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Microsoft Encouraging OEMs to Beautify Computers

Grooves writes "Microsoft has shipped a 'Vista Industrial Design Toolkit' to PC manufacturers, meant to encourage them to design computers that are more visually appealing. From the article: 'From color palettes to suggestions about how the power and reset buttons should appear, the kit basically describes Microsoft's vision of what a Vista PC should look like. The look features accelerated curves and purposeful contrast, among other qualities.' The report goes on to say that Microsoft wants 'PCs to be objects of pure desire.' Sound familiar? It's hard to see budget-conscious OEMs stepping up to this."

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  1. The first of many such comments... by Stavr0 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Microsoft wants 'PCs to be objects of pure desire.'

    I desire my PC to be pure of spyware, security flaws and unstability.

    1. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I desire my PC to be pure of spyware, security flaws and unstability.

      Somehow Macs do this and manage to be sexy at the same time. That said, I have a PC at work and home. I'd buy a Mac for home except that Macs are sadly lacking in the one field in which I work (video game development).

    2. Re:The first of many such comments... by creepynut · · Score: 5, Informative

      If that's you're only reason, why don't you buy a Mac and use Bootcamp to install Windows on it? Have the best of both worlds.

    3. Re:The first of many such comments... by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You ever think that you're in a position to, y'know, change that?

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    4. Re:The first of many such comments... by ettlz · · Score: 5, Funny
      Microsoft wants 'PCs to be objects of pure desire.'
      I desire my PC to be pure of spyware, security flaws and unstability.
      Pure desire leads to porn sites.
      Porn sites lead to spyware.
      I see your point.
    5. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You ever think that you're in a position to, y'know, change that?

      To be honest, in my current position as a game programmer for a major company, I have almost no control over the actual platforms we target for game design for current gen or next gen. These decisions are made much higher by management and marketing based on potential market and profitability. When it costs $10-20 million to make a game, no one wants to target a small unproven market. The best they'll risk is low-cost ports after the main game is written. In other words, incremental work that may increase the ROI from the already complete game. Find me a single publisher who will fund a 20-30 person team on a Mac game for two or more years because a programmer told them to do so and I'll eat my words. That's the effort going into high-end PC and console games right now and the sad facts of the economics.

    6. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is OpenGL+SDL that bad?

      When you're writing stuff for PC and XBOX (or XBOX 360), you use DirectX not OpenGL. PS2 usually uses a custom renderer or a package like Renderware. Only PS3 uses a graphics API similar to OpenGL and most people are going to bypass that for the low-level graphics API for performance reasons. Game Development IDES like Visual Studio (XBOX/XBXO360), SN (PS2/PS3), and CodeWarrior (PS2/PSP/etc) have licensing controls built-in that *ONLY* allow them to run on specific Windows PCs (either by MAC # or with floating licenses off an attached network server). Additional debugging tools (PIX, CATS, WinPACon, etc.) only run on Windows. At one time, Sony actually made a lot of their PS2 tools run on Linux but since developers had to use Windows for everything else, this effort hindered the tool usage until they made cygwin ports for windows. Finally, no one in the industry has made any serious effort to get the game-programming specific development tools we use to run on Macs.

      Macs are sexy and nice, they're just not practical for my job. Sorry...

    7. Re:The first of many such comments... by Trespass · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Let me let you into a little secret about why people make games: They like making games, and will do what they can to keep making them. Noone inside much gives a shit about the platform. If you can't make games that sell you won't have an opportunity to make them long. Getting market share for the Mac is Apple's problem. Not EA's, not Bioware's, not anyone else's.

      Your strawman argument is pretty amateurish, even by Slashdot standards. I would argue that misdirected idealism is the cause of most of the bloodshed throughout history, not apathy. If Pol Pot, Stalin, and Robespierre had cared about nothing but money their homelands might well be better off.

    8. Re:The first of many such comments... by adisakp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like programming video games and I like working on games for PC's and Consoles which is what I'm paid to do. I also said I think Macs are nice sexy stable platforms. Heck I even aggressively recycle and drive a fuel-efficient car too which you seem to think makes you special. However, I honestly believe that Macs are not a big enough market for $20 million dollar games to be developed specifically for them and for those games to be profitable. Game development is not the same as solving the world's hunger problems. If Mac owners are hungry for games but their market isn't profitable, it's not a crime against humanity to let them "starve" for new games. We develop games to make money, not as charity.

