication, used source routing with an internal routing map, had a static DNS system also internal to it, ran firewalls on layers 2, 3 and 7, placed active intrusion detectors on a parallel (A1) OS on a parallel processor, ran all software with ElectricFence or other malloc protection, used secure (maybe encrypted) memory and an encrypted filesystem, then it could reasonably be trusted against likely attacks. Mind you, it'll (a) cost a fortune, and (b) have no compute power left to actually run any applications, but it will at least be secure. :)


      Seriously, yes, the only way to have a system that could be even remotely worthy of the name "secure" would need to use a very wide range of techniques for active and passive defenses. Having them on different (and diverse) machines would protect against timing-related vulnerabilities and would also allow for passive detection of attacks by other machines in the network, which would allow them to actively defend the network as a whole. The whole class of encryption and trust mechanisms that fall into the Byzantine category all rely on parallel architectures, where the number of "good" nodes is at least 2/3rds + 1 the number of nodes under consideration. A large, heterogenius network is capable of an entire class of defences an isolated computer - however "secure" - is (by definition) incapable of.

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    6. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't that impressed either - and for some of the same reasons.

      I read "providing anything but a comprehensive degree of protection is not an option in today's business and computing environment" but I don't believe it. Come and look at my workplace where someone recently put "+ oracle" in /etc/hosts.equiv on 2 production Solaris boxes (allowing oracle everywhere access to all non-root accounts on them (including bin)). We're still trying to get people not to install their applications world-writable. I even found one recently that in the install script has a "chmod -R 777" command at the end.

    7. Re:Sorry; I wasn't that impressed... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every "ALL_IN_ONE" soluion I have come across, wether in the computer field or physical, ends up doing none of the tasks well.
      If it does everything, then it does none of it well.

  3. The best securuty measure... by mfaras · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... is still there, as it was in the good ol' times: Unplug the damn thing



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    1. Re:The best securuty measure... by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      Not a bad idea. Baseline your systems and find out what's normal. Then, if the system starts doing something crazy, have the switch turn off the port.

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    2. Re:The best securuty measure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not soon I hope! Us male slashdotters already feel bad for not using the one we were born with... let alone the extra dick from the upgrade.

  4. And on top of that... by b0r1s · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We've been testing a BUNCH of 'all in one' security appliances, and most are clearly running Linux, and at least one of the VERY LARGE, WELL KNOWN appliances is even missing stability updates (yes, that's right, off the shelf bugtraq code can DoS it).

    There's a time and place for security appliances, but they're not a cure-all. Some of the brands (I'm actually a fan of Watchguard for small businesses) do great work blocking malicious web and email traffic, but the stability and security are still far from perfect.

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  5. Security by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I kinda work in "the industry" and here's my $0.02:

    First, a good setup would involve a completely standard desktop solution. From hardware to software, everything needs to be, pretty much, identical. That install would come with a VMWare player image of the user's standard install with full admin rights to the user. The VMWare image would be for special dev tools or just for those times when a user "has to have admin". This should remain hidden/disabled for 99% of the users. Only unlock it when someone shows they need to have admin for some reason.

    Next, you need to have good user controls. The user should not be able to save files on their local drive. Every desktop should have a shortcut to the SAN/NAS. Every doc they create should be placed there. The SAN/NAS would be backed up daily.

    The desktop should include a firewall. Only 80 and 443 should be open for outgoing. Incoming should have RDP or VNC open for admins to get in. There should be an icon on the desktop with the computer's name and IP address so that the user does not spend an hour reading the label off the back of the PC.

    On the e-mail side. Attachments should not be allowed. Internally, there should be a "dump" directory on the SAN/NAS. Idealy, groups would have their own dump area within that group's directory. The dump directory would be deleted every night prior to backups.

    HTML e-mail would be allowed, but images would be stripped.

    The network center's setup should be as bulletproof as possible. Every server should run a firewall and only allow what is needed. And then, lock them to the IP address ranges they need to connect to.

    Webmail would be blocked at the proxy server. We provide you an e-mail for official use. If you want to get your webmail, forward that to your work addy where we at least get a chance to strip attachments, bugged images, and phishing attempts.

