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Mac Pro, Mac OS X Virtual Desktops Announced at WWDC

haym37 writes "Of the many announcements yet to come at WWDC, the first is the announcement of the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro contains two Intel Xeons, up to 3 GHz, and is supposed to be 1.6x to 2.1x the speed of the PowerMac G5 quad. It can hold up to 2 TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory. The graphics card can be up to a Radeon x1900 or an FX4500. The case will be the same as the PowerMac." MacRumors.com is providing running coverage from the floor (Note: "[U]pdates will be automatically inserted at the top of the updates section. Do not reload manually."), including another announcement that OS X will include virtual desktops. What a great idea!

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  1. My keynote thoughts so far... by MBCook · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll go through my impressions mostly in order (I'm writing this in TextEdit as I follow the keynote). Not much surprise in the Mac Pro department (although it's nice to hear that they are actually cheaper). The pure 64-bit OS was predicted and is unsurprising. I like the little jabs at Microsoft. It's one thing to say "MS steals from us" but to put up comparison shots is just great, after all the features are just implemented so closely. The price comparisons were neat, but I wonder how long they will hold (I don't think Dell will take it in stride, their prices will get adjusted I'm betting).

    I've gotta say I love the idea of Time Machine. I'm glad they put that in there. Considering how little hard drive space the average person uses compared to how much space is in new computers, this is an excellent feature. Now I don't have to use some stupid 3rd party program any more. I question the interface a little though.

    They are building Front Row into Leopard. That's kind of neat, although I don't see myself using it right now. Still, if I was in a dorm and had my iMac or something I bet it would be great.

    Spaces! Seems like the true virtual desktops that everyone has been asking for. I like the idea that you can pre-create a space and then launch it and it will bring those apps up (if I'm reading about it right). That would be fantastic.

    I'm glad they improved Spotlight. It is a tiny bit pokey on my 1.67 GHz G4. To use it as an application launcher is great. I used it that way for a while but it was just too slow, so I started using Quicksilver (although I don't use any of QS's advanced features). The ability to search across your home network is KILLER and would save my parents SO MUCH TIME from how they do things on Windows.

    CoreAnimation looks interesting and I bet a few people will do some incredible stuff with it, although it's also one of those features I can see being abused. I found it very interesting they promoted Universal Access. You never hear about that in the Windows world (I know it's there, it just doesn't ever seem to be talked about on mainstream sites).

    Moving ToDos into Mail is interesting. The idea that ToDos can be moved into multiple applications and they all talk with the same database is quite nice. I'm sure quite a few people will like the stationary idea, but to me e-mail is best as plain text. I can only see that ending up like looking at my little sister's AIM conversations. You want to talk about eye-bleeding-color-schemes (and they say men have no sense of color). Notes is great too. I've been using the scheme that I've used since I was on Windows (type them out in TextEdit or NotePad and just save 'em). Still, having the pictures in there well and making it look like the iWeb templates is nice. I haven't seen any other e-mail software really try something like that (not that I've looked).

    Note: iWeb needs a SERIOUS update. It really proves the "Apple 1.0" theory.

    I've got to say, these improvements to iCal and iMail just make me want a new Newton all the more. My Windows Mobile 2k3 device is just so clunky compared to iCal or the Newtons of olde.

    Web Clip looks killer. That is just a great feature. I have quite a few sites where I only look at one little portion and to be able to bring up Dashboard and see that portion would be great. Only Apple seems to make it that easy for an end user. Why go search to see if someone has made the widget you need when you can do it yourself so easily? "See Grandma, computers aren't so scary."

    Being able to show photos to people over an iChat chat is great.

    My only real complaints with OS X as it is now are kind of minor. Dashboard sucks up WAY too much CPU (especially when starting). I'd like to see finder be multi-threaded, you can occasionally see it need it. I'd like to see a special button put on the MacBooks to activate Expose. Using F9-F12 is clumsy when F9 and F10 are already bound to something else and you have to hit "function". Using the screen corners just c

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    1. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by yabos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is nothing like System Restore. Please read about it before commenting. This is a versioning system for your whole computer or probably for specific folders you want it to watch. You can save over your file by accident and use TimeMachine to get the old version back. Can't do that with SystemRestore. SystemRestore only works for system updates and program installations, not all your documents. Also if you delete a file and later decide you want it back you can do this with TimeMachine. Can't do that with System Restore. It's also not like shadow copy or the Backup utility in WinXP because it works with different versions of specific files and you can choose to recover only a single file instead of restoring the whole thing. Plus you can easily preview the backed up file before restoring it.