      I have no personal desire to throw away my career or my company's money on developing a project projected to lose millions of dollars regardless of how sexy it is. It's hard enough to make money on PC's and Consoles as it is without targeting a niche market without a distribution channel. And equating my reluctance to push for more game development on an inexistant market to the "worst atrocities, of all kinds ... in history" just shows how out of touch with reality you are. I'm perfectly happy where I am and I see no justification to risk my company's financial health with an issue that no one I work with believes in including myself. I want my games to be played by millions of people everywhere (the last one I worked on had 2+ million copies sold).

      There's no reason to throw away a happy life, a career, and millions of dollars on some eco-freak hippie whiners like you who think I should "grow a pair" and service them.

    9. Re:The first of many such comments... by philipgar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're a gamer, a $50 video chip sucks. If you're not a gamer, there's no real advantage to a $50 chip over the GMA950. I bought a MacBook, and am actually happy they went with an integrated solution instead of a separate graphics processor. The MacBook is a mobile computer. As such, the machines power consumption is important. Even if a dedicated $50 chip used up only 3W more of static power (not an unreasonable assumption for many of these "low power" chips), this would significantly reduce battery life.

      The MacBooks battery has ~5100mAh @12V. Under normal usage condition we get 4 hours of use. This works out to the machine using 5100*12/4=~15.3Watts. If we increased this to account for a non-integrated graphics card, we'd see ~18Watts (conservatively). 5100*12/18=3.4 hours, or about 36 minutes less of battery power. Plus the MacBooks already run warm, now we have to run further cooling, etc.

      Most users of the MacBook however do not require high-end graphics. The GMA950 is good enough for all of Quartz's 3D graphics, and should be fine for all of 10.5's 3D effects. Also, all these gamers who complain about macs having underpowered graphics like this don't take into account that they're not in apples target audience anyhow. They would never want to buy a mac simply because OSX doesn't have the games for it that Windows does, and won't unless they get a much larger market share. Personally I'm very happy with apples decisions.

      Phil

  2. What they really said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We want you to look more like a Mac.

  3. Object of Desire?!?!?! by SlideWRX · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unless encased in Jessica Abla, it will never be an object of desire.

    1. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by fuzz6y · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, she does feature accellerated curves and purposeful contrast.

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    2. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by CommunistHamster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Huh? You don't want to fit your "micro PC" inside Jessica Alba?

    3. Re:Object of Desire?!?!?! by andrewman327 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      "An no, I don't want to see what 'micro' PC's might fit. Really. "

      You know that I'm fighting the urge to make a Goatse comment right now.


      Anyway, I am glad that Microsoft is fighting against beige box syndrome. Computer makers seem to think that painting their 'puters black instead of off-white is what consumers want. I disagree. The important thing is that all designs are durable. My wonderful Sony Clie NX-73V failed because of a broken power switch. I would be ever angrier if that happened to my prettified computer.

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  4. vs Apple by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MS is just trying to grab a few sales away from Apple at the expense of the OEMs. Why not? MS doesn't have anything to loose on this one - the OEMs are the ones taking the risk.

    Dan East

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    1. Re:vs Apple by Moby+Cock · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're right.

      In the Dell Corprate HQ.... "Mike, we want you to make Dells look pretty so people won't notice Vista as much"

      "Fuck off, Ballmer"

    2. Re:vs Apple by binkzz · · Score: 3, Funny

      "
      In the Dell Corprate HQ.... "Mike, we want you to make Dells look pretty so people won't notice Vista as much"

      "Fuck off, Ballmer""

      It'd be pretty funny if Dell started producing chair shaped Vista machines.

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    3. Re:vs Apple by insanarchist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't kid yourself: EVERYTHING Microsoft does is a way to fight Apple (visually, in particular).

  5. Design from MS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you really want to take design suggestions from MS? I can't think of anything they've designed (on their own) that looks like I'd want to put my name on it and sell it.

    1. Re:Design from MS? by epiphani · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:Design from MS? by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I was sure you were going to link to this one.