    Last but not least, have a good contengency plan. We all know about trojans, phishing, bad attachments and the like. But what's the next internet wildfire? For everything you can think of, there are probably 10 things you can't. Have good backups and at least try to keep a virus on the user's desktop from raping your SAN/NAS. Have a plan for fire and earthquakes/floods. Have a few spare desktops with the standard install already done for when a user borks their setup. Have help files on the desktop for things like setting up outlook and mapping SAN/NAS drives.

    Remember that it's all a matter of usability vs. security. I could make the most secure airline in the world. But no one would ever want to fly completely naked and cuffed to their seats.

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    1. Re:Security by slashjunkie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That install would come with a VMWare player image of the user's standard install with full admin rights to the user. The VMWare image would be for special dev tools or just for those times when a user "has to have admin".

      I can't see how making the user suffer the performance overhead of VMware is a security measure. If this is an attempt to provide a quick way to re-image a workstation after a user has bollocksed it up, why not just use a hard drive imaging tool?

      The desktop should include a firewall. Only 80 and 443 should be open for outgoing.

      So, no SMB/CIFS/NFS to allow them to actually work with their data on the SAN/NAS? No DNS so they can actually resolve the address of the SAN? No ICMP so that the host actually has a clue when it tries to connect to something that is unreachable?

      Incoming should have RDP or VNC open for admins to get in.

      Don't forget hackers...

      On the e-mail side. Attachments should not be allowed.

      That would destroy the reason most people use email these days. Can you imagine how effectively a salesperson or manager is going to be able to do their job, if they can't easily send markting material such as PDF's or PPT's to customers?

      HTML e-mail would be allowed, but images would be stripped.

      Why? What makes an image any more of a threat to security than a rich-text email (especially when read with certain well known mail clients... *cough* Outlook *cough*) ?

      Have good backups and at least try to keep a virus on the user's desktop from raping your SAN/NAS.

      That usually comes down to implementing sensible file/directory permissions, and the challenging task of educating users to actually save stuff in the right place.

      I could make the most secure airline in the world. But no one would ever want to fly completely naked and cuffed to their seats.

      I don't see how your sexual kinks play a role in this discussion.

    2. Re:Security by HMC+CS+Major · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The trade-off is what kills most real admins.

      I work for an advertising agency. They live and die on "easy" communication with every client possible, and most would be surprised just what kind of crap marketting firms will send in professional emails.

      Strip an image? They just lost contact info for a potential client. Kill a zipfile because it's password protected? Oops, that was a 7 figure proposal. It just gets worse and worse.

      Start by having 2 NAS systems. One for real users, one for idiots who must be attached to the network. Then, separate them so there's no communication between them. Create multiple login systems, and protect your real work (financials, C-levels, etc) from the sales staff and receptionists who open everything, every time.

      It's extra work up front, but eventually, those super-complex ACLs preventing the receptionist from deleting any file she doesn't own will save your ass.

    3. Re:Security by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      So, why not use a VMWare image connecting to an external Outlook server for "risky" communications? Run a tight internal network for everyday stuff and then an open netowrk for easy access for those special occasions.

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    4. Re:Security by sxeraverx · · Score: 3, Funny
      Remember that it's all a matter of usability vs. security. I could make the most secure airline in the world. But no one would ever want to fly completely naked and cuffed to their seats.
      You haven't met me.
      Hi, I'm Tom.
    5. Re:Security by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      >>So, no SMB/CIFS/NFS to allow them to actually work with their data on the SAN/NAS? No DNS so they can actually resolve the address of the SAN? No ICMP so that the host actually has a clue when it tries to connect to something that is unreachable?

      Sorry, I wasn't layout out the whole plan. Sure, some of that'd be open. But ICMP? Users don't usually need to ping. If they do, an admin can RDP in and do it for him.

      >>Don't forget hackers...

      I think that if you run the protocols on nonstandard ports and close those on your external firewall, you should be OK. Admins need a remote desktop app to troubleshoot. Nothing is more useless than having a user describe a problem. If they can show you the prob, it can be cleared quickly.

      >>That would destroy the reason most people use email these days. Can you imagine how effectively a salesperson or manager is going to be able to do their job, if they can't easily send markting material such as PDF's or PPT's to customers?

