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Intel To Lay Off 1000 Managers

sprash writes to mention a Forbes article about an Intel cost-cutting measure. In response to stiff competition from AMD, the company is laying off 1000 managerial positions. From the article: "In April, Intel reported a 38 percent drop in first-quarter profit as demand slackened for PCs and microprocessors from AMD continued to steal market share. That same month, Chief Executive Paul Otellini vowed to spend the next 90 days identifying underperforming business groups and cost inefficiencies in an effort to save the company $1 billion a year. He said he planned to make changes as his analysis progressed, rather than waiting until the end of his review."

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  1. Only the First Shoe to Drop by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In my experience it's middle-managers who go first, then after consolidating groups and departments, headcount follows. If this is 1% of Intel's workforce then there's likely 5% or more to follow, which would be 5,000 or more when the next boot hits the Linoleum.

    It's inevitable when a business loses a significant amount of market share and only the most ignorant Intel employee wouldn't see this coming. I wish them luck. This is probably more a move to maintain profitability and stock value (got to convince those anaylists on Wall Street you're minding your P's and Q's) than "streamlining for growth", which is exactly what you hear when they are doing major houseclearing no matter whether the house is merely smoldering or engulfed in flames.

    The pity is those most responsible rarely are held to account for keeping a business trundling along only to be blindsided something some from the inside saw coming, but weren't taken very seriously (Yamhill). Intel may pare their losses, but they'll never enjoy 90% market dominance again.

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    1. Re:Only the First Shoe to Drop by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Interesting

      7 more shoes to go? (as in huge octopus?)

      I worked for a company that went through 7 rounds of layoffs in about 14 months. They started with paring away a few middle managers, including mine, to "streamline" the company. It did anything but that. The remaining rounds were hacking away at necessary people until there were only keystones left. When suddenly a customer (Hint: Think big computer company in Austin, TX) proclaimed they were happy with the level of service they were getting and wanted to step it up, which would have put the company very far into the black, the executives had to confess they no longer had sufficient staff to handle the load. The customer elected to dump us and that was all she wrote.

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  2. Where are those anti-trust advocates now? by dada21 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I remember over the years how a bunch of the regular mods used to mod me down as troll when I defended Intel against the "they're a monopoly!" posts. For the newbs here, Intel in the past was right up there with Microsoft now, IBM in the 90s, GM in the 80s, etc. Intel wasn't a monopoly, they were just a very aggressive company with a great marketing system, great support, great products and happy customers. As I said many times (I wish I could dial back to quote my old posts), Intel's future would be as shortlived as IBMs was, as Atari's was, as GM's was -- there is no need to start screaming anti-trust! anti-trust! when a company you don't like seems like they'll never fall. I said Intel would have its down days, just as I say today that someone will beat Microsoft fair and square some day, too.

    Here are some posts that I recall people talking about Intel being a "bad monopoly," looking back in recent slashdot times:

    Timeline Set for Intel/AMD Antitrust Trial
    Intel and Skype Exclude AMD
    AMD Files Antitrust Lawsuit Against Intel
    Japanese Government Raids Intel Tokyo Offices
    AMD Alleges Intel Compilers Create Slower AMD Code

    Of course, some people will defend their "Intel is a monopoly" belief by saying they're not really a monopoly, they just engage in anti-competitive practices. Like what? Lowering prices below market value? That is _good_ for consumers because NO business can sell for a loss forever -- the minute that they raise their prices after they've wiped the competition clean, new competition will turn up the beat them down again. It has to be good prices, good quality hardware and good quality support -- if they want to give items away, let them. The other anti-competitive practice we hear about is how they "force" suppliers to buy bundles or maintain a certain ratio of items sold to branded items bought. Again, this is all acceptable if the contract stipulates these situations -- most suppliers are happy to sign agreements if they know what the customers want.

    I'm glad to see these big companies fall because they're all colluding with the various governments to maintain their power through what I consider negative rights -- copyright, patents and ridiculous mandates requiring their products. Some even have defense contracts. They fall because the customer decided -- there are no natural monopolies as long as the customer is given the opportunity to make their decisions. The market will decide the victor, and the victor won't be on top for long.

    1. Re:Where are those anti-trust advocates now? by GlassHeart · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Lowering prices below market value? That is _good_ for consumers because NO business can sell for a loss forever -- the minute that they raise their prices after they've wiped the competition clean, new competition will turn up the beat them down again.