    3. Re:Design from MS? by bitt3n · · Score: 4, Funny
      I can't think of anything they've designed (on their own) that looks like I'd want to put my name on it and sell it.

      do stock certificates count?

  6. Most PCs are objects of desire by Billosaur · · Score: 3, Funny

    After all, that's where everybody keeps their porn.

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  7. Not necessary by dotslashdot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's true that Apple attracts a certain "I don't know what" kind of person. Apple's success, however, is not based on its cosmetic appeal. Apple offers much more beyond just its good looks. It's like Apple and and its users signed up on eHarmony and found each other. If Vista is stable and easy to use, then MS won't need the glitz and glamour to attract customers since they already have a majority of the customers. MS will only have to retain customers, which it can do with a great Vista release.

  8. So... by eno2001 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...after 20+ years Microsoft finally "gets it" or at least half of "it"? Oooh shiny wins with consumers every time. Apple knew this when they made the first Macs. But Apple also knew the other half of the equation that MS is still not getting: "just works".

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    1. Re:So... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%? Shiny only wins when all else is equal. Most consumers are bang-for-the-buck types, and Windows boxes win that battle hands down. It never ceased to amaze me how add-ons for Macs were always twice (or more) expensive than their "PC" counterparts. I would submit that Apple finally "got it" when they started using standard DIMMs (versus proprietary), PCI-based graphics (versus proprietary), IDE drives (versus SCSI), USB (in addition to firewire), standard monitors, and now Intel CPUs. If anything Apple has moved much closer to a Windows PC, and so it is only natural, to combat the threat, that MS attempt to close the "shiny-ness" gap.

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    2. Re:So... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ummm, no. Your claim is specious. You seem to be saying that Microsoft got 95% of the market by leveraging their market dominance in an "illegal" way. You don't get 95% marketshare by being a monopoly; you become a monopoly by getting 95% marketshare. The "illegal anti-trust" activities are only "illegal" and "anti-trust" once you already have dominant marketshare, which they achieved by providing superior value (in conjunction with the hardware vendors) to the consumers.

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    3. Re:So... by linguae · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%

      I believe that is due to misshaps that Apple made during the early and mid 90s (this is before Steve Jobs and OS X). Apple had a hard time creating a modern OS (Pink, Taligent, Copland), while Microsoft started to improve their OSes to the point that they surpassed the original Mac OS in stability and performance while almost matched it in usability (Windows 95 and especially Windows NT-based products). In 1999, I'd choose Windows 2000 over Mac OS 9 any day for most tasks. Had Apple's failed OS ventures actually didn't fail, then perhaps Apple's marketshare would be much more substantial.

      Windows and non-Mac PCs are still selling very well for a few reasons. Businesses are still heavily dependent on Windows software. But the biggest reason why MS has 95% and Apple has 5% is the price of admission is much lower. You can buy an entry level desktop for $300 and an entry level laptop for $600. It would come with some Celeron processor, a somewhat shabby graphics card, the traditional bundled applications (that don't really play together with other applications, unlike iLife and OS X's integration), and XP Home. However, this is what 90% or so of the computer population wants to buy; a computer fast enough to do email, word processing, photo editing, DVD watching, web browsing, music downloading, and other everyday tasks. For them, that $300 Celeron machine or $600 Celeron laptop would suffice.

      Now, if you spend $600 (or $1100 for the laptop), you can get a Mac. The Mac comes with OS X, iLife, a pretty nice processor (1.5GHz Core Solo for the $600 Mac Mini, 1.66GHz Core Duo for the $800 Mini, and 1.83GHz Core Duo for the $1100 MacBook), decent graphics (I'm typing this on a MacBook now; the Intel Integrated Graphics on this machine isn't very hampering unless you are a intense gamer, which I am not). All of the iLife applications work together. I enjoy the searching capabilities of Spotlight and use them every day. I like how Spotlight is integrated with all of my other applications. For a Unix hacker like myself, the terminal is just a click on the Dock away. I don't have to worry about bad drivers, malware, viruses, or anything like that. I work with a peace of mind.