      Not everyone needs to communicate with a customer. If so, make special arrangements. And no one should be getting ZIPs, RARs, EXEs, and the like. The smart ones begin renaming the extension. So now, no attachments == some security.

      >>Why? What makes an image any more of a threat to security than a rich-text email (especially when read with certain well known mail clients... *cough* Outlook *cough*) ?

      Images can link to external servers and be used to verify good IP and e-mail addresses. They can also exploit unpatched systems.

      >>That usually comes down to implementing sensible file/directory permissions, and the challenging task of educating users to actually save stuff in the right place.

      Still, you have to give users read/write to their group folders. That's where the real damage can happen.

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    6. Re:Security by slashjunkie · · Score: 2, Informative

      But ICMP? Users don't usually need to ping.

      ICMP entails quite a bit more than just ping. If the PC is unable to receive "network/host/protocol/port unreachable", they'll just sit there stupidly until the connection times out. "TTL expired" and "needs fragment" are also fairly important.

      I think that if you run the protocols on nonstandard ports and close those on your external firewall, you should be OK. Admins need a remote desktop app to troubleshoot. Nothing is more useless than having a user describe a problem. If they can show you the prob, it can be cleared quickly.

      If you run services on nonstandard ports, you're only going to stop the dumbest of hackers. Anyone with a clue will portscan your box, to see what's open. From there, it's relatively easy to identify the protocol bound to a particular port. Security through obscurity is not really security. As for blocking ports on a firewall, of course, that is standard practice. But often the threat these days is within an organisation. Most LAN's have very little network security, once inside the perimeter. Crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside.

      I agree however, it's useful to be able to take remote control of a user's desktop. Citrix has such a feature built in, called "shadowing a session". Of course, that's in a Citrix environment, not an XP desktop environment.

      And no one should be getting ZIPs, RARs, EXEs, and the like. The smart ones begin renaming the extension.

      Even open source mail scanning gateways such as Amavisd-new support banned filename extensions. Couple that with ClamAV, and scan all attachments not yet banned, including recursive scanning of compressed archives, and you get quite a bit of security for very little cost. I've seen this solution fare better than commercial ones, which failed because the virus was a ZIP inside a ZIP.

      Images can link to external servers and be used to verify good IP and e-mail addresses.

      True... which is why most email clients these days do not display images (and thus invoke the HTTP connection to retrieve that invisible 1px image) by default. This kind of thing can also be prevented by having a web proxy that only allows access to whitelisted sites.

      Still, you have to give users read/write to their group folders.

      Yes you do, there is no way around that. All you can do is give people access to the minimum amount possible. Beyond that, backups are really your only safety net.

    7. Re:Security by Bios_Hakr · · Score: 1

      >>Crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside.

      So true. Hence the need for good control of the software they run. Good network baselines and port-level switch security are a must also. If you notice something is up, you can investigate. We get PMs when SNMP reports high utilization on a switch. From there, we open the switch's graphs and determine who is doing what. If a user's port is screaming, we disconnect them and go over to see what's up.

      >>I agree however, it's useful to be able to take remote control of a user's desktop. Citrix has such a feature built in, called "shadowing a session". Of course, that's in a Citrix environment, not an XP desktop environment.

      Most of the VNC systems have this. I can connect using TinyVNC and watch a user.

      >>Even open source mail scanning gateways such as Amavisd-new support banned filename extensions. Couple that with ClamAV, and scan all attachments not yet banned, including recursive scanning of compressed archives, and you get quite a bit of security for very little cost. I've seen this solution fare better than commercial ones, which failed because the virus was a ZIP inside a ZIP.

      Or they password the ZIP and include the pass in the email. If you allow it, it will be exploited.

      >>True... which is why most email clients these days do not display images (and thus invoke the HTTP connection to retrieve that invisible 1px image) by default. This kind of thing can also be prevented by having a web proxy that only allows access to whitelisted sites.

      That's crazy. Even I wouldn't reccomend whitelisting. I did some work for a company a while back that blocked everything not in the US. Users would get blocked from everything that didn't end in a .com/net/org. Once I pointed out that someone in Russia can buy a .com, they relaxed a bit.

