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How the IBM PC Changed the World

Sabah Arif writes "On August 12, 1981, IBM released the IBM PC 5150. In less than two years, IBM had created a computer that would not only change IBM, but the entire world, mostly because it did not follow IBM tradition. It used an outside microprocessor (instead of the nascent IBM 801), operating system and software. Low End Mac recounts the birth of the IBM PC 5150."

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  1. The Next Big Thing by ian_mackereth · · Score: 5, Funny
    I reckon it was the Turbo button that was the best part of early PCs.

    These days, no turbo button, so I'm stuck at a crawling 3GHz...

    1. Re:The Next Big Thing by Squarewav · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wish there was a modern version of the "Turbo" button

      for thoes that don't know.. so many games and programs were made for the 8086/8088 that when they started upping the clockspeed many games ran too fast so they implimented the turbo button so that you could slow down the cpu to make old games and such useable

      would be nice now to beable to push a button and have games from around 1995~ or so that I have lieing around playable again.. but alas that would be an interesting trick sence you'd have to impliment 3dfx voodoo 1, soundblaster and true dos in software/hardware

    2. Re:The Next Big Thing by Snover · · Score: 5, Informative

      And imagine that, they've done it. (Well, except for the Voodoo. But I bet that would happen eventually.)

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    3. Re:The Next Big Thing by Valacosa · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I wish there was a modern version of the "Turbo" button
      So do I. I wonder how many FPS I'd get in Unreal Tournament 2K4 if I suddenly dropped my CPU* down to 8 MHz mid-game. My guess: 0.0037. Hey, we could start expressing Frames Per Second in scientific notation!

      * Before some humourless nerd points this out, yes, I know a good chunk of the graphics in modern games is generated by a dedicated GPU. Lets pretend the turbo button affects the video card too, okay? It's a personal fantasy of mine.
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    4. Re:The Next Big Thing by pimpimpim · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hmmm, let me think, reintroducing something from the 80's as if it was your own innovation..... Maybe you should just wait for the next WWDC! Except that it won't be called 'turbo' anymore (that is really too 80's), but more something like "Engage". And it won't be an actual button, but more some sort of fancy transparent widget.

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    5. Re:The Next Big Thing by poolmeister · · Score: 2, Informative

      You mean like DOSBox?

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    6. Re:The Next Big Thing by indifferent+children · · Score: 2, Funny
      Hey, we could start expressing Frames Per Second in scientific notation!

      Silly gamer! It's so much easier to change the unit: "I'm getting 13 frames per hour".

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    7. Re:The Next Big Thing by eples · · Score: 2, Informative

      It wasn't just for "games", dude.

      Clockspeed also affected hardware - I remember that in order to format early hard drives on an 8088 (XT) you had to drop back down to 4.7 MHz.

      Why did you post that??

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  2. CPM by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know why it is considered so great historically. CPM machines had spreadsheets and dBASE and word-processors and were doing quite well. The IBM PC stole that market and killed CPM because of the brand name. CPM would have been the base framework of the machines we use today had it not been for the IBM PC. In fact, the PC barrowed CPM-machine hardware in many cases.

    1. Re:CPM by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Informative

      CP/M was one of the OSes that IBM offered on the PC. So the PC itself didn't kill CP/M, rather it was probably Microsoft's much lower pricepoint for PC-DOS, along with all the customers who didn't feel that CP/M offered enough additional value to justify the extra cost.

    2. Re:CPM by mbstone · · Score: 2, Informative

      CP/M 86 was about the same price. But nobody wanted to type >pip >b:file=a:file (or whatever it was) instead of >copy a:file b: ?

    3. Re:CPM by 70Bang · · Score: 4, Informative


      Windows killed OS/2.[1]

      Microsoft & IBM had a partnership underway. When it came to renewal & examination of what stood where, Microsoft gracefully bowed out. That left Windows and OS/2 on the market [as separate products]. I don't have dates for other releases, but I know Windows 3.1 was in the March<->May '92 timeframe and remember working on an OS/2 book (power users) in the late '92 or '93 timeframe. For some time, software packages which ran on one ran on the other. This was still a DOS environment as you couldn't boot Windows and there were several flavors of DOS.