      Macs are worth the price. When I showed my parents and siblings my Mac and fooled around with it for a few days, they fell in love with it. They were sold on buying a Mac, and they are now saving up for a iMac. The problem is that cheaper PCs are good enough for 90% of the market. Windows XP "just works" now (as long as you keep an eye on security), and Vista will be far better than XP (insert "it's a copy of OS X here"; say what you want, but Vista is still better than XP). Perhaps they haven't had exposure to OS X; my parents were sold on the Mac within a few days. Perhaps they still must have a Windows PC for their jobs (and they don't know that Intel Macs can run Windows natively). Or, perhaps that money is an issue for most people.

      Many people say that in order for Apple to increase its marketshare, they should release OS X to all x86 PCs. After owning a Mac for a few days, I'll disagree. Most users don't know how to install an OS, assuming that they know what an OS is. Plus, part of the benefit of buying a Mac is that you know that all of your hardware works. You don't have to scrounge the Net looking for drivers; your hardware in most cases "just works." Finally, it will make Apple have to compete with Microsoft in Microsoft's domain: OSes. Apple would be back in the Spindler/Amelio days of cloning and red ink. The best way for Apple to raise its marketshare is to lower its price of admission and provide some more variety in Mac offerings (while retaining a clear-cut consumer/pro line). How about a Core Solo MacBook for $700? How about knocking down the Mac Mini to $500 again just like it was originally was in January 2005. How about releasing that iMac for Education to the general public for $999? That will make a large increase in Apple's marketshare, because they will be much closer to the price points that most consumers buy their computers at.

    4. Re:So... by bigpat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Then please explain MS's 95% marketshare versus Apple's 5%?

      Actually, MS has 100% market share if you consider that Windows now runs natively on Apple hardware. But you'd be better off considering Apple as a harware manufacturer and comparing them to Dell, HP and the likes and not Microsoft.

      Here are Gartner's numbers

      Which show Apple is the 4th largest after Dell, HP and Gateway.

      Comparing OS numbers is only relevant for Software developers now that Macs run Windows. Which may have been brilliant marketing, but also the new reality.

    5. Re:So... by Tony · · Score: 4, Informative

      You seem to be saying that Microsoft got 95% of the market by leveraging their market dominance in an "illegal" way.

      They were convicted of using their dominant market share (gained via IBM's entry into the PC business back when Apple and Commodore were the top dogs) to maintain their current market share. The question was, "Why does MS have 95%....", not, "How did they get it?"

      Microsoft got dominant because they road on the the coat-tails of the dominant computer force of the time (IBM). They maintained their dominance through unethical behavior (the whole DR-DOS thing, followed up through Netscape, etc).

      The "illegal anti-trust" activities are only "illegal" and "anti-trust" once you already have dominant marketshare, which they achieved by providing superior value (in conjunction with the hardware vendors) to the consumers.

      I thought the question was about how Microsoft has 95% share today (which they don't, any longer), rather than how they got it? In that case, the GP poster is correct.

      But, 'superior value?' Not by any real metric I've ever seen. Microsoft gained market dominance with IBM. Once Compaq cloned the hardware, Microsoft made exclusive distribution deals with them (Compaq just needed an OS). Every big manufacturer of computers went to Microsoft for the OS, because Microsoft was the only game in town.

      When DR-DOS started picking up market share because it provided superior value, Microsoft basically told the computer sellers, "If you want to ship MS-DOS, you can't give the consumer the choice of DR-DOS." Later, when MS-Windows finally took off (with MS-Windows 3.1), this restriction had some serious teeth. Later, they used similar "deals" with the distributors to lock out WordPerfect and WordPerfect Office, which provided superior value to MS-Office.

      This whole scenerio has been repeated several times in the course of Microsoft's rise to dominance. It was their one way of locking out competition.

      There was never one time when Microsoft offered "superior value." There was a time when they had an exclusive deal with IBM (the 800-pound gorilla of the day), because IBM as a corporation didn't take the PC market seriously. By the time the PC took off, Microsoft was already firmly entrenched in the distribution channels, whether it was IBM or Compaq or Gateway. Then it turned out that IBM could eventually produce a superior operating system (OS/2), but didn't know how to market it. Gah! Idiots!

      Microsoft ended up where they were because the hardware was a superior value proposition, and they worked it so that they were the only software that could get sold on that hardware. Microsoft worked hard to keep competitors out of their distribution chains. They have been so convicted in several countries, not just the US.