      >>Yes you do, there is no way around that. All you can do is give people access to the minimum amount possible. Beyond that, backups are really your only safety net.

      Agreed. Which is why I say no user can write to his own hard drive outside of the "temp" folders and desktop. We get hundreds of calls at first from people not being able to save a doc, but once they understand how to use their mapped "personal" drive (mapped under P:\) and their group's drive (mapped to G:\), they understand.

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    8. Re:Security by slashjunkie · · Score: 1

      We get PMs when SNMP reports high utilization on a switch. From there, we open the switch's graphs and determine who is doing what. If a user's port is screaming, we disconnect them and go over to see what's up.

      In a graphic design house, or anywhere that routinely works on large files, that's going to inconvenience and maybe even infuriate a lot of people. A large file copy is going to make a port "scream", that is, up until you disconnect it. Do you strap on a bulletproof vest and riot helmet before confronting the user of that port?

      You should possibly consider taking a look at Cisco NAC.

      Or they password the ZIP and include the pass in the email. If you allow it, it will be exploited.

      So you quarantine anything that is not scannable. I'd rather do that, than make email virtually useless by blocking all attachments outright. Unless your job title is BOFH, that's just gonna piss people off, and some of those people may be the ones who write your paychecks.

      I did some work for a company a while back that blocked everything not in the US. Users would get blocked from everything that didn't end in a .com/net/org.

      The domain TLD has nothing to do with the geographic location of a server. It might have been a rough guide, once upon a time. Anyway, I was thinking more along the lines of whitelisting sites you trust, regardless whether they're US, German, Chinese... sites that your users have a legitimate reason to connect to.

    9. Re:Security by Niet3sche · · Score: 1
      Remember that it's all a matter of usability vs. security. I could make the most secure airline in the world. But no one would ever want to fly completely naked and cuffed to their seats.
      Ah yes - welcome to America, where we do fly like this. Or at least it sure seems like we are treated in a similar fashion when going through screening and (pre)boarding.
    10. Re:Security by alxtoth · · Score: 1

      What's the difference if the virused attachements arrive to the mail client and user opens them versus user opens all attachements in the "dump directory" ? Besides, deleting the dump directory every night makes it practically unusable for legitimate purposes. How should one associate the text mails with the files in home folders (copied over from ever deleting dump folder) ?!? The whole proposal looks nice in PowerPoint, and hopefully will never get deployed

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    11. Re:Security by rikkards · · Score: 1

      So now, no attachments == some security
      I assume you are also stating to not allow any removable media. If you don't allow attachments then users will find some other way to get some file that they need (or "think" they need) and there is no better method than floppy/USB Key/CD for that.

  6. good lord, what marketing crap by Raleel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    4 pages to say defense in depth? Any person who's spent a little time reading about security on the internet could tell you that. Heck, with a touch of extrapolation, combined forces has been used for how long? A couple thousand years?

    I agree with the poster above who said like it sounded like an ad for an all in one appliance. It spends the first page putting down best of breed security means, then says we need to use best of breed ones, only under this new definition. It ignores that these all in one solutions generally have the cost of integration factored into the cost of the very expensive product. It talks about the changing security environment, trying to pump up your fear, but it totally ignores insider threat, which constitute the larger chunk of threat.

    Essentially, this is a document for security managers, not for anyone on the ground, so to speak. The language is unnecessarily obtuse and ornate.

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  7. What about making a secure OS? by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you install software, it tells you its installing, and goes into the installed directory so you can browse every piece of software installed on your computer... Instead of letting software designers put their software everywhere they feel like hiding it on your harddrive and registry. Yes I'm looking in your direction windows. Power to the user, less abusive power to the developer.

  8. Thanks for that... by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 1

    Usually, there's not enough to read, but at 10 PM on a weeknight, the last thing I want to do is read something that long. Thanks for telling me that I don't need to read it.

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  9. Zero informational content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In summary, an article pitching 'unified threat' appliances, written by the VP Marketing of a vendor for same, in conjunction with a coin operated analyst who writes white papers. There is little valuable news or informational content in that article. They don't even bother to back the thrust of their argument with much in the way of facts, just vague assertions that support their points.