      Several Microsoft documents detailing meeting minutes indicated a discussion about making it such Windows wouldn't run upon anything but MS-DOS. The resolution was, "Only if it will absolutely, positively runs on MS-DOS [no matter what, no question whatsoever]; if it runs on something else, that's fine...it's better to err by running on too much than too little." The goal was to make it WOM[2]people would call and the response would be, "I'm sorry, Windows only runs on MS-DOS. I can put you in touch with the Sales[3] department so you can purchase a copy."

      There are a few packages which are still OS/2-only, although they might be migrating if not having done so recently. The missus works at a large hospital and Pyxis (automated med dispenser, it tracks userid, password, station, date|time, medication, doseage, etc. Basically, it a data collection system where you enter the necessary info and a drawer with the meds opens up for you to remove the meds. If the hospital has moved from OS/2, it's been less than a year and was extremely painful. They've had plenty of problems anyway, so I don't remember which one of the agonizing pains brought home would have been the migration. (fortunately, they're better than SMS on the mainframe (from days of yore). I so hated trying to protect the machines the systems programmers|technical support were responsible for and SMS demanded God privileges in order to do their work, walking in like stormtroopers. That's when we found out they were all OJT.[4]

      Someone mentioned CP/M and the turbo button. With the commercials today, one would expect an [Easy] button instead - slow things down & make them intolerably slow. I'm guessing any version of Windows would be like pushing the [Easy] button. Perhaps, push the [Easy] button and a list of Windows partitions (in order of slowness) would pop up and ask you which one you want to run. ;)
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      [1] The saying about OS/2 was DB/2, OS/2, PS/2: Half of a database running on half an operating system running on half of a PC.
      [2] WOM = Write-Only Memory. Infinite storage capacity, but if you try to read...out comes the smoke and they call support. "Smoke came out of the cabinet? Are you certain? Did you try to read from it? Oh, I'm sorry. It's read-only. You can store as much as you want, but you cannot retrieve it. During a trip to an ACM conference in college '84, several of us who had a few too many glasses of gin (I hate vermouth) and bloody maries were working out the details to create a glossy brochure to send to the profs.
      [3] Remember, Microsoft's strengths are Marketing, PR, and Sales; aka Huey, Dewey and Louie. I don't think people calling would understand if someone said, "I'll put you in touch with Donald Duck's nephew, Louie Duck." ;)
      [4] On the Job Training. "We'll hire you dirt-cheap but won't send you to any classes. That costs money. The best thing to do is send you out into the mean, harsh world and you'll figure things out with time. Providing you don't booger up the clients' systems first. This isn't a case of being hired and learn things fast. This is being hired today and sent to a client site tomorrow without a parachute or docs.

    4. Re:CPM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      > CP/M 86 was about the same price

      CP/M: $240
      IBM PC DOS: $40

      Identical, except for a leading digit.

  3. First personal PC by zymano · · Score: 2, Informative

    Was the 'blue box' Altair.

    It inspired most of the techno-nerds from Gates to Jobs.

  4. the x86 by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the one hand, the x86 is a terrible design. It doesn't have enough registers, and the assembly interface is awkward (especially in the FPU). On the other hand, the openness of the architecture has freed us from the shackles of dependency on a single company for hardware (which DRM would like to lay back on us). If you don't like Intel, you can go to AMD. There are tons of board manufacturers to choose from, and all the parts need to be (more or less) interoperable.

    This prevents one manufacturer from imposing their wishes on us. If Microsoft had control of their personal computer platform the way apple does, we surely would have lost the battle to DRM already. Computers would be more expensive because there wouldn't be competition from cheap manufacturers in Taiwan to drive the prices down.

    The x86 may be an ugly beast, but it gives us the freedom that only openness can bring. And I will drink to that.

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    1. Re:the x86 by evilviper · · Score: 3, Insightful
      This prevents one manufacturer from imposing their wishes on us. If Microsoft had control of their personal computer platform the way apple does, we surely would have lost the battle to DRM already.

