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Millions of King Crabs Turn Sea to Desert

Reporter writes "Russian biologist, Yuri Illarionovich Orlov, succeeded where Stalin failed by implanting the red king crabs into the Barents Sea. Except now, 40 years later, he's getting worried. Why? The giant crabs are clawing their way along the bottom of the Barents Sea are spreading like wildfire along the northern coasts of Russia and Norway and will continue to spread as far as Gibraltar, the southern tip of the European continent. How come? One female crab can lay 500,000 eggs at a time, of which one or two percent will become crabs. The kicker is that the species is protected by diplomatic accords between Norway and Russia, so fishing quotas are in place. From the article: "The Kamchatka crab, also known as the Alaskan or red king crab, was introduced into the Barents by the Soviets in the 1960s — some 30 years after a first, failed attempt by Stalin — in a bid to bolster Russia's food supplies. ... The crabs weigh up to 12 kilograms (26 pounds) and measure up to two meters (6.5 feet) from pincher to pincher. While they remain far from Europe's tourist beaches for the time being, their impact on the environment is already a major cause for concern in the Arctic"."

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  1. I have the solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    And it involves lot of butter ...

    1. Re:I have the solution! by Chapter80 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Millions of humans turn desert into dessert...

    2. Re:I have the solution! by clickclickdrone · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, just tell the Japanese they're funny looking whales. (the crabs, not the Japanese).

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    3. Re:I have the solution! by CrimsonScythe · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's a funny joke if you forget that the only other country in the world who do commercial whaling is indeed Norway. Actually, in Norway we hunt and kill primarily animals that other countries try to preserve, such as whales, seals, wolves, bears, etc.

      In related news, I expect the season on driving-in-the-middle-of-the-road-in-a-huge-ass-RV -at-20-mph German tourists to open in late August. Apparently they have to see ALL the nature we have here in order to get a decent ROI on their vacation. Taking into an account that gas costs more than fine wine here, you can't really blame them, though. And by "wine" I mean "blood wine". Made from whale blood. Or puny tourists. Kaplah!

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  2. A good way to lose weight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know that it is controversial with some dieticians, but I have had great success in keeping off the weight with the low-crab diet.

  3. Lower the quotas by Ekhymosis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Lower the quotas, bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway and problem solved. I hope.

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    1. Re:Lower the quotas by wertarbyte · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

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    2. Re:Lower the quotas by Ekhymosis · · Score: 3, Funny

      But what happens if the radiation forces a jump in evolution and they evolve into crabzilla or *shudder* politicians?

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    3. Re:Lower the quotas by Bogtha · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nah, they just need a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on crab meat.

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    4. Re:Lower the quotas by Aranth+Brainfire · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm completely in favor of aquatic gorillas.

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    5. Re:Lower the quotas by It's+Atomic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Would that violate UN sanctions against the use of Weapons for Mass Crustaceans (WMCs)?

    6. Re:Lower the quotas by GundamFan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      PETA is always annoyed, so that isn't a problem.

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    7. Re:Lower the quotas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh, you meant the *other* PETA. People for Eating Tasty Animals are a happier lot.

    8. Re:Lower the quotas by dangermouse · · Score: 5, Funny
      bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway

      Jesus. We want to wipe out the crabs, not the Russians and Norwegians.

    9. Re:Lower the quotas by Blob+Pet · · Score: 5, Funny

      For those who don't get the reference:

      Skinner: Well, I was wrong. The lizards are a godsend.

      Lisa: But isn't that a bit short-sighted? What happens when we're overrun by lizards?

      Skinner: No problem. We simply release wave after wave of Chinese needle snakes. They'll wipe out the lizards.

      Lisa: But aren't the snakes even worse?

      Skinner: Yes, but we're prepared for that. We've lined up a fabulous type of gorilla that thrives on snake meat.

      Lisa: But then we're stuck with gorillas!

      Skinner: No, that's the beautiful part. When wintertime rolls around, the gorillas simply freeze to death.

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    10. Re:Lower the quotas by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lower the quotas, bring in a Red Lobster chain in Russia and Norway and problem solved. I hope.

      Which shows the inevitable logic of environmental degredation, in which, like the old woman who swallowed a fly, every solution is a problem in its own right.

      To wit:

      (1) Introduce massive crabs to artic as food source.