  10. Silly by starfishsystems · · Score: 1
    There's nothing like a good old-fashioned false dichotomy to start off a shameless product promotion. Kind of reminds me of those late-night informercials for "Y-Bron" hosted by the Man from U.N.C.L.E. himself. Anyone see those? Viagra has made the whole argument kind of redundant, but it was gruesomely presented. Your first option against "male impotency", as I think it was called, is a very nasty looking penis implant and inflation device. Well, doctor, that seems a bit severe. Is there any alternative? Um, why that's a very good question. As it happens, there is. You could take Y-Bron, made from all natural products, only fifty bucks per bottle.

    Not that I have anything in principle against the concept of unified security management, except for the little matter that security is an emergent property of the entire system under consideration and not something that can be separated out into an external appliance, no matter how nice and easy that might seem. For example, the "emerging threat from viruses" represented in the article is due to choices in system design which egregiously ignore the problems that might result from installing any random blob of data as system software.

    Indeed, perimeter security has never been regarded as sufficient, merely convenient. Many uses of networks have no natural perimeter, university campuses for example. The alternative concept of defense in depth has been the subject of ongoing discussion for at least a decade now, but it does require some effort to model what is allowed to communicate with what, and that in turn forces the question of identity. All of that is sort of hard. Not impossible, but you have to think about what you're doing, and maybe stop doing some of the bad stuff. You can't just take a pill to make it go away.

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  11. So is this a commercial? by caller9 · · Score: 1

    So this says people should put all their eggs in one basket and that is the proper way to protect the network. It mentions protection at the edge only as being bad, which it is. Then doesn't really come back to that and tries to sell a box that brings to mind a wan,lan,dmz port.

    This is lame. Sure it may be running some kind of magical software that knows in advance all of the 0 day stuff better than tipping point. Really though, layered multi-vendor approaches are best. I've had a virus make it through the IPS, mail gateway, the mail server, all the way to the desktop before geting caught by AV. I've had the same thing happen but it wasn't caught by the desktop AV until a day later once the defs updated. That kind-of sucked but it did no real damage running as an unprivileged user and the mail server and gateway probably wouldn't have seen it again, though I assume their defs would find it at that point.

    This is for small businesses with no open source knowledge and bad IT. Nothing to see here, move along.

  12. If this is anything like ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... multi-track drifting, I think we all better hope for the best.

  13. Puffy! by astra05 · · Score: 2, Informative

    My security solution that handles 95% of what I need is OpenBSD (plus a couple of ports) The documenation is awesome as is the community, and it is built to be proactively secure. Give it a try: http://www.openbsd.org/

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  14. Use tag "markitechture" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Ahh, a comprehensive article on security structure written by someone out to sell something. Only one good tag for this story - "markitechture".

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  15. What is this network supposed to enable ? by Quiberon · · Score: 1

    I thought the network was supposed to facilitate business and personal communication. One configured like this looks more like 'walking through a minefield'. How do you ever get a distributed application (think funds transfer between banks) working ? Cash on a motorcycle ?

  16. BS by sonictheboom · · Score: 1
    To be clear, best-of-breed point products do in fact provide in-depth security capabilities. However, each product is only narrowly applicable and is therefore unable to provide the breadth of coverage needed in today's IT environments. To put it another way, the (potential) incremental gain in security capabilities that can be attained with best-of-breed products is simply not sufficient to offset the complexity and expense that will result from organizations needing to implement many of them to cover all of their bases.
    In contrast, multi-layer security platforms hold the promise of more efficiently and economically providing an effective, modern-day security solution. This is based on integrating a full set of security services into a single, easy-to-manage appliance that is capable of supporting a wide range of deployment scenarios.
    Actually, no. UTMs are usually Linux boxes with anti-virus from whomever (TrendMicro or Symantec), anti-spam from Spamassassin, firewall from whomever, IDS from sourcefire. And the most important bit: a big list with a lot of tick marks. The only thing that is unified is the user interface. None of these things will work together - getting a lot of spam from one IP address? your UTM should block that IP at the network layer by using the 'best of breed' firewall that it has. Does it do that? No. Only an idiot would have anti-spam on a firewall but its easy sales.
  17. um. you've just described a useless system by Colin+Smith · · Score: 1
    The desktop should include a firewall. Only 80 and 443 should be open for outgoing.
    [snip]
    On the e-mail side.