      So again, the GP post was correct.

      In conclusion, I'd say that Microsoft has hindered progress, not helped it. By locking out competition, Microsoft has been a regulatory force on the industry, pushing their goals on everyone else. And, near as I can tell, they've done this with never once providing "superior value."

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    6. Re:So... by AKAImBatman · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Dude, you just said the same thing I did, nearly word for word. Stop that, it's freaking me out. :-P

      Then it turned out that IBM could eventually produce a superior operating system (OS/2), but didn't know how to market it. Gah! Idiots!
      Just an FYI on this, Microsoft and IBM collaborated on OS/2. Microsoft provided most of the usability while IBM provided the underlying technology. A few Microsofties then managed to get Windows to boot into Protected Mode, which caused Microsoft to back out of OS/2 in favor of retrofitting Windows with their Chicago technology & Win32 library to create Win95.

      So IBM was never actually able to successfully create a consumer operating system. If they had such skills, they would have nailed the market after Microsoft backed out. Instead they put up a weak fight with, "Wow, I can do more than one thing!" advertisments that just didn't have any staying power.

      Since I'm replying again anyway, I think it's important to clarify: Microsoft was never in a position where they weren't a dominant power in the market. From their Microsoft BASIC empire, all the way to Windows, they have always had power to weild over others, and they have always abused that power. The world might be a far more interesting place today if Microsoft had never existed.
    7. Re:So... by booch · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft has provided "superior value" -- just not in operating systems. Their development tools have always been top-notch. Especially in the assembler era, and less so in the C and Visual C++ eras. Even the VB and .NET are decent, even if VB does suck from a technical aesthetic standpoint.

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  9. The time to start worrying is now by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Funny
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  10. haha by spykemail · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sounds like Microsoft should try getting Apple to ship Macs with Windows.

  11. Reset button by operagost · · Score: 5, Funny
    how the power and reset buttons should appear
    The reset button will need to be large and easily accessible, for sure.
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  12. Oh, so important. by sammy+baby · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Not all OEMs are happy to see this kit. Lenovo, the company that took over IBM's PC manufacturing business, doesn't see how adhering to the design will help their company. "Our ability to differentiate ourselves comes from our industry-leading innovation," a Lenovo spokesperson told Businessweek. "And design is a big part of that."


    Oh, sure. After all, we know how unbelievably gorgeous Lenovo laptops are.*

    Actually, I suspect that this, more than anything else, is a sign of just how concerned Microsoft is that Apple is about to eat their lunch. The "beautify the box" message is inteneded as a point of product differentiation, but the only other product in this space who is doing better than Microsoft here is Apple. Unless you know of a company who is making really attractive Ubuntu boxes. (And if so, please let me know. I have a birthday coming up.)

    * I should note at this point that in my previous job I administered a lab full of IBM ThinkPads. They were absolutely monster workhorses, and I have nothing bad to say about them. I mean, other than the fact that I was stupid and didn't set BIOS passwords right away, and as a result lost one laptop to some MBA student thinking he'd be cute and setting a boot password. Whoopsie.
    1. Re:Oh, so important. by generic-man · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I find ThinkPads gorgeous for the same reason people find Mag-Lite flashlights and most Apple laptops gorgeous: simple, unfettered design that emphasizes usability. No unnecessary chrome except for a simple, tasteful logo. (Yes the Apple logo is large, but it's still more subtle than the Xbox-1-controller-jewel-like bumps on the top of many Dell and Compaq laptops.)

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  13. Hard to see? by symbolic · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Somehow the phrase, "Microsoft-approved" seems to be heading in a direction that I never thought possible. Not only will software writers have to conform, but now PC manufacturers should worry about how their systems look, just because they *might* be used to run Vista? What arrogance. Some things never change.

