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How to Handle Political Telemarketing?

TheOtherChimeraTwin writes "Slashdot has touched on telemarketing in the past. The No Call lists work pretty well for me except for a flood of political calls. They guys use automated dialers with recorded messages and use bogus caller id information, calling back multiple times. Political surveys are done by real people, but they hang up on me if I stray from answering their questions. Does anyone have a solution better than just hanging up on these slime? I'd just vote for their opponent, but sometimes I'm getting called by both sides. The distraction of these calls is annoying and the problem is only going to get worse."

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  1. Do what I did by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Join the libertarian party ... they don't have enough money to telemarket.

    1. Re:Do what I did by wolvesofthenight · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Voting for a third party is actually a very good option. If everyone that is whining about the current political duopoly would stop whining and vote for someone else then the duopoly would fall apart. People normally counter argue that you are throwing your vote away because they 3rd party will never win. I disagree with this because: - There are currently several independent congressman. - While they might not win this race more people who voted mainstream might vote for them next time if they are noticed in this race. People will take you a lot more seriously if you got 15% last election instead of 1.5%. - A large number of people don't because they don't like either of the 2 main parties. If they would get out and vote for 3rd parties then we would see a lot more 3rd parties winning. Most importantly, don't get that you have more than one vote! There are many issues on a single ballot, so you can vote mainstream for president and 3rd party for other offices. Last election I felt that the presidential race was very close and that there was a huge difference between Bush & Kerry. I voted for one of them even though I felt that one of the other candidates would do a better job. However, a number of other offices I often voted 3rd party because there was not nearly as much at stake. If more people in my state will start doing this then we can get a 3rd (and hopefully a 4th) party going locally. After that we can work toward another party for president.

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    2. Re:Do what I did by xappax · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know someone who actually got a job doing telemarketing for the Republican party - and took it as her personal mission to get as many hang-ups as possible. Sometimes she would use a really loud annoying voice, sometimes she'd act sickeningly friendly and patronizing, sometimes she'd talk non-stop over the other person as though she was a recording, and if someone was annoyed enough to say "Don't call me again, or I'm voting for the other guy!", she'd make sure they ended up on the "follow up soon" list.

      She never got fired - I guess the GOP isn't particularly strict about overseeing their most obnoxious "campaigners". But I bet she persuaded far more people not to vote Republican than than any Democrat telemarketer could have!

    3. Re:Do what I did by morleron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I agree. I've joined the Libertarians not only because they don't do calls of this sort, but also because I firmly believe that it's time to get government off our backs. However, that's kind of beside the point here.

      A good friend of mine turns these calls into what he terms the "How Long can I String Them Along Game" in which the goal is to see how long you can keep the idiot making the call on the line. The technique works like this:

      Caller: Hi, I'm calling in regard to Senator Joe Congresscritter's campaign. Do you have a few moments to discuss the very important issues that Senator Congresscritter believes need to be addressed by the government?

      Callee: Sure. I'd love to discuss those issues. Can you hold on for a minute, you caught me preparing dinner and I've got to get something out of the oven?

      Caller: OK.

      Callee: (goes off and does things he wants for 3 to 5 minutes then returns) Sorry, now where were we? Oh, right, you want to talk about politics.

      Caller: Yes, Senator Congresscritter is very concerned about the future of this great nation of ours and wants you to know that he's worried about the future of Social Security. In fact, he has put together a plan for...

      Callee: Oh, just a moment...my cat needs to go out (goes away and does other things for 3 to 5 minutes...comes back) Now, about Social Security...

      This process is repeated for however long it takes for the telelmarketing idiot to realize that he's being played. Mark's record is somewhere around an hour now, though I think that was with a commercial telemarketer, for whom this game is also appropriate. Don't get annoyed...get even.

      Just my $.02,
      Ron

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    4. Re:Do what I did by jtev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which is why the first rule of the call center rep is "Don't waste your time, make the contact waste theirs." If somone goes off for 5 minutes, you'd only wait for 2 minutes, then hang up. Posibly less if you've got a low talk time contract like polical mesages. It's not like the people in the call center even care if you vote for the canidate that they are calling on behalf of anyway.

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    5. Re:Do what I did by nutrock69 · · Score: 2, Informative

      > The downside to doing something like this is that you can get someone fired...

      These are Telemarketers who consider themselves exceptions to the various "Do-Not-Call" laws. Where's the downside?

    6. Re:Do what I did by hey! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know someone who actually got a job doing telemarketing for the Republican party - and took it as her personal mission to get as many hang-ups as possible.

      I dropped into the bookstore the other day, and went over to the history section. I recently finished the Pulitzer winning "Washington's Crossing" (highly recommended, by the way), and wanted to see if there were anything else by the same author. Right next to history was the current affairs section.