    What email side? You've blocked everything but http and https. POP, IMAP, SMB, NFS etc etc etc etc etc are all blocked.

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  18. Platitudes, platitudes by the.mutts.nuts · · Score: 1

    Trite, insipid and banal. I agree that a holistic approach is needed and because of that a 'platform' is only part of the remedy. Apart from stating the obvious, the approach advocated here actually amounts to a view of information security which is curiously not holistic. As is usual, there is no mention of any process involved in information security simply a thinly veiled entreat to buy the snake oil and all will be well. Reader beware if devices are all that is mentioned then question the writers motives.

    I would urge investigation of ISO27001 for any organisation. This will give you a framework. The risk analysis process will tell you what you are trying to protect and from what. The business owns the risk and if they accept it your job is done. If mitigation is mandated then you can look for 'platforms' and processes that fulfil your requirement. If your approach is rigourous then you will reduce the risk to an acceptable level for all parties concerned.

    Of course, the success of the above relies heavily on skilled technical security professionals capable of acurately identifying threats, vulnerabilities and effective mitigation tactics.

    In short, I would rather "blend" the above solution than concentrate on a bunch of boxes stitched together like 'Buffalo Bill' on a Saturday night.

    1. Re:Platitudes, platitudes by PGillingwater · · Score: 1
      I fully concur with the above comment, and strongly recommend adoption of the ISO27001 series of standard (there is also ISO27002, 3, with more to come.)

      I've written a paper on how to approach this, available here (PDF.)

      I was disappointed by the title, since it hints at security convergence -- but completely fails to explore the space where my company is active, which is integrating physical security monitoring (alarm systems, environmental controls, UPS monitoring) with data security controls (IDS, network autodiscovery, scanning at Layer 2, 3 and 4), etc.

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      MBA, CISSP, CISM
  19. OMG! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i wish i could write a plain sucked out of thin air
    article like that. OMG. it's NOTHING.

    this reminds me of high school were we had to write about
    "some topic". utterly useless about the content, but if
    there were no spelling errors you'd get a "A".

    un-freaking believable. at least we know what
    "network security officers" really do: practice in
    stringing words together. weee...

    "the sky is blue. it's raining. i think i need an umbrella.
    maybe it will stop raining later. i think i'm getting hungry.
    maybe i should eat something. oh, look a puddle of water. i think
    i shouldn't step into it. i think that would leave a mess when i
    get back home. the air smells so fresh. i hope it's going to stop
    raining soo, this umbrealla is getting heavy. should i go for
    mc Donals or Burger king. i hope there will still be a seat free. ..."

  20. This almost looks like... by sarkeizen · · Score: 1

    it was generated by http://pdos.csail.mit.edu/scigen/.

    Except in fake papers and speeches by our college president have I heard something simple ( and trivial ) said in so many words.

  21. Marketing Speak Alert by sgt+scrub · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This article is nothing but crap marketing words designed to confuse the ignorant.

    Translation with missinformation: Hackers are now attacking vulnerabilities in applications.

    The trueth: Script Kiddies are learning how to attack vulnerabilities in applications thanks to frontend applications like Metasploit.

    What they don't know: Hackers designed layers 1-7.

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  22. Forms-based security by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Build plywood forms around the computer and pour concrete.

  23. Second endorsement by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Anyone who doesn't know about Bruce Schneier should check out his writings (he has several books out). He thinks to the bottom of things, recursively asking "what's the *real* problem?" until he gets to a real solution. I've tried to follow his example in my security blog for normal people.

  24. Meta-yes by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    It's not even enough to be a security generalist.

    After you've studied every facet of security, remember that some attacks come from backhoes and hurricanes. Learn about business continuity. Then instead of getting frustrated when security measures don't work, learn systems safety engineering to understand why. Study finance and risk management so you can have common ground for discussion with C-level managers. Maybe insurance is better than prevention in some cases.