      If the PC was as tightly controlled as Apple's platform was... You probably would not ever have heard of Microsoft.

      Microsoft didn't make the PC, IBM did. They were just lucky enough to be in the right place at the right time, to ride the wave of "openness", which depended on their closed software for interoperability.

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    2. Re:the x86 by linguae · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are just a few problems:

      The x86 has managed to kill off every other competing processor in the desktop space and relegate them to embedded computing or history books. First Alpha, then MIPS, and finally the PowerPC. (I'm typing this on an Intel Mac). We are now back to one architecture again, which is good for compatibility, but sucks for platform diversity. Not that I'm complaining about my computer (or the latest x86 offerings in general); you can't go wrong with the 1.83GHz Core Duo. The new Xeon chips make a dream machine. Intel did a very good job with the internals of the processor, by making it RISC-like (while still maintaining the x86 instruction set) and making it perform fast and relatively cool at the same time. I also like AMD's offerings; the Athlon 64 makes 64-bit computing very affordable (with great performance). But what about 10-20 years from now? Where will the new computer architecture ideas (or, more specifically, microprocessor ideas) come from? Will we finally get beyond the x86 instruction set? (Anybody who can point me to some recent academic/industrial research in this area will make me happy).

      Secondly, guess who is in the Trusted Computing Group? Intel and AMD. My Intel Mac has a TPM chip used to make sure I don't do something like purchasing a $299 Dell special desktop and installing OS X on it. Most new Core Duo laptops sold have some sort of TPM chip on them, although as of yet they have no use (unless you have a Mac). Imagine what happens when the law/**AA/Microsoft/whatever demands hardware-enforced DRM. Well, we already have the hardware on the Intel machines. AMD probably doesn't want to lose a few sales and doesn't want to look out of date, so they'll implement a TPM chip, too. Since there are no other architectures to choose from, you're stuck.

      Now, hopefully this doesn't happen. I am optimistic that this won't happen. There is quite a bit of backlash of DRM (even with normal consumers; look at the Sony rootkit fiasco, for example). However, it can happen, and the architecture for hardware-enforced DRM is falling into place. It's just the software that's falling behind, as usual.

    3. Re:the x86 by nickos · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Originally, IBM's engineers had wanted to use the much nicer Motorola 68000, but some of the business types at IBM had a deal with Intel so they went with the 8088 instead. I see no reason why things couldn't have developed differently with the 68k series being used instead of the x86 - the platform could still be open and other companies would still clone the 68k...

  5. It was Compaq that opened up the clone market by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article gave pretty short shrift to the Compaq engineers for the reverse engineering of the PC architecture.

    Imagine you were Chinese and had laid bare before you the innards of some cool technology that until now was locked up tight. You'd be the first one to put down your eggroll and cat-kabob and get right to the task of extracting its secrets. That's when you'd open up the clone market. It wouldn't be the prerogative of the original company whether you created the clone or not, it's out of their hands once they decided to use an open architecture.

    Compaq blazed the clone trail, not IBM.

  6. Re:Does it run UBUNTU ? It must run UBUNTU !! by kongit · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sadly I couldn't get it too, wouldn't fit on a 5" floppy.

  7. No, Columbia Data Systems was first by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just after the PC introduction (at NCC fall 1981) I told my father-in-law that we should re-implement the software used for OCR processing in his downtown office. We should select something PC-compatible since this new open architecture was bound to generate compatibles, thereby ensuring a pretty long lifetime.

    After looking around the market, we bought two Columbia PCs, one desktop (with an immense, never to be filled, 10 MB hard drive) and one luggable, for the same price as a single IBM PC.

    The Columbia machine came with a BIOS/HW manual that documented all the various lowlevel interfaces, including the port adresses for things like the serial port and the interrupt controller, which allowed me to write a hw interrupt driver for the incoming 9600 baud OCR data stream.

    Columbia was both earlier than Compaq and more compatible, but that didn't matter, they still went under a couple of years later. The PCs lived for many years however. :-)

    Terje

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  8. Re:Impact by plover · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Looking back at the past, IBM was probably one of the most influential computer companies.