    2. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by frankie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      System Restore? You must be joking. First, it's a system-wide snapshot, all or nothing. Second, you have to pick time points for snapshot creation and let it run. Third, SR is only to protect Windows System files from corruption (which Mac users don't worry about), not user documents.

      Time Machine (from what we've seen) is granular to individual files, and works transparently in the background every time you change a file.

      Sheesh. You may as well claim that iTunes is an imitation of WMP.

    3. Re:My keynote thoughts so far... by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Insightful
      very old idea and there are products today that do it. thank God we have Apple to invent it again for the very first time!


      Well, there's inventing something and then there is skillfully integrating it into a GUI that's easy enough to use that your mom can (and will) use it. An implementation may be the bee's knees in terms of what it can theoretically do, but if it's too hard (read: not click-and-drool dead simple) to use, then for 95% of the people out there it might as well not exist.


      That said, I wonder how Time Machine will affect system performance for developers... will I need to disable it to avoid losing all my drive spacing to useless copies of obsolete object files? And if it does its synchronization action every day at midnight, does that mean that it won't work on my Mac that I power down when I leave the office?

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  2. Photocopied! by bandrzej · · Score: 5, Insightful

    About time with the virtual windows! Took them long enough...all other major *nix based window managers have them. Makes their "photocopying" comment at WWDC seem double edged, eh?

    Too bad about natural virtualization in OS X though. At least VM Ware is now coming to the party.

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  3. I'm a mac fanboy but by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I consider it a bit of a double standard to be criticizing Microsoft for "photocopying" on one hand and then unveiling a bunch of features that have been done before. Virtual desktop yes, but also the whole "time machine" which is really just a versioning system from the looks of it. VMS had that years and years ago, it's nothing new.
    It just seems like they are stretching with Leopard. They promoted the hell out of tiger before the WWDC where it was first shown off, and for good reason. I personally will be sticking with Tiger till my next mac, which won't be till 2008 provided my powerbook doesn't get stolen.

  4. Why criticise? by also-rr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Good features *should* be copied from operating system to operating system - that way everyone gets the best of what is available! Who cares who invented it first, as long as people are implimenting the slickest ideas and improving on them where possible.

    I just hope they get around to copying window shading, window tabbing and focus on mouse as fast as possible.

  5. Re:Underwhelming.. by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I concur. The versioning FS is nice, but it's really just a pretty UI on something that VMS had a couple of decades ago. Spotlight over the network? The pre-Tiger technical docs I read about Spotlight said that it was a Tiger feature; the fact that I didn't even notice that they'd pulled it shows how useful it is.

    Core Animation? Maybe nice, I'd have to see. It sounds like they're really going after Adobe with that one though; I hope it doesn't backfire...

    Mail stationary? I hated that 'feature' in Outlook Express a decade ago, and I can't imagine not hating it today.

    The most disappointing thing was the lack of Core 2 MacBooks. I was planning on ordering one this evening. The Mac Pros look nice, but I can't imagine buying a desktop in 2006.

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  6. Who fired Apple's industrial design team? by THotze · · Score: 3, Insightful

    so it looks like Apple's Mac Pro and the new XServe are relatively powerful, etc., etc., but....

    who fired their design team? I mean, Apple hasn't released a new form factor since the Mac mini... two years ago now, nearly? And I understand that there are technical challenges with making the transition to Intel, and that the Mac Pro is all new on the inside even if its little different on the outside.... but... Apple's products used to be items to be lusted over because of their looks alone.

    The only new look from the Intel transition is the MacBook (not Pro) and... its almost uninspiring. Its like they took an iBook and flattened it a little... and while it is a pretty sexy form factor, its not like the days of yore when the PowerBooks were new and beautiful (and now you can get the SAME enclosure, almost unaltered, in a MacBook Pro, 3 years later), the iMac went from cute to beautiful, etc.

    And I don't buy that Apple's worried about scaring away people with new form factors with the Intel transition - I mean, would anybody REALLY be that surprised by a new physical enclosure? I mean, really?