  25. You're right, however... by jd · · Score: 1
    In order to implement risk management, you'd ned to learn about risk assessment and business modelling. Insurance would need a working knowledge of statistics, Operational Research (for the optimization) and related methods such as cost/benefit analysis. In order to effectively discuss with managers (and/or users), you really need good communications skills (including formal and informal writing skills, and presentation skills). In order to turn actual requirements into programmable implementations, you would also want to know Requirements Analysis and Systems Specifications. In order to test the final product, you'd also want to be up on Systems Validation and Code Auditing.


    At a very rough guess, I'd say that between the two of us, we could produce a text at least 20-30 (maybe 40) volumes long on what a security expert would need to know. Dunno how much you could add, but I could certainly manage the chapter titles and maybe even a little of the content we've listed so far.


    Of course, that does beg another question. Other than manufacturing portable Black Holes, what would anyone do with such a book even if written? It would be unlikely anyone would even try to read it, and I seriously doubt many people - even very bright people - could completely digest a text up to twice the size of the entire Oxford English Dictionary. On the other hand, if something like that were not written, data security won't noticeably improve and ignorance of the scope of the problem will remain.

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    1. Re:You're right, however... by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 1

      At a very rough guess, I'd say that between the two of us, we could produce a text at least 20-30 (maybe 40) volumes long on what a security expert would need to know. Dunno how much you could add, but I could certainly manage the chapter titles and maybe even a little of the content we've listed so far.

      Actually, I think this is the wrong approach. I think that a security expert only needs to read 3 or 4 volumes in their specific field. The idea that a single person can be a master of all areas of security is outdated and dangerous. To have good security you need an entire team that works well together. This means people who focus on the big picture such as overall network design, security policies, physical security, etc. Then you need people who are experts in the respective fields to implement them properly. Locksmiths/physical security companies to determine the locking systems that you require, and install them properly. Application administrators that can properly install and configure the enterprise level applicationss that you need. System/network administrators to get the systems connected and running properly. A forensic specialist(s) to handle the systems properly in the case of a break-in or other problem. Auditors for making sure things are done correctly. Lawyers. Accountants. Training staff. The list goes on.

      Sometimes it is the small things that people miss that can make the big difference. For example, a lot of people store "secret" company information in the overhead bins of their cubicals. Sure they lock, but most also lift off the cubical wall and allow access from the back. Most "security experts" would overlook that point. A physical security expert won't.

      This is why a lot of corporations hire outside companies to handle a lot of this work. A lot of it needs to be done once (such as facility security) or only periodically, such as an audit. So you hire an outside firm specializing in those areas to perform those activities.

      So, as I said, each expert needs to read a few volumes that are in their specific area and stop pretending to know it all.

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      Reading code is like reading the dictionary - you have to read half of it before you can go back and understand it.
  26. Re:An interesting read...signifying nothing by FractalZone · · Score: 1

    Yeah, the article is clearly marketing hype. All broad brush, loaded with scary terms couched in small technical-sounding (but relatively non-technical paragraphs by some VP of Marketing. Note the use of hanging "and,"s as paragraph breaks, lest some poor, ignorant exec's eyes glaze over at uninterrupted technobabble.

    I was rather amused at how the writer(s) sort of lost it, style wise. I found the fact that threat-scape was unquoted the first time it was used (at the end of a paragraph) while it was quoted as if it was a new term the second time it was used, in a short paragraph with yet another awkward transition at the end.

    All in all, what impressed me most about the authors is how they must have tried really, REALLY hard to sound knowledgeable but came across looking like wannabes as far as security expertise goes. We all know how well maintaining the appearance of being knowledgable works as far as actually securing systems goes.

    *SIGH* Time to reset the BS detector...

    FLASH!: I just remembered the image that came to mind when I was reading the article, trying to figure out what the basic message the authors were trying to convey is. Remember the Talking Barbie ads that got the jockey shorts of a few feminists in a bunch several years ago? If so, imagine Barbie whining, "Security is hard!"

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  27. Nothing.. by michelcultivo · · Score: 1

    Nothing!!! Absolutely nothing to see here! This post like http://www.google.com/search?&q=network+security