      You are wrong. Every business has a barrier to entry, and a new entrant always risks losing the resources they spent overcoming that barrier. If a monopolist is allowed to sell below cost to get rid of a competitor, it creates a chilling effect even if they later raise their prices. A new competitor must consider what happens if the monopolist does it again, and if the barrier to entry is already high (a fab, for example), the competitor will think twice and walk away instead.

      Sure, if competitors keep showing up, the monopolist cannot withstand the losses forever. However, everybody except the last competitor who dethrones the monopolist loses, and nobody wants to be cannon fodder.

    2. Re:Where are those anti-trust advocates now? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Intel wasn't a monopoly, they were just a very aggressive company with a great marketing system, great support, great products and happy customers.

      I won't argue against the description in the last half of this sentence, but you are on a dangerous crack/heroine mix if you think Intel wasn't a monopoly in desktop PC processors.

      As I said many times (I wish I could dial back to quote my old posts), Intel's future would be as shortlived as IBMs was, as Atari's was, as GM's was -- there is no need to start screaming anti-trust! anti-trust! when a company you don't like seems like they'll never fall. I said Intel would have its down days, just as I say today that someone will beat Microsoft fair and square some day, too.

      I wouldn't light the candles on your "The market's Invisible Hand has proven me right!" cake yet.

      First, what even makes you think this vindicates your "not a monopoly, market corrects itself magically" position? This is not the first time Intel has layed off workers. This is not the first time they have had a large downturn in revenue.

      Second, what is the only reason you could come close to saying that Intel has lost their monopoly position? AMD.

      Who would not exist were it not for the restraints placed on Intel by anti-trust laws? AMD.

      It would have been so easy for Intel to kill off AMD if they could have used their position with impunity. They could have "cut off the air supply" of AMD in a way that would have made Bill Gates weep. Microprocessors are not like operating systems. There is a very real and very expensive investment in manufacturing facilities necessary. If Intel had, say, given the OEMs the ultimatum to stop selling AMD or pay double for Intel parts after AMD had built and bought the equipment for their Fab 30 in Dresden but before it started shipping parts for revenue, AMD would have gone bankrupt in a year. Some OEMs may have defected, but not enough to keep AMD's afloat. AMD had neither the marketshare nor the market credibility nor the manufacturing capacity to be a replacement for Intel. Ergo, they would have gone with Intel. Bye, bye, AMD. Bye, bye, dada's smug assurance that the market sorts everything out.

      Even as it was, limited as they were by their fear of anti-trust action (and I interned there; believe me Intel was definitely scared of anti-trust action and made a point of listing all the things they'd like to do but can't because of it), Intel still used their position to hurt AMD. They have been giving sweetheart deals and cooperative marketing dollars to OEMs based not on how many Intel parts were sold, but on how few non-Intel parts were sold. That's literally anti-competitive.

      It's great to think that the consumer will simply choose an alternative if some dominant force becomes too abusive. The reality is that they can only choose an alternative if one exists, and they will not shift instantly. If they don't shift fast enough to keep that alternative alive, the alternative goes away and then where are you? That's right: back in monopoly land.

      I know you think that all monopolies can only exist if they are government enforced, but reality says that monopolies can exist and be quite stable for a long time, and that the very nature of their power allows them to make their position more stable. I will even hypothetically grant that eventually any monopoly must fail, but "Eventually may recover from years or decades of horrible stagnation" is not a great advertisement for the Laisse Faire system. The fact is that monopolies are both a stable point and broken corner case of free markets, and having reasonable restrictions on the actions of monopolies is a good thing -- because it grants the little upstart who otherwise could be easily and legally crushed a chance to build up and face off against the behemoth. Alternatives don't just spring from the ether and they don't just sustain themselves on their impassioned belief in the free market. Especially not in an industry with barriers to entry as large as microprocessors.

      Sorry, but Intel is a perfect example of why anti-trust is a good thing.

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  3. Unlike other companies... by Alizarin+Erythrosin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unlike the company I work for that creates an entire new layer of management, then does layoffs for all its technical (read: non-management) workers.

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  4. IANAIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I Am Not An Intel Manager. But I do work there. I can say that there are way too many managers and that this action is required :-)

    I can not count the number of managers that have two or three people reporting to them. There are^H^H^Hwere managers who have never worked in the field they manage. I say that before becoming a manager you should have years of experience doing the things that the people you manage do.

    Paul Ottelini rocks!

    1. Re:IANAIM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I am not an Intel manger either, but I am an Intel employee, and was a first level manager until quite recently.