    "Probably"? :-) When I was in college, Apples were 'it' for the in-school computers -- IBM hadn't developed the 'PC' yet. We still had terminals and modems for accessing the CDC mainframe, but the Apples were there, and they were all yours. No sharing, no operators, just pop in your disc and go. It was an amazing machine.

    I wanted to get one for home, but my dad told me we weren't going to buy an Apple. He was waiting for the IBM home computer to come out. He said "IBM doesn't do anything half-assed. If there's a business need for it, IBM will come along and completely dominate the market. Apple will be pushed aside; they'll never make it as the mainstream computer for businesses."

    I, of course, couldn't believe that for a second. Every school in the state had Apples, they were everywhere, and this IBM thing didn't even exist! How could he even think that a company with no experience in home computers would take over the market, especially since Apple was so well entrenched?

    Y'know, I wish I'd listened to my dad more. He was a very, very wise man.

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  9. Thank Phoenix Technologies by reporter · · Score: 4, Informative
    The IBM PC exerted a tremendous impact on the entire computer industry due to the confluence of 4 important factors.

    1. The IBM PC was initially sold for about $1295. That was much cheaper than any other IBM computer. Apple and Commodore had cheaper computers, but small-business owners want the IBM name on their computers. Business people tended to view Apple computers and Commodore computers as toys.

    2. The computer had the IBM label on it. These days, the IBM label does not carry the same cachet that the IBM name carried in the 1980s. At that time, IBM dominated the mindshare in the computer industry. People often said, "No one was ever fired for buying an IBM computer."

    3. IBM encouraged other companies to build hardware and software for the IBM PC. It literally came with a full set of manuals documenting the entire BIOS and the internal wiring among the chips of the motherboard. Compare that open approach to, say, the typical Sony laptop. The plethora of software and hardware peripherals for the IBM PC enabled it to be adapted to a wide-range of useful applications: music synthesis, video games, desktop publishing, real-time intruder monitoring, etc.

    4. Phoenix Technologies cloned the BIOS, enabling an army of companies to legally build functioning clones of the IBM PC. This army of cloners then spawned an entire universe of component suppliers. This intense competition among so many cloners and suppliers drastically lowered the price of the IBM PC and its clones. In turn, the lowered prices dramatically increased sales of the personal computers. Today, you can buy a Dell laptop for $500.

    As prices dropped, more people bought computers; with more people owning computers, more companies building software and hardware for the computers appeared. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.

    Among the four factors, item #4 is probably the most important factor in amplifying the impact of the IBM PC on the entire computer industry.

    You can easily see the impact of #4 by comparing (1) the size of the ecosystem of companies building hardware and software for IBM PCs (now known as Lenovo PCs) and their clones and (2) the size of the ecosystem of companies building hardware and software for 68000 Macintoshes or PowerPC Macintoshes. Still more interesting, the enormous size and supercompetitive nature of the 1st ecosystem has swallowed even Apple: the new x86 Macintoshes are essentially (in a very general sense) an IBM clone. The x86 Macintoshes use the x86 (the central component of an IBM clone) and take advantage of the super-cheap VLSI chips from which IBM clones are built.

    1. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by pimpimpim · · Score: 4, Interesting
      It's easy to see that point (4), copying the idea and standards to other hardware companies, couldn't have happened if they didn't give away all the documentation as in point (3). And, point (4) not only increased the impact of IBM on the history of PCs, but it also decreased their market share as a PC supplier enormously.

      What I find interesting to speculate on, is if they would've been bigger now if they had used some sort of "trusted hardware" contract, the same as which microsoft already tries to put through for some time now: forcing suppliers to develop hardware/software only under contract, and making sure that only hardware from those suppliers will actually function on their platform (not that the hardware capacity was there to check stuff like that at the time, I guess).

      Or, would they have been marginalized by the more open competition if they would've chosen that path, and their current technique to support open standards, but deliver paid service and support for companies that need reliable software/hardware, is actually the best one?

