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When Consoles Lose, Everyone Wins

Ground Glass writes "Does the traditional knowledge that 'history is written by the winners' hold true with consoles? Perhaps, but there's more to it than that. Sometimes, systems that fail do so because their most salient concept was one no one was ready for - these provide future 'innovations'. Sometimes their loudest message was one only a niche group would ever want to listen to - they provide much needed perspective. In an early medium, the failures are the ones questioning what a game should be. It's no wonder the winners keep writing their ideas back in."

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  1. Everything Evolves by Real+World+Stuff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The value to any one person is based on perception. If you perceive worth, then it is valuable.

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  2. Dreamcast by Durrok · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a great console. First to have online gameplay (for all 4-5 games that had it) and it was night vs day compared to the PS1. Too bad piracy, Sega pissing off EA, and a multitude of other problems caused it's downfall. It served it's purpose and paved the way for what we have today but think about what the world might be like if Sega was still in the console business...

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    1. Re:Dreamcast by Duds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well let's look at Wii, Super Mario eleventy billion, Zelda - now he's even more gay, Pokemon shopping mall, Kirby goes to the park.

      And PS3. Gran Turismo 5 - The AI still sucks, Metal Gear Movie 56, now with 3 minutes of actual game, Generic FPS everyone wets themselves over 105, hillarious gore instead of gameplay 12, Rainbow 6 "6".

      Wow, that was boring.

      (Note - I don't believe any of this. Just illustrating how stupid the parent post really is)

  3. Just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That zonk's bias isn't towards the 360, but rather consoles. I don't mind his stories, and neither do most people. The ps3 fanbois just cry a lot because it's all bad news about their consoles. They never stopped to consider that it's simply because there's no _good_ news about their infamous ps3.

    1. Re:Just goes to show... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, just like those damned journalists who keep on suggesting that everything in Iraq isn't going great and that there may be instability in Iraq! They shouldn't be saying anything inflamatory like the truth! They should be sticking with mere truthiness, repeating what the President says, that we're standing down as Iraq continues to stand up.

      It may be inflamatory to say true things to people, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true. Sony is hopelessly arrogant about the PS3, Blu-ray has proven to be less stable and look worse than HD-DVD, Sony is having terrible yield problems with the cell, and they're not sure they'll be able to ramp production up to a mere 200,000 units a month before November. Yeah, if you're a hopeless Sony fanboi, that may be inflamatory, just like die-hard Bush fans might find it inflamatory when people suggest invading Iraq wasn't the best idea in the history of the United States.

      Doesn't make it any less true.

  4. Re:The purpose of underdogs? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, two issues there. The first is Nintendo making a cool console that has appeal. That's the gimmick that I mention. I don't think Nintendo is really trying to change the industry (thoug hI'm sure they wouldn't mind) -- I think they are trying to define a space for themselves. I happen to think they'll succeed. I personally will buy a Wii, not because I think it will be the best console, but because it's cheaper and it's a game console, not a media center. True-to-form for the industry.

    This brings me to your second point, which I think is very valid -- Sony and MS have chosen to focus on too much more than games. If anything, Nintendo's innovation here is that they are returning to the roots of consoles -- providing a way for people to have fun playing video games.

    Maybe feature bloat is killing the big consoles.

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  5. Re:The purpose of underdogs? by digitrev · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I think they are trying to define a space for themselves.


    It's true. All Nintendo wants to do is ensure that they don't go out of business. They realize that they don't have the resources that MS and Sony have to throw around in research and development. Since both of those will probably out power (statistically) anything Nintendo can through, they're taking the third road, not compete. By flat out removing themselves from the competition, they stay alive. They're attempting to cater to a different brand of gamers, the "casual", and the "classic". With the innovations, they're going to get people who are otherwise afraid of the scary controllers of the Cube, Box, and PS2. And by bringing in the backwards compatibility, they're keeping the die-hard gamers who want their Super Mario Bros. 3. And of course there's the sales they'll get just by being Nintendo. They're not trying to be different, they have to be different.
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  6. Re:The purpose of underdogs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I certainly agree, but the issue I have is when people base a console solely be its processing power (Re: "despite the inferiority of their machine"). The general public has been duped into believing that more polygons=better system.

    It's not hardware alone that makes a gaming console. I would say that the games themselves play a bigger role in my purchasing decision. Blue-Ray, HDD's, and all that fancy jazz are, at least in my opinion, just filler attempting to make up for inferior games.

    Nintendo will probably stick around solely for the ability to make good, and more importantly, fun games. Throw in the curiosity factor with the (oi...the name makes me cringe) WiiMote, and you have a company that's going to be a big player this round.

  7. Amigas? by stnf · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Though by popular definition you might well call them failures, without your Sega Saturns, your Atari Jaguars, your Amigas and GameCubes and NeoGeo Pocket Colors, the industry would be an autocracy, governed by a single dictate - indeed, one of limited perspective and shallow, if broad, concern for growth.
    Surely not the Amiga 500? Maybe I'm biased as I'm european though =)