      What I saw there was frightening. Prominently displayed were row after row of books with titles like "100 People who are Ruining America". It wasn't just the right, it was the left as well: book after book whose theme was that you should think about and act in a juvenile manner towards people who disagree with you.

      It made me think of something I often tell my children: You can't avoid getting angry sometimes, but beware: anger can make you stupid.

      It isn't that there weren't books like this ten years ago. It isn't that attitudes like this didn't exist ten years ago. It's just that ten years ago this kind of childishness didn't drown out the other forms of political discourse. It used to be the politics of the lunatic fringe. Now it looks like the lunatic fringe is the loudest voice out there.

      What's frightening about this attitude is where this logic leads: "Those people" are runining the country. You cannot live with them. Therefore it is us or them: both of us cannot survive. Mark my words: if the trend to political childishness is not checked, it will end in violence.

      Acts like the one described gets no respect from me, liberal as I am and convinced the policies of the Republican are bad for our country. Either they are too much, or too little. You can only justify them if you are fighting evil, but if you are fighting evil, the fight deserves more from you than snatching a little puerile self-satisfaction.

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  2. How about... by Bin_jammin · · Score: 3, Interesting

    trying to track down who's actually calling you, and getting a restraining order against them. Or you can create a web site about it and expose whomever may be responsible, odds are they won't take too kindly to the exposure.

  3. well... by zxnos · · Score: 2, Insightful

    just lie to them. but seriously there is a big problem. if you ignore or lie to political telemarketers dont complain when politicians do whacky things by relying on polling data.

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  4. The calls are the least of your problem by MarkusQ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The calls are the least of your problems.

    In addition to making annoying phone calls, they are also bilking you (and every member of your household) out of tens of thousands of dollars (each) to pay for foreign entanglements (wars, giving weapons to loonies, etc.) to stroke their half baked dreams of empire, selling your rights to the highest corporate bidder, who pay them back with booze and hookers (at your expense of course) and lying to you every chance they get. Oh yeah, and spying on you, paying newscasters to lie to you (again, your tax dollars at work), letting their corporate masters override you and your doctor's decisions about your health care, and hundreds of other things.

    Plus that, they are being such jerks in the world at large that people you've never met hate you enough to kill you, just because they represent you.

    But if the phone calls are the straw that breaks your camel's back, so be it.

    --MarkusQ

    1. Re:The calls are the least of your problem by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Hey, he didn't say it was Republicans calling him...

      I never said he did. It might well be Joe "bought-and-paid-for" Lieberman. Or Hillary "screw defending the constitution I have to look tough and centrist even if it means selling out (and think of the children)" Clinton. Or Jane "I heart defense contractors" Harman. Or dozens of others.

      Republicans don't have a patent on selling us out, they just happen to be doing so more efficiently at the moment. If the inside the beltway, big donor fueled DLC Democrats could get their heads out of their polls I'm sure they could do just as well.

      Likewise, all the parties seem to have a smattering of honest, intelligent, hard working people who will stand up for what they believe in and do the job we sent them for (until somebody makes them an offer they can't refuse, or they die in a small plane crash).

      --MarkusQ

  5. lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I normally just make crap up.

    I want my flying car, a county wide monorail system, holoTV that bring hot girls into your living room like on Logans Run, domed cities and a discount on soylet green crumbs.

    And masturbation in public to be LEGAL.

  6. Be Determined by cagle_.25 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hi, this is Kimberly from the [Republican | Democratic] National Committee...

    Hi Kimberly, my wife and I don't make any donations whatsoever over the phone, and we don't answer poll questions either.

    Sure, I can understand that. We would like to send you a free brochure with our platform on it, but we need to have some level of commitment from you. Could I put you down for $25?

    (It turns out she actually can't understand what I said). I'm sorry. Like I said, we don't make contributions over the phone. Good luck in November.


    CLICK. BZZZ...

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  7. An answering maching is your friend. by Maclir · · Score: 2, Informative

    If we get a call from a number we don't recognise, or is blocked from giving the caller id, we let the answering machine take it. If the person starts to leave a message, and we want to talk to them, we pick up. But telemarketers hang up as soon as the hear a machine.

  8. Tips by tonyr1988 · · Score: 2, Informative
    Unfortunately, political groups are exempt from the "Do Not Call" lists. I don't have a home phone, so I have the joy of not having to worry about any telemarketers. From various web sources, it looks like there's no real action you can take (legally) to proactively defend yourself. However, I've found two possible solutions:
    • When you do get a telephone solicitation, find out on whose behalf they are calling, ask that you be permanently removed from their calling list, and tell them that you are writing this information down. If they call back, demand to talk to a manager and complain and/or call the Consumer Protection Division of your local State Attorney General's office.
    • Consider products such as the Telezapper and these.
    1. Re:Tips by WilliamSChips · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm not getting a telezapper until it actually zaps telemarketers.