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    2. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by clickclickdrone · · Score: 3, Interesting

      >Business people tended to view Apple computers and Commodore computers as toys.
      I'm not convinced. Over here in the UK CBM Pets and Apple IIs were all over the business world. Heck, even huge multinational banks used Apple II's. I knew some poor guy who had to log credits in to an Apple II running a database by Stoneware.
      Business magazines of that era were full of ads for Apple IIs and all the business software/hardware you could buy for them.
      Early reviews of the PC were also very negative, most noting Apple had nothing to worry about.

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    3. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by speculatrix · · Score: 2, Interesting
      2. The computer had the IBM label on it. These days, the IBM label does not carry the same cachet that the IBM name carried in the 1980s. At that time, IBM dominated the mindshare in the computer industry. People often said, "No one was ever fired for buying an IBM computer."


      IBM's previous attempts at a home or personal/small-business were laughable. And the first PCs were pretty crap compared in features and performance - whilst the first 8088 or 8086 IBMs and compatibles struggled on with 80x25 character displays, a beeper and crude user interfaces, the Mac + Atari + Amiga people had bitmapped colour displays, digital audio and WIMP.


      The only thing that made them interesting was the modularity and standard expansion slots; the rivals tended to be single-board devices which cost a lot more to expand.


      It was only when the higher end 386DXs were around and bit-mapped displays that PCs even came close to rivalling the capabilities (hardware wise) of their rivals. It's a sad sad footnote in history that so much investment in time by both developers and third parties into Amiga, Atari & BeOS software has been "lost".

    4. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting
      whilst the first 8088 or 8086 IBMs and compatibles struggled on with 80x25 character displays, a beeper and crude user interfaces, the Mac + Atari + Amiga people had bitmapped colour displays, digital audio and WIMP.

      For business applications, after evaluating both those early color displays and the IBM monochrome text displays, most people would have chosen the the text display. For the time it was very crisp, with a nice font and special long-persistence phosphors. Early color displays (including IBM's) were fuzzy with garish colors. The IBM monochrome monitor (along with the outstanding keyboard) was designed to match the look and feel of their well-respected mainframe terminals. The WIMP GUI software of the time was too primitive to offer an improvement over well designed character mode apps for most business software.

      When the PC came out, the Mac was still years in the future, and in comparison the Apple II and its ilk had poor ergonomics for someone trying to use the machine for serious work all day long.

    5. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by TheAncientHacker · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, no.

      There were a LOT of companies stealing the IBM BIOS code by typing in the source in the Technical Reference Manual. That was ruled illegal.

      What the later cloners (including Compaq) did was take the programming reference manual, hire people who would sign a legally binding statement that they had never seen the BIOS code and do a black box reverse engineering job on the functions. The best jobs were done by Compaq (who didn't resell their clean BIOS) and Phoenix who just did a much better job than everybody else. (Including things like making sure there was a "NOT (C) IBM" where IBM had their copyright statement since IBM software looked for the letters "IBM" to only run on their own machines)

    6. Re:Thank Phoenix Technologies by dfghjk · · Score: 2, Informative

      While I agree with all your points, if Phoenix hadn't cloned the BIOS someone else would have. In fact, the first "clone" (Compaq) did not use Phoenix and other, later, clones (Dell, etc) did not either. Furthermore, AMI offered a competing BIOS eventually. Vendors like Dell switched to Phoenix to obtain the marketing benefit much like they take the kickback for having the Windows and Intel stickers on their boxes.

      Phoenix desired 100% penetration and was willing to give their product away to get it since they were nearly backrupt at one time. Dell used the Phoenix name because they were offered a buyout on the license, but they continued to adapt BIOS'es themselves for their important lines. Dell contracted Phoenix to do BIOSes for Dimension machines for a period of time and those systems were the worst products Dell offered.

      I would agree that the existence of a cloned BIOS was an important matter but Phoenix was simply one of several that did it and I totally disagree that Phoenix was responsible for any marketshare differences in the platform. Phoenix was a player in the PC market but it is my opinion that the market would be little different today without them.

  10. Last one I saw was in 1995 by marked23 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I retired a 5150 in 1995. It had a hard drive and maybe 128k. We used it every day. It was the computer we all used to store our CNC programs on. Connected to a serial port switch box running 100's of feet of cable to the CNC machines. It worked until the day we turned it off and replaced it with a contemporary Pentium. That was the last time I saw a 5150 in working order.