    Sure, there are issues to be sorted out - MacBooks yellowing, MBPs burning at corona-like temperatures... but I feel like these are start up issues that would be the same whether Apple played it safe with new form factors or not.

    So it looks like OS X is less about the new shiny than before, and their hardware's less about the shiny than before. Before, OS X and Apple's hardware were both technically advanced AND beautiful - why is Apple just saying "job's done, lets move on" with the beauty aspect?

    Tim

    1. Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So from your comment it sounds like the only good industrial design (as far as you're concerned) is new industrial design. I personally feel that the designs of almost all of their machines are quite nice and I don't care that they haven't changed in a while. When you find something that works, stick with it...

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    2. Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at History, please.

      When Apple adopted the G3 in the PowerMac, they kept the Beige style case for a generation before releasing the B&W G3 case.
      When Apple adopted the G4 in the PowerMac, they kept the G3 style case but changed it's color to silver
      When Apple moved to the G5 PowerMac they moved to a new style case, but now that they have switched to Intel they kept the G5 style case (at least for now)

      When Apple released a new iBook, it was with a G3; it was upgraded to the G4 with no real changes, and then when they moved to the Intel CPU it remained essentially the same, with only the keyboard being brand new.

      The PowerBooks tell a similar story, moving to Titanium with the G4, then aluminum for several generations, the keeping the aluminum with the switch to Intel.

      There is a reason to not redesign something: Less bugs, less cost, higher reliability. Wait until they work out all the kinks with the new CPUs, motherboards, and electrics, then introduce a new case with new problems.

  7. Sounds like a nice GUI for versioning though by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree, Time Machine sounds like just VMS file versioning - but I wouldn't discount Apple bringing a lot of good UI on top of that. There's a lot of value into bringing versioning to people who otherwise would not be able to use it.

    I was actually pretty glad to see Time Machine as the file versioning coming in Vista was the one thing I was wishing I could get in Leopord, and did not expect to see.

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  8. world wide DEVELOPER conference by k2r · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and nobody's talking about

    "xcode 3.0 released today" ...

    k2r

  9. Re:While I'm impressed with what Apple is offering by 2nd+Post! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What, automatic, free, version controlled backup isn't a leap forward? Data loss is probably the next biggest thing a user can encounter outside of spyware and viruses, and so far the Mac has proven itself relatively immune.

    Then there is the free built in video conferencing, desktop sharing, and remote access made possible with iChat.

    And on top of that is the network capable Spotlight, allowing a private network to access public files from any machine... a great reason to have a second machine :)

    Data is:
    1) No longer trapped on a single machine (think end users who require floppies and CD-Rs to transfer files)
    2) Data loss is less of an issue (think end users to delete whole directories by accident)
    3) Remote access is easy (think end users who don't know how to use the Control Panel to update their settings)

  10. And... iCal by EvilStein · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's face it, folks. The open source community has been a FAILURE when it comes to beating Exchange & Outlook at calendaring. Don't waste my time with Mozilla "Lightning" or Sunbird. They have managed to create exactly *dick* in the past few years. (See my previous posts about it.)

    Here comes iCal, doing everything that Sunbird should have done several years ago. Here is the first chance at an "Outlook killer." Mail 3 & iCal = notes, to do, free/busy scheduling, auto scheduling, resource scheduling..

    http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ical.html

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  11. Re:FP? by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think that that a more ambitious and useful plan would be if GNUStep project were rebooted to implement Cocoa / OS X rather than a dead operating system (NextStep 3.3). That might actually invigorate the project to the point that it becomes more mainstream and useful. It wouldn't hurt either if it adopted the GTK theme engine and other modern UI guidelines so at least it looked and felt like just another application rather than some weirdo UI with its own window manager.

  12. Re:Apple pages by Phroggy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    i noticed nothing was said about the finder.. shame.

    Yes, that omission seems rather conspicuous. It's almost as if Apple has something to hide.

    Oh wait, Jobs said they do!

    My money's on significant improvements to the Finder, and they didn't want to show it off because they don't want Microsoft stealing it yet. I'm hoping they fix network integration; I have all kinds of weird problems accessing SMB volumes, and FTP has never really worked at all. But I'm sure there are all kinds of UI improvements they've been working on, that they want to keep under wraps. I certainly hope so - Lord knows there's room for improvement in that area!

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