  14. The Mac isn't a good comparison by dada21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not sure I agree with the "Be like a Mac!" comparison. For most PC manufacturers, having their own "look and feel" has been part of what has given them a strong brand name. Sure, Microsoft wants to grab some of that brand recognition beyond just the bootup splash screen (and the desktop look and feel), but I also think this will create more than just brand recognition for Microsoft -- I believe it will also produce an interesting "playing field" for companies beyond the Big Four (Dell, Gateway, HP/Compaq, Toshiba). Consider the smaller OEMs and white box companies -- by providing a standardized look and feel, this will open the door of opportunity for many more companies. Sure, the big guys probably don't WANT this (they want to keep their look and feel in order to keep their branding strong), but it could create a new competitive atmosphere by giving smaller companies a foot in the door to compete on the look and feel front.

    I've always loved third party cases and keyboards and monitors moreso than the Big Four for the same reason that I've always liked clones -- they've pushed the envelope before the big guys did. The downside is that the clones never seemed to sell well in the corporate environment nor in the newb home environment; the clones were just powerhouse sellers for us geeks. By having Microsoft "dictate" what they want to see, we may actually see more third parties offering competition to the Big Four, which in turn could see prices drop a bit more, which could push more legal Microsoft products into the fray.

    All around, there are some Mac-branding similarities, but I don't really think that is Microsoft's desired goal to miMac (mimic the Mac, in my vernacular). I think it is just a good idea that will help the little(r) guys, and still give the big guys a chance to offer different products that the market can choose from.

  15. Table of Contents by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Funny

    Introduction: How to Steal Back the Market from Apple - i
    Getting Smart: Our new user interface needs some magic and copies Aqua -1
    Making Titanium-looking cases from inexpensive aluminum -2
    Preventing dual-boot -3
    Wacky driver troubleshooting -4
    Thwarting competing anti-virus makers-5
    Understanding why we have so many versions of the same thing, and how to sell it -6
    Learning how to shave like Steve Jobs -7
    Appendix A: Stock options manual for new employees
    Appendix B: Using your wife's PR company to kill everyone's love for you
    Appendix C: Why Longhorn isn't a cheese

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  16. Mmm...desire.... by portege00 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Put nipples on the reset and power button. If you're going to reboot the POS everyday, why not get a little titty with it?

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  17. Design suggestion by sjonke · · Score: 3, Funny

    A number of years ago there was a brief trend of clothing that had been shot full of holes. People were selling jeans, t-shirts, jackets, etc, that had been shot with automatic rifles and such. Manufacturers of Windows PCs should try to bring that idea back. Aside from being an cheap and easy way to make a generic case look cool, it will save the buyer's valuable time (and ammunication.)

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  18. MS vision very close to my image of Vista PC by rubycodez · · Score: 3, Funny

    but I imagined pile of them sitting in a dumpster covered in penguin shit

  19. Dear John by MojoRilla · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Dear Microsoft,

    It seems that you are doing a lot of things lately to tell me what I want out of your products. Vista's new UI, and now these fancy industrial design specs.

    Guess what? I couldn't care less what the shape of my PC is. It is under the desk with my UPS, subwoofer and trash can. And I have no need for a fancy new desktop UI, especially one that takes resources away from what I actually want to do with my computer, like photo and video editing.

    What I want is excellent software, compatible with open standards, for a reasonable price. You used to deliver this. When you delivered virtual memory and preemptive multitasking, you were ahead of Apple. Now you seem way behind. And also, I want you to support open standards so that I can use other products with others that haven't paid you a licensing fee, such as open source. I'm not a sheep to lock in. Hello Linux and OSX.

    And your prices are far from reasonable. The fact that I can't transfer a OEM Windows licence from one PC to another is rubbish. The fact that you want $399 for the standard edition of office, which I have paid you for several times over the years is robbery. I was happy with the functionality of office five years ago. Why should I need to buy it again? Hello, Open Office.

    I'm not a sheep, Microsoft. You used to be innovative. Now you are all about marketing. Its been fun, but we're breaking up!

  20. Re:What they really said... QWZX by hcob$ · · Score: 5, Funny
    Am I the only one who HATES the look of the Mac?
    Yes... now go play with your dolls.
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  21. Reset? What's that? by nsayer · · Score: 3, Insightful
    suggestions about how the power and reset buttons should appear

    Macs don't have reset buttons. 'nuff said.

  22. It's an effort to justify higher prices by maillemaker · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On one of my rare walks through Walmart yesterday, I noticed a DVD player for $34.00.

