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DC Power Saves 15% Energy and Cost @ Data Center

Krishna Dagli writes "Engineers at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and about 20 technology vendors this month will wrap up a demonstration that they said shows DC power distribution in the data center can save up to 15 percent or more on energy consumption and cost. The proof-of-concept program, set up at Sun Microsystems' Newark, Calif., facility, offered a side-by-side comparison of a traditional AC power system and a 380-volt DC distribution system, running on both Intel-based servers and Sun systems."

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  1. Deadly DC? by drgonzo59 · · Score: 4, Informative
    DC will kill you much quicker than AC of the same voltage/amperage. .
    I always thought the opposite was true. Here is a wiki quote that also supports that:
    Low frequency (50 - 60 Hz) AC currents can be more dangerous than similar levels of DC current since the alternating fluctuations can cause the heart to lose coordination, inducing ventricular fibrillation,...
    Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Currents/
  2. What's new about this? by Flying+pig · · Score: 5, Informative
    DC buses have been used in military and industrial equipment since DC/DC converters were invented. (In fact, other former Cambridge undergraduates may remember the old 200V DC bus in the Cavendish labs, exposed contacts to the motors and all. Nostalgia...)

    You can also store DC whereas you cannot store AC, meaning UPS always need an AC-DC followed by a DC-AC stage. Since we have had large FET power transistors it has been possible to make DC/DC conversion very efficient - especially since, if you were beginning again, you would not choose 50 or 60 Hz for best efficiency.

    In fact, already the PC is using a DC bus to power small peripherals (USB) and it works surprisingly well.

    I may be wrong about this, but it was Edison who accused DC power of being more dangerous ("Westinghoused") only to have AC adopted for the pleasant US custom of humanely frying criminals.

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  3. Re:Safety by Engineering_bully · · Score: 5, Informative
    You probably don't realize that most of the lighting and mechanical systems in your data center are already 277/480 VAC. That is the standard power configuration for a new commercial building (cuts down on conductor sizes). There is a dedicated transformer to create 120 VAC for all the plug loads.

    In a properly designed DC system, your no more/less safe than your already are.

    (Sorry for the repost - I finally remembered my login)

  4. "Larger power cables" - WRONG by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative
    The assertion that DC requires larget cables is WRONG.

    From the article:
    The proof-of-concept program, set up at Sun Microsystems' Newark, Calif., facility, offered a side-by-side comparison of a traditional AC power system and a 380-volt DC distribution system, running on both Intel-based servers and Sun systems.
    (emphasis mine)
    A DC system also would mean having to bring in larger cables than now exist with AC power.


    The power lost in the cables varies as the resistance of the cable and the current in the cable.

    The power delivered to the equipment varies as the current in the cable and the voltage on the cable.

    A 380 volt DC system can deliver as much power per unit current in the cables as a 380 volt AC system (assuming a near-unity power factor).

    Ergo, the size of the cables for a 380VDC system will be the same as the size of cables for a 380VAC system.

    So, if the comparison is against a 240VAC system, then a 380VDC system will have SMALLER cables, not larger. Only if the system being compared against is a 440VAC system will the cables be larger.

    Also - a 380VRMS AC system will have a peak voltage of about 540 volts (two significant digits in, two significant digits out), and thus will require MORE insulation than a 380VDC system.

    Also - the first things a switching power supply does is rectify the AC into DC and dump it into a capacitor (and usually do power factor correction): so a power supply designed to run from DC needs neither the power factor correction nor the big capacitor (a smaller cap will still be needed, but not one that can carry the system through the bulk of the AC cycle when the voltage is below peak). This makes the power supply simpler, and removes switching losses from the rectifier (granted, a modern synchronous rectifier based on IGBJTs will have a very low loss - but it still is a loss.)