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  9. Easy by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    Me: "Which candidate is this?"
    Them: Candidate A
    Me: Who is his opponent?
    Them: Candidate B
    Me: Okay. I'll vote for Candidate B. Thanks for interrupting my day.

    Enough peopl do this, people won't call.

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    1. Re:Easy by cagle_.25 · · Score: 2, Funny
      In Candidate B's office

      Op #1: Hey guys, I've got a list of contrarian voters. Who wants to make the calls?

      Op #2: That would be me. Who's first?

      Op #1: "MyLongNickName (822545)"

      Op #2 (dials 822545): Hi, I'm calling on behalf of Candidate A's campaign

      You: I'll vote for Candidate B. Thanks for interrupting my day.

      Op #2: Sorry to bother you, sir. (hangs up) Yes! Another easy vote.

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    2. Re:Easy by cagle_.25 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, it would be illegal. But in my state (Maryland, home of dirty politics), there would be a fine and after four years, no one would remember. I know of no case -- although my knowledge is limited -- in which a candidate was removed from office because of dirty campaign tricks.

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  10. Get a cell phone by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 5, Informative

    What the hell are you doing still using a land line, anyway?

    Cancel your land line and get a cell phone (and remember to put a text-messaging block on it). You won't receive ANY telemarketing calls.

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  11. Mod parent up by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I haven't had a landline in over three years, and I haven't gotten a telemarketing call (political or otherwise) in just as long. The closest I've come is some theater I'd seen a show at asking for a donation, and that was a couple years ago.

    Of course, there will come a day when so few people have landlines (that they actually use for voice) that politicians will make sure they can canvas the cel phones too, but until that day comes it's great.

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  12. Don't hang up by TheLink · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you don't mind being rude try this:

    If you are busy ask them to hold on for a while- e.g. "Please hold on, I'll be back".

    Then finish doing whatever it is you are doing (dinner, shower etc) and if there's nothing else more urgent/important to do, come back and answer their questions.

    This way you also delay them from pestering the next person.

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  13. Both sides? by Bogtha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd just vote for their opponent, but sometimes I'm getting called by both sides.

    A perfect example of the fundamental problem with American democracy. The two major parties both stink, but you won't even consider voting for anybody else, to the point where you actually forget other parties exist. Both sides? You really think there are only two candidates? Go ahead and vote for Kodos.

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  14. Call Him Back by John+Hasler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Call the politician involved at home at dinner time on Sunday evening and tell him you are going to vote against him because of the call.

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  15. This one worked for me. by gettingbraver · · Score: 5, Funny

    I got a telemarketing call from one of the major parties the other day. I politely thanked the caller, said that I understood how important fundraising was to a candidate, then mentioned that I was a member of the Green Pary and asked if the caller like to make a contribution. THEY hung up on me!

  16. Re:best of both worlds by Mr.+Byaninch · · Score: 2

    I'm sorta in the same place. I have to have a landline in order to get broadband. (Apartment owners made a deal with SBC... What can I say?). Anyway, all my friends use my cell #. When the landline rings (ringer is off), if I notice it (face lights up) or DirecTV caller ID shows up, if it's a local number I don't recogize, I just don't answer. If it's an area code where I have family and friends, I answer. But basically, JUST DON'T ANSWER. Not that big a deal.

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  17. Re:Hang up by deadhammer · · Score: 3, Informative
    Won't work. Had to work telemarketing about five years ago (not the high point of my life), and they DO distinguish between "no thanks" and "do not call". "No thanks" simply means you're getting recycled back into the "2nd run" call list. "Do not call" means just that, if they violate it it's a $500.00 fine. So here's what you say:

    "Let me interrupt you. I do not appreciate these calls, period. I'm not interested in your (service/product/political pitch). Put me on your Do Not Call list, and I forbid you from sharing my phone information with affiliates or third parties. This WILL take effect immediately, I will take action if I get another call. Thank you. *click*"

    If they try to sell you that "Our systems process do not call requests within thirty days, you may get another phone call" bullshit, inform them that do not call requests are immediate. If you get another call, you will take legal action and report it to the authorities. They DO have to record their calls, so they will have a backlog including the DNC request. Just be firm, tell them to put you on the do not call list, reassure them that you expect it to be immediate, and hang up. Don't take any shit from them, and you'll be fine.