    1. Re:Last one I saw was in 1995 by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is more likely to have been a 5160. The 5150 did not come with a harddisk. It was usually seen with two floppies, but it even had a cassette recorder interface.
      The memory often was only 32 or 64K.
      The 5160 (IBM PC XT) followed shortly after the 5150 and had a whopping 10MB Harddisk, 8 instead of 5 slots, no cassette interface, and some more memory by default.

      Somewhere in 1983 (maybe early 84) we got one of those in the office, fully populated with memory (640K) and running XENIX.
      It was used as a low-end platform for our Unix-based application that usually ran on larger systems like the NCR TOWER or a PC-like box from Fortune Systems.

      Indeed, they were reliable. I think that is one of the major contributions of IBM into the Microcomputer world. Until then, there were systems from names like Commodore, Radio Shack and Apple that really were hobby systems and had lots of glitches. IBM introduced a sturdy system (although expensive) that you could put in a workshop or professional office without worrying about it breaking down all the time, or looking like a toy.

  11. The turnaround of IBM by iota · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What the IBM 5100 really represents, in retrospect, is the beginning of the turnaround for IBM in the minds of the public. It's difficult to think of another example of a company so large and so universally despised eventually becoming the (mostly) developer friendly company it is today.

    By allowing their teams to skirt the system occasionally, we've seen truly open hardware (PowerPC) availablity, open source contributions, free training seminars for developers, etc. The 5100 was the first great example of the success that a little rule-breaking can bring to the company.

    IMO, it was exactly that product and the example that it was to IBM internally that allowed IBM to do the one thing no one was entirely sure it would be able to do in the age of personal computers -- survive.

    My hat's off to the improvements IBM has made in the last 25 years, and I hope that those lessons won't be forgotten over the next 25 years.

  12. Re:Impact by monoqlith · · Score: 2, Insightful

    His conclusion was right but his premises were false. Apple made computers as well as or better than IBM. They just weren't as prescient on the business side. They failed to get a clue once they introduced the Macintosh, when it was time for both sides to lay down their chips. Microsoft, with Windows. Apple with the Macintosh Operating System. If Apple had chosen at that point to license its operating system we would be in a very different world today. I'm not sure that I would prefer that world, because chances are Apple would have become anti-competitive and monopolistic, and their product quality would have diminished. And Microsoft wouldn't have likely risen to be the resident industry source for R&D innovation like Apple has done in actuality.
        In a way, they continue to make the same mistakes - only this time, they're not mistakes. They are still controlling every aspect of the platform. However, they are positioning themselves in such a way that will result in a much higher-profile competition with Microsoft - a head to head battle, the same hardware platform with different software. If Apple ever overtakes Microsoft in market share (in the distant future, if at all) they are then in a position to start licensing their operating system, and they will have recreated the opportunity they completely missed in 1984.

  13. At IBM WebSite say that it born at September 1981 by corretge · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the IBM Site http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/pc25/pc 25_intro.html reffers that IBM PC 5150 was released on September 1981.

  14. OTOH, assembler, board design was easy in X86 by Flying+pig · · Score: 4, Interesting
    In the late 70s/early 80s I worked with a number of 16 bit architectures - TMS9900, 8086, 68000, F101, PDP-11. The great thing about the X86 was that it was extremely easy to use for the migrating 8-bit programmer and it was easy to teach. Not so easy for me, I began on 16 bit and then in later years had to do embedded work with 8 bit processors which I hated!

    In fact all the early processors had their architectural horrors. The 9900 had an absurd system in which the bit order of IO was reverse numbered with respect to the bus and we actually got an I/O board into production before we realised this owing to the poor documentation. The 68000 constantly caught out assembly programmers because of its word alignment issues, resulting in one occasion in a programmer going near berserk and having a screaming fit in the lab, fortunately when the boss was out at a meeting. And don't talk to me about the F100/L except to say that Ferranti did not get as much pain as they deserved for creating it. Not that it would ever have become mainstream...

