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On Entangling and Testing Net Neutrality

P3titPrince writes "In an NYT op-ed today, Timothy B. Lee argues that legislation specifically guaranteeing Net Neutrality would in fact be less effective than just allowing the status quo." From the article: "It's tempting to believe that government regulation of the Internet would be more consumer-friendly; history and economics suggest otherwise. The reason is simple: a regulated industry has a far larger stake in regulatory decisions than any other group in society. As a result, regulated companies spend lavishly on lobbyists and lawyers and, over time, turn the regulatory process to their advantage. Economists have dubbed this process 'regulatory capture,' and they can point to plenty of examples. The airline industry was a cozy cartel before being deregulated in the 1970's. Today, government regulation of cable television is the primary obstacle to competition." Relatedly, winnabago writes "Computerworld reports on a potential method for testing a net connection for neutrality. Somewhat similar to Traceroute, the software uses spoof packets that appear to be from a potentially throttled source and compares the transmission time to that of neutral traffic."

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  1. Spoofing and net neutrality by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Somewhat similar to Traceroute, the software uses spoof packets that appear to be from a potentially throttled source and compares the transmission time to that of neutral traffic.
    This brings forth a very serious issue I haven't seen brought up elsewhere.. if net neutrality does get squashed, how much of a serious crime will something like this be? If we move to a tiered Internet, how many huge companies (and their respective purchased government officials) will cry "fraud" every time someone dares to make a packet appear as though it came from a higher tier? The mind boggles.
  2. Ummm... no... by sterno · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason is simple: a regulated industry has a far larger stake in regulatory decisions than any other group in society. As a result, regulated companies spend lavishly on lobbyists and lawyers and, over time, turn the regulatory process to their advantage.

    That's EXACTLY what's already happening. The telecom companies have long been doing this and the whole net neutrality discussion is being prompted by those same telecom companies wanting to loosen the rules (you know, using their lobbyists to get favorable regulation). Further, I would argue that the return on investment from lobbying is so large that any business of sufficient size will invest heavily in lobbyists. They'd be dumb not to.

    Net Neutality needs to happen before we give the telecom companies any more leighway in other areas. The reason is simple. If we do not do this, then if we find that we need to impose it after the fact, they will have already invested billions in business built around the new regulatory structure. At that point, they can legitimately claim it would be expensive and onerous to do it. Today, if we put this regulation in, it doesn't fundamentally change the nature of the network they already have.

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  3. Congress is involved, remember. by krell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The net-neutrality legislation might actually make the problem worse. But at least it bans flag-burning, provides federal funding for Air America, declares Feb. 13 to be "National Nathaniel Hawthorne Awareness Day", and pays for 6 years of new shoes for Sen. Harkin! That's what counts the most.

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  4. Easy... by GillBates0 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Google is buying all the fiber because of it's well known benefits. Fiber absorbs several times their weight in water, resulting in softer, bulkier stools, which makes it easier for traffic to pass through the colon.

    Anybody who's experiencing problems due to clogged Tubes is well-advised to deploy as much Fiber as possible.

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  5. Tangentially related... by jdaly · · Score: 4, Informative

    There has also been some confusion over authorship. Mr. Lee is not to be
    confused with Tim Berners-Lee, Web inventor and NetNeutrality proponent.

  6. Re:NN? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Informative

    When telcos start clamping down on 'Net connections, we'll all be on the GoogleNet.

    This will never happen. Google bought all that dark fiber so they could ferry all their massive internal dataloads from A to B without paying through the nose for it. They made a long term decision and figured it would be cheaper in the long run to have their own transcontinental (G)LAN rather than keep ponying up to the major telcos. Big companies do this.

    Do you think those fibers are still dark? Right now they're probably at full capacity shifting the teraquads of dataload upon dataload upon dataload back and forth between to Google legions of analyists and their analysiers, so they can confirm that, yes indeed, people really do think those ads are search results.

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  7. Bring on the test! by Valley+Redneck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Talk about being able to punish bad actors. If this research leads to a little GUI desktop app that tells what packets your ISP is throttling and how much, bad actors will have nowhere to hide. Geeks everywhere will blog the offenders into submission, and "Cable Modems w/no throttling!" suddenly becomes a very nice selling point. Wish I could have made it to Black Hat...

  8. Drug war. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Doesn't make it right, but I'd like to see them jail every internet user on the planet when they all do the same thing.

    Back in the '60s a lot of people thought the solution to the drug laws was civil disobedience - lots of people buying and using drugs clogging the legal system, forcing the government to throw in the towel.

    You can see how well THAT worked.

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