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  18. Re:best of both worlds by jonwil · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Better yet, dont use your landline at all.
    Have a cellphone and/or VoIP.
    Dont give out the landline phone number to anyone, only the cell number.
    If you have Cable for internet, dont get a phone line at all.
    If you have Fiber or something else, dont get a phone line.
    If you have Dialup or you have DSL or you have Fiber or something and you must have a phone line (e.g. "verizon will only let you get FIOS if you get verizon phone over that FIOS"), get the phone line but dont even have a real phone (only the modem for broadband/dialup) plugged into it.

    That way, even if the telemarketers do get your landline number (if any), all they get is no answer then ring out since no-one even knows a call was made.

  19. a word from an insider by thdexter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm volunteering locally (Idaho's 1st District) for the Democratic Party. A few nights ago I called people for the first time after having only gone door-to-door beforehand. Let me share my perspective...

    First, I'm not doing any fundraising, over the phone or in person. I am doing polling, and if people are inclined to vote Democratic or they don't know about our candidates we're going to send them some mail and ask them to vote for our candidates. If the people are Republicans and will vote for the Republican nominees--we don't want to waste our time and money. I'm a political science major and I could get into some hardcore theoretical stuff but it's late.

    Anyway. So I'm not doing fundraising. Our lists aren't bought from shady Internet types, or Radio Shack, or tire companies, or credit card companies--they're from public voter registration data. Voters need not include phone numbers when they register, and some don't.

    I hate to be an elitist, here. But to suggest that a good fuck-you answer when you're contacted is to tell the person you're going to vote for the other party, to say that out of spite, I don't want your vote, anyway. I haven't been paid $1, in this land of $3/gal gasoline and my beat-up `89 Ford Tempo averaging 22mpg city. I have free minutes after 7pm but I'm paying $50/month for those free minutes. I am an unpaid volunteer working because I believe in the party. Have you no decency, sir? Are you so jaded that you refuse to believe anybody is ever acting in anything other than purely their own self-interest? Do you think that whoever's calling you, paid or not, asking for money or not--do you think you're really getting back at them if you vote for their opponent?

    I can only speak for myself but if someone strays from the questions I ask (which are purely "do you usually vote Democratic or Republican," "do you usually vote a straight ticket," "are you inclined or disinclined to support [candidate] for [office]," and if they're giving enthusiastic positive answers I'll ask if they'd like lawn signs for free) I respectfully acknowledge them with "that's fine" or "I understand." Sometimes I'll get people who want to talk my ear off, and I sometimes have to resort to a courteous "I'm afraid we're only doing polling on these specific questions tonight." Because we are. I have about eight lines, each with a name and the numbers 1-5. That's how I can put down your answer. I don't hang up on people, though I have been hung up on. I was once introducing myself and then somebody started talking over me and said "I'm not interested in donating any money." Before I could tell her I'm only doing polling--which, sincerely, I am--she'd hung up on me. Who's the asshole, here? The asshole who is asking Americans about their political beliefs or the asshole who's hanging up on somebody without letting the other person finish? It's no skin off my back. If someone tells me they don't vote, I'll thank them for their time and get off the phone.

    There's a particular set of bills that was passed a long time ago, these couple of amendments to the Constitution, and they guaranteed some freedoms: freedom of peaceful assembly, freedom of speech, some others. I'm getting in touch with my fellow Americans because I believe in the candidates and the platforms the Democratic Party of Idaho supports. I respect the beliefs of those who disagree. But it's my right and, I feel, my duty to support political candidates who I feel will do a better job. That's why I don't vote a straight ticket when I vote. Forgive me, but I personally believe that voting and being politically involved is virtuous.

    The solution to problems that freedom brings isn't less freedom, it's more. If you have no political convictions then I suggest you courteously tell them as much and ask to not be called anymore. If they insist then you can progress or hang up as you'd like. If you have political convictions, though, maybe you can just tell them you'd like to keep them confidential. I really don't know what to tell you. If you think they're slime then this is probably falling on deaf ears.

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    1. Re:a word from an insider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The solution to problems that freedom brings isn't less freedom, it's more.
      Funny how your freedom trumps my freedom to control my own phone.

      If you have no political convictions then I suggest you courteously tell them as much and ask to not be called anymore.
      And if you have political convictions you are required to receive annoying phone calls?

    2. Re:a word from an insider by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, you fucking moron, it's NOT your right to call and disturb people who don't wish to be disturbed by you, or to eat up the minutes they paid for in order to do it.

      There's a fundamental natural right that trumps anything the Constitution or case law might say you can do, and it's called "the right to be left alone". Leave people the fuck alone!

      You can believe and your cause and support your party all you wish, just so long as it doesn't involve infringing upon my natural right to be left the fuck alone.

      People like you truly disgust me. Your argument is no better than when the telemarketers bitched about losing their "right to free speech" when the Do Not Call list was enacted. Sorry, but my right to be left alone trumps your right to free speech, so fuck you.

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