    It's easy to be clever with hindsight, but the Power architecture came later and too late. After, as I recall, the NS32032 which, despite some performance issues, was a processor I really liked.

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  15. $1295 by Sithech · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Yes, I remember going downtown in SF to see the PC. For $1295 you got a machine with 16 K of memory, no graphics adapter, no floppy drives. You could hook it to a cassette recorder. Pretty much a clone of the bottom-end configuration of the Apple II, at about the same cost (no, Apples weren't significantly cheaper). What it had going for it was a keyboard that included lower-case and function keys . And the graphics modes of the color adapter were very impressive. Also it could be configured with an enormous 640 K of memory, which was more than the floppy drive held.


    For the record, all the popular small systems of the time had third party add-ons. That's a tradition that goes back all the way to the Altair. The Apple II didn't even have an RF modulator, because a third-party deal saved some headaches for Apple. All the systems came with full documentation. Apple even gave you the source code for the whole ROM in a separate manual right in the box, along with the schematics. Cloning the BIOS happened long after the PC had established its place - and the first clones had significant compatibility problems. Clones really didn't take off until Compac beat IBM to market with a 386-based machine.

  16. They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore by Vollernurd · · Score: 4, Funny

    Man, the hardware... Hewn from a single piece of purest iron those things were (literally?) bullet-proof. The keyboards would last for years before even one of those keys stopped working.

    Of course, you couldn't lift them. But whilst machines now whirr away at insane speeds and generally work well their keyboards suck.

    Er... that's it. Just got misty-eyed there for a second.

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    1. Re:They Don't Make 'Em Like That Anymore by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      The descendents of the IBM Model M Keyboards are still available... Clicky clicky.

  17. Altair & the Apple I by VValdo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny you should mention it. I was just reading this fascinating account by Steve Wozniak about how he invented the Apple I (semi-technical), and he talks a bit about the Altair.

    Anyone have a "Woz" //gs?

    W

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    1. Re:Altair & the Apple I by JeffElkins · · Score: 2, Informative

      Excellent interview at the link above. Mod parent up.

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  18. Re:The article misses important details. . . by ewhac · · Score: 4, Interesting
    According to many sources, including former Microsoft employees, the bugs IBM took out were forced to remain in Microsoft's version of the OS, MS-DOS. Microsoft took advantage of these bugs to put companies such as Digital Research, WordPerfect, Lotus and others out of business by not disclosing the bugs to its competitors.

    Actually, had PC clones not emerged, Microsoft would have been relegated to the scrapheap of history as just another vendor of a BASIC interpreter. And a fairly crappy BASIC at that.

    However, once the clones emerged, MS had it made. IBM was certainly not prepared to put in the engineering work to make PC-DOS run on non-IBM hardware. Microsoft, however, was willing to do that work (or at least let PC OEMs pay Microsoft to teach them how to do it themselves), and offer pack-in deals. As such, IBM PCs came bundled with PC-DOS, and every other machine came bundled with MS-DOS.

    Back then, just about everyone in the engineering community knew MS-DOS was shit, and would steer anyone who would listen toward PC-DOS, or Digital Research's CP/M-86 or Concurrent CP/M. However, most end-users considered MS-DOS to be "good enough," and it was "free," and they wanted to be able to run the same software they used on the real IBM PC at work on their cheap(er) clone at home. And besides any bugs were the application's fault.

    Oh, and you're also forgetting what the gold standard of PC compatibility was at the time:

    Microsoft Flight Simulator.

    Amazing foresight? Maybe, to some degree. But in large measure Gates fell flat on his face into a pile of amazingly good luck.

    Schwab

  19. BBC Article by andytuna · · Score: 2, Informative
  20. Re:They Don't Make keyboards Like That Anymore by cdn-programmer · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is why I use an IBM keyboard which is over 10 years old on my present machine. The short of it is if the computer will not run this keyboard then I won't buy it or use it.

  21. Re:I was always amused by this... by pe1chl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, in those days other chip manufacturers used a single interrupt line and either polling or vectoring. Priority was determined by the software or by a hardware daisy chain (e.g. in Zilog's vectoring system, which worked beautifully).