      (2) Get overrun by crabs, and introduce an American food chain to, in effect, predate on them.

      (3) Demand for butter soars, bringing into the market additional dairy farm capabilities (which have environmental impacts in their own right).

      (4) Increase in butterfat consumption results in a raging epidemic of obesity.

      (5) Obesity epidemic leads to SUVs, lowered capacity on transportation like planes

      (6) Larger, lower capacity vehicles cause energy consumption to soar.

      (7) Rising energy prices lead to increased exploitation of arctic energy reserves.

      (8) Environmental impact from petroleum extraction finally solves the King Crab problem, but you're still left with a fat, butter scarfing populace.

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  4. Just Like My Ex-Girlfriend by Enderandrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Russia has a raging case of crabs!

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  5. Crab problem? by winmine · · Score: 4, Funny

    They should take a cue from Ancient Japan and flip them over and attack its weak point for MASSIVE DAMAGE.

  6. Lord of war by mfaras · · Score: 5, Funny

    I guess the guy was selling them weapons to kill all the sealife!

    Yuri Orlov is the guy from Lord Of War

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  7. Obligatory by megaditto · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, crabs get you.

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  8. Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by Hrshgn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Research already showed that those guys are quite temperature-sensitive. It is rather unlikely that they will be able to leave the artic water and reach as far as Gibraltar.

    1. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by arivanov · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It will be the same old story as the Black Sea and the Rapana sea snail in the 1970-es. Or the Elodea water weed and the european riverways in the late 19th century. These were thought to be the doom of all sea and water life respectively. It did not happen.

      Initially introduced species thrive and go through a growth explosion. After some time their growth drops and they stabilise at some level or even die out to a near extinction. There are multiple reasons for this. First of all nearly all introductions are done with a limited gene pool. If fresh blood is not introduced, problems from inbreeding will quickly erode the invaders advantage. For example the Rapana when introduced in the early 1970s in the Black Sea seamed invinsible. By mid 1990 it nearly disappeared.

      Even if the invader "vitality" is not lowered by inbreeding, the ecosystem still balances itself. Diseases adapt to new targets. Predators adapt to new victims. Life goes on until a new equilibrium is reached. End of the day invaders usually wipe out only species with which they are in a direct competition and which occupy the same ecological niche. Off the top of my head I cannot think of anything which occupies the same niche in the Arctic. Further south they will have to fight it with the common lobster. This will definitely suffer.

      Dunno, I have seen two such "doom" events in the Black Sea with the introduction of Rapana and Yellow Sea algae and they both came to pass. So will this if we do not poke it at the same time.

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    2. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by tancque · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They reproduce quite fast, so they only need a short time to adapt to the higher temperature via natural selection. And as the sea-bed will go to waste, the presure to move south will increase, promoting adaptation. It will be intresting to follow the process.

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    3. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tell that to Australia.

      Australia is living proof that these doomsday population explosions CAN AND DO HAPPEN.

      Just because it hasn't happened yet in the Black Sea doesn't mean it won't. Such logic is dangerous, and needs to be taken with a *huge* grain of salt.

      It's better to err on the side of caution. If you do so, the worst thing that could happen is that the crabs get fished into extinction in the region, and we end up being no worse off than when we started.

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    4. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by dalutong · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know of any water-based problems, but there have been plenty of stories of foreign species destroying local populations. The most recent story I've read is about poisonous toads in Western Australia that kills crocodiles (or is it alligators?) who eat them, and many other things. They now have so many they can't get rid of them.

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    5. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by lee7guy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, the aboriginals should have bashed the white devils heads in as soon as they sat foot on the "new" continent. The same goes for the native americans.

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    6. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by rmgrotkierii · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tell that to the Great Lakes with their problems with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamprey and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_mussel. Really wish they would die off. And I wouldn't want to drink from the Great Lakes either, especially from Lake Ontario - the open-air sewer for Rochester and Toronto. Though they are trying to clean the lakes up.

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    7. Re:Unlikely to reach Gibraltar by brewer13210 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Would you please tell this story to the Japanese beetles chewing my raspberries and roses down to nothing? Here in the North-East US there seems to be a never-ending supply of those litter buggers...