      I had less than half a dozen people working for me throughout my entire multi-year tenure as an Intel manager, which was fine by me: I could give them all the attention they needed and it didn't consume more than 30% of my time, so I could STILL do my full-time individual contributor job, which is what's expected of first level managers at Intel.

      I was, as most first level managers are, a working manager. What concerns me most about this move is the assertion that we're losing about 1000 managers. We're probably only going to lose about 700 FTE's of management work, and we'll then lose about 500 FTE's worth of senior technical people with a ton of tribal knowledge, extensive social networks within the company, and years of delivering proven results. Yes, the numbers don't add up to 1000--managers at Intel tend to wear a ton of hats, put in a ton of unpaid overtime, and go the extra mile. Some don't, but I have firsthand knowledge that those folks aren't the only ones losing their jobs this month.

  5. 10% cut? by kripkenstein · · Score: 5, Informative

    TFA says:

    ... predicting Intel would reduce its work force by more than 10,000 employees

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    ...Intel had about 100,000 employees

    So, the 1,000 managers will be followed by some 9,000 more, for a total of about 10% of the workforce - if the predictions / estimations are correct. If so, then this is very significant.

    I personally know three people who worked at Intel, one who still does. All worked in the same division, so this isn't a representative sample. But all of them saw money thrown around quite freely, including on hardware and on salaries (which are among the highest in the area here). I hope they tried to cut other things before they started firing.

    1. Re:10% cut? by flooey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I personally know three people who worked at Intel, one who still does. All worked in the same division, so this isn't a representative sample. But all of them saw money thrown around quite freely, including on hardware and on salaries (which are among the highest in the area here). I hope they tried to cut other things before they started firing.

      Well, I don't think it's that simple. If you reduce employee benefits, you risk having some of your best people (the people who could most easily get jobs elsewhere) start leaving. By having a layoff, you're hopefully going to be getting rid of some of your worst people. So, it may be wiser (from a business perspective) to lay off people rather than cut benefits, even though it's not very nice.

    2. Re:10% cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      My manager was just laid off (I'm a blue badge).

      It's not that he is incompetent, just redundant. I have meetings with his boss at least monthly, and so do the other engineers and managers on my team.

      If someone is necessary, they will not fire them. This guy was smart, but useless in his position. He would be equally useless elsewhere, because his technical skills were replaced with corporate management BS - and he's only a 2nd-level manager.

      Intel will be weird for the next 3-6 months.

    3. Re:10% cut? by pluther · · Score: 5, Interesting
      When I've seen layoffs good people often do depart because being in a company, never knowing if you're next to clean desk, is very stressful.

      And Intel tends to do layoffs in waves. So, instead of just laying off everybody they're going to all at once, they'll get rid of loads of contractors first, then middle-management, then two or three passes through regular employees. So, whenever they have a layoff, everyone there knows to expect another soon.

      When I worked for Intel, I updated my resume after the first couple of rounds, just to be ready. Since I had gone through all the trouble of updating it, I went ahead and posted it to a couple of job sites. Recruiters found it, and found me a much better job. So I left. It was probably about 50/50 whether I would have kept my job there if I hadn't.

      And, yeah, this wasn't a surprise. I've got a few friends who still work for Intel, and they've mentioned hearing rumours of an upcoming VSP for a couple of months now.

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    4. Re:10% cut? by Monkelectric · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Yes, I've been through this as well. The company makes people nervous, and all of your *TOP* talent leaves because they're top talent, they can get a job anywhere. You loose signifigant domain knowledge with those people. Then the middle teir starts leaving under the stress of having to do *ALL* the work (remember: the bottom does very little work). Eventually you are left with a few middle teir people, and everyone who never should have worked for you in the first place.

      I find layoffs to be a logical fallicy. Unless you are reducing your product lines, or support, or sustaining engineering ... Then you're either saying "We are overstaffed and therefore fuckups" or you're saying, "We plan to abuse our current employees into doing more work." Either way, a sign taht the end is coming.

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    5. Re:10% cut? by JanneM · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So if layoffs end up scaring off all the great employees, how should a company get rid of its worst employees? I only ask this as idle speculation.

      By and large, I don't think it's possible to really purge an organization of the worst people (apart from the tautology that there always are "worst people" no matter how good everyone is). I strongly suspect that there's a deeper dynamic going on that makes them as neccesarily present as the inevitable few stars.

      No matter what kind of performance review or ability measure you apply, most of the "worst people" (assuming actual substandard performers, not grading on a curve) will pass anyway. Remember, these people came through the hiring process intact; a review and examination rather more thourough than any summary performance report while at work. And after they've been at work for some time, they have contacts, friends, nowledge of the internal process and so on that makes it even more difficult to find and target them (to the exclusion of the people you want to keep).