    It's hard to imagine that there is $1200 worth of electronics in the new Dell computer I just got at work. As cell phones and iPod-like devices become ever-more powerful at sub-$200 prices, it's going to cast an ever-more powerful spotlight on the PC market. I've thought for some time that we are on the verge of seeing PC's become commoditized like calculators.

    This latest blurb from Mircosoft is an attempt to stop PCs from becoming generic commodities - because once they start to look like that consumers will expect them to be priced like that.

    I already do. :)

    Steve

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  23. Re:What they really said... QWZX by adamjaskie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If anything has "boy racer" looks, it is Alienware et al. Apple designs may not be for everyone, but they are generally clean and simple, while the "boy racer" look is anything but. Case windows, cold cathode tubes that flash in time with the audio, LED fans, and gaudy paint-jobs are more in the realm of PCs than Macs.

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  24. Those OEMs couldn't "beautify" anything by melted · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those OEMs couldn't "beautify" anything if their life depended on it. If they could, they'd already do so. The best they can do is steal Apple's 3 year old designs.

  25. Well, they finally realized... by blamanj · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...that nobody's going to buy it because of the operating system.

  26. Real Design considerations. by meburke · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a starting point, I'd like to suggest designers read, "A Whole New Mind" by Daniel Pink, and check out some articles at: http://www.danpink.com/. Furthermore, I suggest visiting IDEO http://www.ideo.com/ideo.asp. Pay special attention to their "method card" deck. Lastly (for purposes of this discussion) I suggest visiting http://www.mcdonough.com/# . The common thread in all this is DESIGN. William McDonough says that the need for regulation indicates a failure in design.

    The design of the product goes 'way beyond just cosmetics. There is only so much you can do with an enclosure for a PC board, but there is LOTS you can do with the system as a whole. Case modding is just a place to start. Functional design improvements are being made in everything from the input devices ( http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1112012 ,00.asp http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/ ) to really innovative interfaces ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_project http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/).

    The IDEO method cards are different from the "Creative Whack Pack" or "Thinkertoys" cards, in that they redefine the product design domain. The jobs of the future are going to be design jobs requiring both high creativity and high technical ability. If someone in India or China can do your job as well and cheaper than you, or if a computer can do your job better and faster, your job is obsolete.

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  27. What I'd like to see... by FellowConspirator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fewer cables -- particularly power cables and power bricks. Things ought to daisy chain. Also, the computer ought to be able to power off devices when not needed (think external peripherals).

    Lower electrical power -- I'd like to be able to reel in consumption, slow down the CPU and power use when not needed. If drives took less power, you could run them off some daisy-chained juicier USB2 or FireWire.

    Quieter machines -- one shouldn't have to sacrifice or pay big bucks just to knock 20dB off the sound output of the fans/drives.

    Fast bluetooth -- or an equivalent thereof. Maybe something that would make sense with external HDDs, as well as cameras, camcorders, phones, etc. Monitors?

    Cheap low-power monitors with decent color for video work would be nice too (the LCDs with the truest color are just too expensive compared to the CRTs).

    After that, I'd put aesthetics -- which I don't care too much about since my PC's under the desk.

  28. Who cares about looks? I want a quiet computer. by Secrity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't care what my computer looks like -- ugly can be covered or ignored. It is much more difficult to quiet or ignore a noisey computer.

  29. Re:MS has forgotten who they are by Ash-Fox · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This "Industrial Design Toolkit" screams "we're afraid of Apple". MS obvisously wants to strongarm the OEMs into creating simulacrums of Apple's product design philosophy. It works for Apple because there's really only one person at the top: Steve Jobs. Never mond the fact that Apple hardware and software visually mesh, with the design itself being clean and elegant, if not minimalist.
    Or maybe, just maybe, they want to see themed computers, because they do actually look better. Plus if the style is unified, it's less work for the user to figure out how to turn on the machine.

    I see absolutely nothing wrong with suggesting that OEMs try to build cases using certain styles.
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  30. Re:I believe the words you're looking for are... by jez9999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Me, I love the English language. I don't have anything against the French you know, but their language just isn't as developed. I dunno, English just has that.... je ne sais quoi.

  31. Hopeless by brian0918 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Even if they get top-of-the-line architects to perfect the exterior, the software is still designed by Frank Gehry.