      Todd

  9. The solution by ChowRiit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite the fact it is suggested in jest above, the best solution to most pest problems normally IS a culinary one. These crabs are definately edible, crab is considered somewhat of a delicacy to many (personally, I'm not a fan, but there are loads who love it), so all you need is to agree to remove quoats on this particular animal, or some similar arrangement, between Norway and Russia (the most challenging part) and start to push crab meat as a new big seller in the area.

    New Scientist have an article on the subject of eating through invading species, although you'll need a subscription to read it: http://www.newscientist.com/channel/earth/mg187251 61.500.html

    1. Re:The solution by hazem · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I seem to recall an article on NPR once about the state of Louisianna issuing free cookbooks for cooking nutria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutria) because they were breeding so fast. They resemble a beaver with a rat's tail.

      The best I can find about it is: http://www.nutria.com/site9.php

  10. Always a bad idea by atomicstrawberry · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is just another entry in the long list of 'we probably shouldn't have introduced this species into this environment' stories. Kind of like introducing Rabbits into New Zealand, or Foxes into Australia, or a myriad of other examples. They end up thriving and taking over, to the detriment of the various species that were already there.

    1. Re:Always a bad idea by nosfucious · · Score: 5, Informative

      The rabbits that were introduced in to Australia have been an environmental nightmare.

      In certain conditions they populate so quickly you'll end up with a plague. The munch on all available grass and low level plants. Just leaving sand and soil behind. This valuable topsoil then gets blown away by wind or the occasional storm. Their burrows collapse and cause further run off problems after storms. Much of Australia doesn't have huge trees to bind the soil together. That's just one aspect.

      It only took a few rabbits too. Released just near Melbourne. Now they're all over the place.

      Mice (at times), Cane toads, Crown of Thorns starfish are all big problems. Foxes are a concern, but not on the same scale, or is that Tassie only? Domestic and stray cats are just as bit a problem in outer suburban/semi-rural areas, going after the native birds and small animals.

      All systems will find an equilibrium. Trouble is, that (nearly) isolated systems such as Australia don't have the natrual competitors for introduced species. They would form over time, just not in the short term that we live in and see. Foxes were introduced to try and get the rabbits, Cane Toads to get the Prickly Pear. They just caused thier own problems.

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    2. Re:Always a bad idea by Like2Byte · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let's talk about the solution the Aussies took to rid themselves of the rabbits - Biological Warfare.

      The decision to use rodent specific biological warfare (rabbit specific viruses and diseases) is debatable. However, one thing is certain - the rabbits and the viruses/diseases were all "contained" within the continent of Australia.

      Using biological warfare against these crabs would be a very bad idea. Oceanic currents would easily carry any bacteria/virus/agent all over the oceans of the world. Non-invasive, non-targetted species would be affected and potentially decimated by, once again, 'man playing God.'

      I've got to agree with the first significant post on this thread: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191060 &cid=15711090.

      If countries were to lift quotas in certain regions for a while we could fish them to extinction in areas the crabs don't belong. Then there's the bonus of eating all that delicious crab meat!

  11. Re:ok... by OneManCongaLine · · Score: 2, Funny

    But Marine Biologists are Nerds too! ...or at the very least, I'm a Nerdy Marine Biologist you insensitive clod!

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  12. Desert? by Threni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Only according to someone who catches fish, not someone with any kind of credibility. I think you need some double-quotes in there:

    Millions of King Crabs "Turn Sea to Desert"

  13. Re:How do they catch them then? by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Informative

    True nerds watch the Discovery channel. They did a whole thing on Alaskan crab fisherman the past 2 years. YOu catch crabs in metal pots.

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  14. HUGE! by famebait · · Score: 4, Funny

    The crabs weigh up to 12 kilograms (26 pounds) and measure up to two meters (6.5 feet) from pincher to pincher.

    -and this increases every time the story is told.

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  15. Crabs == oil by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Research already showed that those guys are quite temperature-sensitive. It is rather unlikely that they will be able to leave the artic water and reach as far as Gibraltar.

    It doesn't matter so much. For various reasons, including elevated water temperatures, fish stocks are gone from the sea quite far north. The crabs have been encroaching on the regions containing the last commericial stocks. Even Bergen and Trondheim, which were once great fishing ports, are dead and tropic species are occasionally sighted in the waters.

