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RIAA Goes after LimeWire

PCM2 writes "A coalition of major recording companies sued the operators of the file-sharing program LimeWire for copyright infringement Friday, claiming the firm encourages users to trade music without permission." From thge article: " The case is the first piracy lawsuit brought against a distributor of file-sharing software since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled last year that technology companies could be sued for copyright infringement on the grounds that they encouraged customers to steal music and movies over the Internet. In the complaint, the record companies contend LimeWire's operators are "actively facilitating, encouraging and enticing" computer users to steal music by failing to block access to copyright works and building a business model that allows them to profit directly from piracy. "

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  1. in related news... by irving47 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA and MPAA are teaming up to sue the highway patrol of all states with interstates that border on other states for failing to stop them and prevent them from allowing friends to copy their DVD's and CD's.

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    1. Re:in related news... by macdaddy357 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Recording Industrialists Against Artists will try anything to make sure no one hears so much as a note of music without paying them. Music has existed since the dawn of time, not just since the invention of the phonograph. RIAA, you are obsolete and your products are too. No one needs you any more. Don't Buy CDs.

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    2. Re:in related news... by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Give me a nice list of all the legitimate (read: legal) uses for LimeWire, and I'll believe you. I bet you can think of some, but I'm sure most people use LimeWire for illegal purposes.

      So what? Grokster did not destroy the Sony rule. So it doesn't matter whether most people use LimeWire illegally.

      Now they make be going after the wrong people, targeting the makers of LimeWire instead of the file-sharers,

      Not at all. First, it's entirely possible to go after them and win. See e.g. the Napster and Grokster cases. The law allows indirect infringers to be sued just as easily as direct infringers. Second, plaintiffs would prefer to go after LimeWire. They have a policy of going after the deep pocket (i.e. a defendant that can actually pay the damages awarded). But more importantly, they have a policy of going after the head of the snake. If LimeWire shuts down, then all of their users will have to find new networks or stop sharing. Some will likely stop sharing. Others will go to new networks, but those will be shut down too, in turn. The idea is to stop P2P filesharing by shutting down the networks and software developers. Then it doesn't matter whether the users want to infringe in this fashion; they lack the ready ability to do so. Going after direct infringers is less useful to plaintiffs since it achieves less. Why go after one infringer, or a handful, when you can essentially go after them all by targeting the network?

      Get the picture?

      but a nice crackdown on illegal file-sharing sure beats some new, twisted form of DRM.

      That is absolutely not how that works. They'll do both. What you're suggesting is appeasement, but I guarantee you that it won't work.

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    3. Re:in related news... by niktemadur · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If only 99% of all current legislation wasn't grotesquely tilted in favor of these corporate behemots, I would side with your viewpoint.

      However, the cost to manufacture a CD is less than a dollar, yet their product goes for around twenty. Corporate robber barons, the de facto government today, bring to mind the attitude, espoused by Thomas Jefferson, that rebellion, every now and then, is a healthy thing.

      I will neither endorse nor support these robber barons by voting for them with my dollars, and do not mind chipping a bit at their cornerstone as well, along with millions of other people, from the looks of it.

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  2. BS by jimktrains · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is like sueing Remington because guns make it easier to kill people.

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    1. Re:BS by TFGeditor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "This is like sueing Remington because guns make it easier to kill people."

      You do realize this has been done (unsuccessfully) by dozens of city governments against a variety of gun manufacturers and importers?

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    2. Re:BS by McGiraf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "This is like sueing Remington because guns make it easier to kill people."

      Nah, people are not copywrited, you can do whatever you what with them, anything is fair use.

  3. Which is why... by barakn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Xerox should be sued for first marketing the photocopier.

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  4. Why aren't ISPs being sued instead? by joshetc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or computer manufactuers, maybe just CD burner or hard disk makers. They all equally "allow" people to pirate via their resources. Just as much as limewire does at least..

  5. RIAA needs to learn English by Kelson · · Score: 5, Insightful
    the record companies contend LimeWire's operators are "actively facilitating, encouraging and enticing" computer users to steal music by failing to block access to copyright works (emphasis added)

    Based on that complaint, it sounds more like they're passively encouraging people, at best.

    Either that or the fact that I've never held up a stop sign in the middle of the street means that I'm actively encouraging people to run red lights.

  6. Quite the Contrary by Kennego · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Although it is a file-sharing program, of all the ones I've used, Limewire is the one that actively DISCOURAGES copyright infringement the MOST.

    I guess the RIAA couldn't go very long without finding another way to annoy the crap out of everyone...

  7. Works as well as our "War on Drugs"! by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As we all know, we really put a stop to those illegal drug sales by going after the "heads of the snakes" there. Wanna-be drug users just can't find someone willing to supply them anymore, most of the time!

    Oh, wait....

    I get the logic, but there's a fundamental flaw. You can't effectively stop the masses from breaking an arbitrary restriction placed on an activity if the masses feel what they're doing is justified.

    If LimeWire shuts down tomorrow, a programmer will be out there coding the next replacement for it - only with additional protections to make it harder than before to track the source of the traffic.
    Shut that down, and another will pop up, and another, and.....

    If it finally proves not too effective to do p2p sharing at all, due to the "law" constantly putting a stop to it - people will resort to more "guerrila" tactics (as they've already done many times before). Things can be uploaded with non-obvious filenames and folder names, to random servers (or even web or ftp sites that passwords were hacked on in advance) - and private message forums can provide the short-lived and always rotating links to them.

    VPN tunnels can be set up from point to point between trusted parties and files interchanged on their makeshift WANs.

    Individuals can offer files through their IM clients.

    Of course, Usenet is utilized too, and it doesn't seem practical to successfully put a stop to it.

    People might even wish to set up email list servers that distribute attached files to those who know the secret commands to email to get signed up and request them.

    Don't forget all the other alternatives, such as running telnet-based BBS software. (Kind of a "retro" solution, but like opting to run Windows 3.1 to use the Internet on your PC and thereby dodging almost all the trojan horse spyware, might be effective through obscurity, at least for a while.)