      And this of course leads into the essential deficiency of performance reviews: do they actually measure what you're after? The actual individual output of lines of code or whatever really isn't what the company is all about after all. If you focus too myopically you risk microoptimizing your employees to the detriment of the organization as a whole.

      For example, some of the bad performers that pass anyway do so because they're likeable, have a wide net of contacts, keep up with the office gossip, maybe party animals always ready to suggest a department out on the town. Those people are in reality doing a hugely important job (without being aware of it). They are providing a lot of the social grease necessary to have the department work reasonably wel despite plenty of strong-willed, socially clumsy (but excellent) workers. Get rid of them, and you'll see a productivity decrease among the other staff instead; and probably one that more than offsets what you gained. Not until another amiable screwup is transferred to the office will productivity go up again.

      Performance reviews really should probably be at a departmental, not an individual, level, and largely ignore individuals. And with a team performing at a substandard level (and after you've ascertained it's not because of the nature of the projects they're involved in), you should probably focus on finding the group dynamic reasons for it and look for ways to improve it, either by transfer in (or out) people, or in extreme cases to split the group and integrate the members in other groups instead. Note that the head of the group or depratment too is a member and does not have sole responsibility (though of course more individual responsibility than the other members).

      And the real disastrous employees, well, don't worry about them; you don't need reviews to find them, and rarely an excuse to get rid of them. Just wait until the police, fire department or the CDC has identified the idiot who caused the whole mess and get rid of them.

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  6. CxO pay cuts? by DAldredge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much of a pay cut will the Board of Directors and CxO's take?

  7. Here is the internal email... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here is the internal email from Intel CEO sent to all top level managers. This is sourced from a relative that has been working there since the 1970's.

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    From: Otellini, Paul
    Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:14 AM
    Subject: An important and difficult step: Manager reductions

    To: All Intel employees

    This week we're taking an important and difficult step in our efficiency project: reducing the number of Intel managers by about 1,000 people worldwide. Only managers, ranging from senior to first-line, are affected. This step is important because it addresses a key problem we've found in our efficiency analysis--slow and ineffective decision-making, resulting, in part, from too many management layers. It is difficult because the managers who will leave the company are our colleagues and friends, and since we have limited internal job opportunities, redeploying their skills is not a viable option.

    We are notifying the majority of impacted employees on Thursday and Friday this week, and (except where a country's laws require different steps and timelines) we plan to have all affected employees informed by Monday, July 17. In the U.S., most employees' last day of work will be July 28, and their benefits will include a minimum of about three months' separation pay (and more for lengths of service over two years). In other regions the process and benefits will differ. While we can't eliminate the impact to these employees, we're committed to offering them support during this difficult time.

    This manager reduction is one of the first major actions coming out of our structure and efficiency project, and I believe it's an essential first step toward making us more competitive. Over the last five years at Intel, the number of managers has grown faster than our overall employee population. Our efficiency analysis and industry benchmarking have shown that we have too many management layers, top to bottom, to be effective.

    In addition, this finding is consistent with what our organizational health surveys have suggested: that the relative increase in management has impaired decision-making and communication, reducing the company's efficiency and productivity. Many of you have made the same point in your individual inputs to the efficiency team.

    As I've said in previous Webcasts, one of the outcomes of the structure and efficiency project is that we'll be a leaner and more agile company. We'll make quicker decisions, collaborate better across the company, and enable a cost structure that allows us to continue to win in our extremely competitive industry as it evolves.

    This manager action is one step along that path. Another was the decision to sell our communications and applications processor business to Marvell. We'll continue to identify other opportunities, act on each one as soon as we can, and tell you about the changes as soon as possible. I'll talk more about this and our business priorities in my employee Webcast on July 19 at 4 p.m. Pacific time.

    In April I said that we had decided not to do an immediate "across the board" layoff, because that would be reactionary - focused only on the current environment rather than the long term strategic needs of our company. Instead, we chose to undertake a longer, more comprehensive project to analyze all of our operations and make strategic, data-driven decisions. That is still our plan. This manager reduction was the result of careful assessments of the management and leadership roles we need for our future success. We are in the process of fundamentally changing our behaviors and our structure for where our business and industry are going. You should expect that we will continue to take actions, including selective reductions, as we complete analyses and decisions about investments, expense levels and organizational structures. You should also keep in mind that at the end of this process we will still be the largest and most profitable semiconductor company on earth. Our actions are focused on ensuring tha