    With the quotas preventing the harvesting of the crabs, they are spreading more widely and more rapidly at an accelerating pace. Eventually the population will level off, but not before the last of the fish stock is ruined. The crabs pretty much wipe all organic matter from the bottom, especially tasty fish eggs. Without the eggs, there are no new fish. Without the fish, no fishing. Without the fishing, there will be no monied interests hindering oil drilling in the Barents.

    The Norwegians are in a hard place because of the oil and their ties to the petro dollar. They also can't risk pissing of the last western military power, Russia, over the oil either. They will eventually lose that game, unless they deal with the crabs. Open season and no catch limits on the crabs would give several enviromental and economic boosts to the region. They're quite good eating and can be sold for food, decimating them would help the fishing, but the crabs are just as good as materials for biofuels.

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    1. Re:Crabs == oil by gurutc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Aren't these the same crabs that make rich men out of entire crews who risk their lives working on fishing boats in Alaska?

      At my local grocer, I can buy a pound of king crab when it's on sale for around $20. I figure a 55 gallon barrel of these guys would weigh close to 500 pounds. Barrel of Sweet Light Crude goes for about $70. Barrel of Sweet Light Crab goes for $10,000. Hmmm... Is there some secret crab cartel, the Alaskan subsidiary of DeBeers, or maybe the Illuminati, arti-fish-ally controlling the market of my favorite crustacean?

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    2. Re:Crabs == oil by ivan256 · · Score: 3, Informative

      the point is that you don't have to eat them

      I think the point was that he wants to eat them.

      I know I do. They're delicious.

    3. Re:Crabs == oil by aztec+rain+god · · Score: 4, Funny

      Now now, we cant be throwing food away!!

      Man (to Waitress): Morning!
      Waitress (In drag as a bit of a rat-bag): Morning!
      Man: Well, what've you got?
      Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and crab;
                          egg bacon and crab; egg bacon sausage and crab; crab bacon sausage
                          and crab; crab egg crab crab bacon and crab; crab sausage crab crab
                          bacon crab tomato and crab;
      Vikings (starting to chant): Crab crab crab crab...
      Waitress: ...crab crab crab egg and crab; crab crab crab crab crab crab baked
                          beans crab crab crab...
      Vikings (singing): Crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab!
      Waitress: ...or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a
                          Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with
                          truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and crab.
      Wife: Have you got anything without crab?
      Waitress: Well, there's crab egg sausage and crab, that's not got much crab in
                          it.
      Wife: I don't want ANY crab!
      Man: Why can't she have egg bacon crab and sausage?
      Wife: THAT'S got crab in it!
      Man: Hasn't got as much crab in it as crab egg sausage and crab, has it?
      Vikings: Crab crab crab crab (crescendo through next few lines)
      Wife: Could you do the egg bacon crab and sausage without the crab then?
      Waitress: Urgghh!
      Wife: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like crab!
      Vikings: Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!)
      Waitress: Shut up!
      Vikings: Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!
      Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon
                          crab and sausage without the crab.
      Wife (shrieks): I don't like crab!
      Man: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your crab. I love it.
                          I'm having crab crab crab crab crab crab crab beaked beans crab crab
                          crab and crab!
      Vikings (singing): Crab crab crab crab. Lovely crab! Wonderful crab!
      Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.
      Man: Well could I have her crab instead of the baked beans then?
      Waitress: You mean crab crab crab crab crab crab... (but it is too late and
                          the Vikings drown her words)
      Vikings (singing elaborately): Crab crab crab crab. Lovely crab! Wonderful
                          crab! Crab craa-a-a-a-a-ab crab cra-a-a-a-a-ab crab. Lovely crab!
                          Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Lovely crab! Crab crab
                          crab crab!

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  16. Error in the original post by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Corrected: Millions of king crabs turn sea to dessert

  17. It's Iron Chef time by Vengeance · · Score: 3, Funny

    Today's secret ingredient is: *dramatic pause* *dramatic pose* CRAB INFESTATION!

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  18. Re:How do they catch them then? by trewornan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Crab traps are known as "pots" - it's a technical term, and yes, mostly they're made of metal.

  19. Deadliest Catch by 1WingedAngel · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Discovery Channel had a wonderful show on last season about these very crabs called The Deadliest Catch. It was definitely worth watching.