    Also - creating a backup for 380VDC is pretty easy - you use a battery bank floated at the 380VDC level. No need to "switch" from mains power to battery - you are ALWAYS running on battery, and the mains power is just charging the battery. This is how the phone company does it - the central office has a bank of batteries providing 48VDC, which is float charged from the mains. Lose mains power, and the system doesn't even blink.

    (Yes, you need to have fusing to prevent those batteries from going nuclear if shorted, but that is a much simpler problem to solve than the issues of switching to backup power for an AC system.).

    Yes, you have to design the equipment to run off the 380VDC - so you need different power supply front ends: most power supplies are split into 2 parts - the front end that takes mains power and makes about 300VDC on a cap, and the back end that makes the lower voltages from that - so the back end of the power supply does not need to be redesigned. Moreover, most power supplies use an off-the-shelf front end module, and any "magic" is in the back end - so this is NOT a major issue.
  5. Re:Safety by peragrin · · Score: 5, Informative

    So you also failed electrical theory, as well.

    DC is harmless unless it has a path to carry it. You can grab a 380 volt DC line and not feel a thing. now if you then touch a grounded object, or the return path you are dead. But you have to make the connection. AC is lethal at 220v. As others posted it does have the advantage of forcing the mucsles to spasm so you can let go of the wire, But still zaps you every time you touch the cable.

    Go look up the history of Edison vs Westinghouse. Edison wanted DC power all around because it is inherently safer. a Broken AC wire can zap you, were as a broken DC wire can be touched with bare hands.

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  6. Re:Here, here! by saider · · Score: 5, Informative

    Copper losses are created by current and are described by the equation I^2 * R. So as you double your current, you quadruple your power losses.

    Conversely, if you halve your current by boosting the voltage, you can reduce your transmission losses by 75%. Thats a pretty good reason to go with higher voltage. And since this is in the datacenter, you can train your people not to pee on the red wire.

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  7. Speaking of conductor sizes.... by Phreakiture · · Score: 4, Informative

    Speaking of conductor sizes, the article said this:

    A DC system also would mean having to bring in larger cables than now exist with AC power.

    I challenge this notion. Conductor size is not related to whether the power is AC or DC or what frequency of AC it might be; it is related to current.

    Larger cables are needed when more current is passed. Traditionally, you need larger cables for DC, because traditionally, DC power systems were lower voltages (12, 24, 48) than AC systems, and these lower voltages required larger currents for same power (e.g. 100W= 830mA at 120V, but 8.3A at 12V). Running at 380V, however, you get to lower the current (excluding the reduced current caused by the 15% power savings) versus a 120V system.

    Expanding on that, the reduced conductor size is proportional to the square of the reduced current. Simply by going from 120V to 380V (a factor of 3.17), you change the current flow downward by a factor of .32. This means you can change the cable cross-section area to by a factor of .1; you reduce the cable to one-tenth its original size; one tenth the copper.

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  8. Re:Safety by CaptainPuppydog · · Score: 5, Informative
    If you happen to grab a DC power line this is especially dangerous, as an AC line with throw you off while a DC line will cause you to simply grab harder and you can't let go.

    From http://www.andamooka.org/reader.pl?pgid=liecDCDC_3 , AC will tend to induce fibrillation of the heart, while DC will tend to 'freeze' it. A 'frozen' heart is more likely to regain a normal beat than a fibrillating (rapid, irregular beat) heart. Either way, not a 'Good Thing'.

    Note to the wise: Wherever possible, always approach a circuit with the back of your hand. If it is DC, the muscle reaction in case of contact/shock will tend to pull your arm away. If it is AC, same thing will happen. Depending on the voltage present on the conductor, you may even feel the hairs on the back of your hand react to the field produced, i.e., they will 'stand up'.

    CPD.
  9. Re:Safety by Unique2 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I recommend this website especially the section on Health and Safety before someone gets killed from following electrical safety advice from Slashdot. Some really good advice about lockouts, measuring supposedly dead points 3 times (once to see if its live, once against a known source, and once to make sure your meter wasn't faulty the first time) and making first contact using the back of your hand.

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