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"iSCSI killer" Native in Linux

jar writes "First came Fibre Channel, then iSCSI. Now, for the increasingly popular idea of using a network to connect storage to servers, there's a third option called ATA over Ethernet (AoE). Upstart Linux developer and kernel contributor Coraid could use AoE shake up networked storage with a significantly less expensive way to do storage -- under $1 per Gigabyte. Linux Journal also has a full description of how AoE works." Note that the LJ article is from last year; the news story is more recent.

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  1. Re:Will it catch on? by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 3, Informative
    For a start, it's a specification from Coraid, not an industry standard.

    I don't know that this is true, because the LinuxJournal article directly contradicts it. (Unless I'm misreading it.) Here's what the LJ says:

    ATA over Ethernet is a network protocol registered with the IEEE as Ethernet protocol 0x88a2.

    So, it looks like the protocol has been officially registered and was granted approval by the IEEE--so that makes it an industry standard. It may not be adopted yet, but it's certainly not something like 802.11 pre-n or anything; there's an official and approved protocol.

  2. Re:Will it catch on? by hpa · · Score: 4, Informative
    So, it looks like the protocol has been officially registered and was granted approval by the IEEE--so that makes it an industry standard. It may not be adopted yet, but it's certainly not something like 802.11 pre-n or anything; there's an official and approved protocol.

    Anyone can register a protocol number with IEEE by paying a $1000 fee. It doesn't mean it's a protocol endorsed by IEEE in any shape, way or form.

  3. Re:Reliability by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 3, Informative
    People often forget there is a considerable difference in the reliability of ATA drives versus SCSI. If you are going to use some sort of ATA based SAN be prepared for disk failures much sooner than if they were SCSI.

    This is not necessarily true. It all depends on how your network storage is being used. SCSI drives are built and firmware'd for the sole purpose of running a server, and they consistently beat any ATA drive (be it IDE or Serial) when it comes to server performance and reliability. ATA drives just aren't built to handle the sort of usage a server requires--note that this isn't a reflection of quality, but of purpose. But a file server (which is the only thing the SAN would be used for) requires much less robust firmware than a server housing MySQL, PHP, maybe a CRM suite, e-mail server, etc.--and so ATA drives shouldn't immediately be ruled as less reliable. The maturity of the technology plays a more important role than the interface.

  4. Re:Another "Killer" by wasabii · · Score: 4, Informative

    AoE is a networked block device technology. NFS and Samba are network file system. One is about making block level access to a device available over the network, the other is about making file operations available.

    In the case of AoE, a single remote block device can be shared between multiple systems. Each client could issue it's own write/reads. in combination with a distributed file system, each node could mount the same FS.

    It's the same as NBD, iSCSI, Shared SCSI, and Fiber Channel.

  5. ATAoE is a crock, it's no better than iSCSI by NekoXP · · Score: 3, Informative

    So. Coraid has not, in a whole year, explained why iSCSI is somehow more expensive (disks + Linux kernel + network.. all the same) than their ATAoE implementation.

    They'll give excuses about the cost of iSCSI hardware offload.. but you don't need that. ATAoE is all software anyway it's just a protocol over ethernet, rather than layered on top of TCP/IP.

    What is wrong with using TCP/IP - which is already standard and reliable? Nothing. We know TCP/IP provides certain things for us.. resilience (through retransmits), and routing, are a good couple, and what about QoS?

    ATAoE needs to be all the same network, close together, they're reimplemented the resilience, you can't use inbuilt common TCP checksum, segmentation and other offloads in major ethernet chipsets because they're a layer too low for it.

    No point in it. Just trying to gain a niche. They could have implemented products around iSCSI, gotten the same performance with the same features, for the same price. Bunkum!

  6. I just deployed an AoE SAN by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 4, Informative

    AoE rocks. It is very easy to set up, way simpler than iSCSI or fibrechannel or any other SAN technology I have used. And it enabled us to have many more options for high availability or clustered filesystems (which we are not yet using but I have been following the progress of GFS and Lustre, learning towards Lustre). We did not buy the Coraid stuff but instead used vblade on our own disk machines. A disk node in our cluster has 4 300G SATA disks which we RAID 5, 512M RAM, and the cheapest CPU Intel currently makes. We have dual core Opterons with 4G of RAM each with no internal disk. They PXE boot and then mount root straight off the AoE. Then we run Xen on the Opteron boxes. This is the killer setup. We can migrate xen domains avoiding downtime for hardware maintenance and if a machines dies we can instantly restart it on another machine because it all runs off the AoE SAN.

    So far I am very pleased. Just make sure you get hardware that can do jumbo frames as this will increase your performance by 50%.

  7. Re:How does it lower costs? by Tracy+Reed · · Score: 3, Informative

    I think you are probably looking at the cost to buy Coraid's gear. You do not have to buy their stuff, although I am sure that they prefer that you do. I built my own AoE SAN using regular PC's. Way cheaper. I take the google approach: Use a larger amount of commodity hardware and design the system in an intelligent way to achieve the same performance and reliability at a better price/performance. Coraid hardware is basically just a Linux box with disks exporting AoE volumes. The nice thing about it is that you get their support. But AoE is so simple that you generally don't need support beyond perhaps the mailing list.