    1. Re:Deadliest Catch by dafz1 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm glad someone mentioned Deadliest Catch! I love that show!

      As a country seemingly lacking in AVAILABLE natural resource(oil in Siberia under miles of permafrost in inhospitable conditions isn't available), this could be a boon for the Russian economy. Also, with the introduction of crab quotas, there are a lot of out of work crab boat captains and crew in Alaska. Since they run so close to the Pacific side of Russia, I think most of them would be ok with "fishing" the Barents Sea.

      The downside is that this would lead to a price war, if the Russian king crab were put on the global market, which would further negatively affect the Alaskan crab fleet.

    2. Re:Deadliest Catch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I am astounded that you can suggest that a) Russia lacks in available natural resources, particularly oil or b) Alaskan boats sail to the Barents Sea from the Pacific

      Russia is the third largest oil producer in the world.

      To get to the Barents Sea from Alaska, you would either have to sail south past California and Mexico, through the Panama canal, through the Gulf of Mexico and north accross the Atlantic past Iceland; or walk accross the Artic Ice; or sail across the Pacific, South past the Philipines, around India and through the Indian Ocean, through the Suez, the Mediterrean, and the North up the Atlantic.

      You see, Russia stretches 11 time zones, nearly half way around the world, and the two seas in question are at opposite ends, basically on different sides of the globe.

  20. 500,000 eggs at a time by corngrower · · Score: 2, Funny
    One female crab can lay 500,000 eggs at a time, of which one or two percent will become crabs.

    So what do the other 98% of the eggs become, if not crabs?

    1. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

      So what do the other 98% of the eggs become, if not crabs?

      It's not often you see these two words together but 'scary omlette'.

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    2. Re:500,000 eggs at a time by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A snack for other sea critters.

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  21. Silly rabbit by krell · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't knock the Australian rabbit plague. Got rid of all that damned Trix cereal, yes it did.

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  22. Re:How do they catch them then? by maxpublic · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, cages or baskets. They're called crab pots, but they aren't actually pots.

    You can do this yourself off the coast of many places in the U.S.; all you need is a) a boat (a small boat will do, such as a speedboat); b) an open-topped cage or metal basket; and c) chum (fish heads, fish guts). The fish heads/guts go into the 'pots', usually on hooks so they don't come loose. The pots are attached to ropes (anything that doesn't rot), and the ropes are attached to small buoys. You lay a dozen or so pots at a time; by the time you've put down the last one you're ready to go back to the first, which you can easily spot care of the brightly-colored buoy.

    So you zip on back and begin hauling on the rope as fast as you can. You do this because at this point any crab within smelling distance of the chum has crawled into the pot to eat the fish guts and gets a bit upset if the pot starts rising through the water. By pulling up the rope quickly you use the pressure of the water to keep the crab from climbing out of the pot. Keep this up until the pot surfaces, bring it into the boat, and pick out the crabs you want to eat. Throw everything else back. Repeat this process for the next ten or eleven lines. If you want A LOT of crabs and you don't have a small limit you can lay the pot again as soon as you empty it, then play round-robin until you get tired.

    This is the recreational way of crabbing. The commercial way is generally far more efficient. Both result in good eating.

    Max

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  23. my supermarket is lame :-( by r00t · · Score: 3, Funny

    No nutria. Just beef, pork, chicken, turkey, and seafood.

    I get hungry when I visit the zoo. Tasting is prohibited I think.

  24. Re:Zebra mussels in the Great Lakes by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd agree with you, the first couple winters of the mussel invasion of Green Bay we had massive beaches (6 feet high drifts for 30 feet out) of dead and rotting mussels. But before that we had a lot of big freshwater clams...which are now gone. To me it looks like the mussels killed off the native clams, then died down to a level equivalent to the original clams somehow, either by body volume or nutrition requirements. The mussels are still there and will cut your feet if you swim barefoot. The water is also much clearer and the familiar giant mats of green muck are gone. Fish still seem to be around, but I never fished and don't know if it's worse. Overall it did improve the bay for boating and shore activities...it used to be a browny-green opaque soup but now it's sparkling blue.

  25. Re:Why Must I Be A Crustacean In Love by Gadgetfreak · · Score: 2, Funny

    C'mon, he's on Slashdot and quoting Zoidberg's line about his inability to get laid. You probably don't need to ask that question.

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