    Intel used a special chip that was dedicated to interrupt vectoring, the 8259. It had 8 inputs of fixed priority, int 0 being the highest and int 7 being lowest.

    The 5150 had one of these, and the ints 0 to 7 were partly hardwired and partly on the ISA bus.
    A stupid design mistake was made: interrupts were edge-triggered on the 0->1 edge of the input. This was a programmable option in the 8259, which could also operate in a level-sensitive mode. This mistake meant that interrupt lines could not be shared between cards.
    (other manufacturers of the time used active-low level-sensitive mode, which meant it was possible to share interrupt lines)

    When the AT appeared, and the number of available lines was felt too limited, a second 8259 was connected to int 2 of the first, and its input were designated 8..15.
    Input 9 was connected to the bus pin that originally was number 2. Hence the 2/9.
    The priorities of inputs 8..15 became relative to int 2, thus the complete priority sequence becomes:

    0,1,[8,2/9,10,11,12,13,14,15],3,4,5,6,7

    Some of those (0,1,8,13,14) are used on the motherboard. The remainder is on the ISA bus.

    Later, when MCA and PCI were developed, engineers corrected their mistake and used level-sensitive interrupts that could be shared.
    But in the name of backward compatability, the strange interrupt numbering and handling has always remained there.
    (current systems have 24 levels and more freedom in programming the whole thing to the OS developer's liking)

  22. Re:personal computing by pe1chl · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The fuss was about a computer that could be used in a business, vs the hobby computers that were popular before that.
    Most of the hobby computers could not stand up to professional daily use, and the IBM PC could.
    Personal computing went from hobby computing to being a business tool.

  23. Maths Co-Pro by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Funny

    We're spoiled. I remember a friend enthusing that his firm had just fitted Maths CoPros to their XTs (I think) and that they could now refresh big AutoCad drawings in mere minutes.

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  24. Why all PC clones had two Power Supply connections by sirwired · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did you ever wonder why ALL XT/AT motherboards in standard form factors had two power supply connectors? Especially since they were not keyed? (swapping the two could easily blow your motherboard.) I have heard that when IBM was preparing to ship the 5150, the supplier of power supply connectors (it happened to be Molex at the time) was out of stock of the 12? pin connectors necessary to integrate the whole PS connection into one. After that, every single PC Power Supply for many years shipped with two connectors on the output, because it had always been done that way.

    Probably a crazy urban geek legend, but a cute story nonetheless.

    SirWired

  25. Economically, open always wins by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Restrictions are designed to increase the profitability of the vendor and therefore always increase the costs to customers. Inevitably at some point a more open and lower cost alternative always appears. If IBM hadn't released the specs, something else would have appeared which we'd be using now. It's economically inevitable. This is actually why Linux will ultimately replace Windows and most other operating systems.

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  26. Re:The article misses important details. . . by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it's true that Microsoft Flight Simulator (NOT Sublogic) was the compatability standard mentioned in every review, the thing that sold all those PCs and all those copies of PC/MS-DOS was Lotus 123. 123 made the PC the way VisiCalc made the Apple II. Because Lotus wrote directly to the video memory, "sorta" clones (DEC Rainbow anyone?) that had BIOS, but not physical compatability, had no chance.

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  27. Re:68000 wasn't 32 bit, being picky by nogginthenog · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The 68000 didn't have fixed opcode size. The minimum was 2 bytes though. If you think 2 kinds of registers are a nuisance you should try programming on the x86!

    Later 680x0 processors allowed you to use Dx registers as address registeres IIRC, but had a performance hit.

  28. Why is it always IBM cpus in thge 80's??? by Nichole_knc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everytime I see this I have to shake my head... I had my first "desktop" in 1978. Ok it was not much.. A Radio Shack TRS-80 16K LevelII. sporting an 8088 blazing at 4mhz, a tape drive(cassettes). Heck it even had voice recognization(worked ok, bout as good as todays stuff). I still have this machine and it works just fine.... There where also many a Heathkits out there to in those days... IMO statements such as this article makes "about IBM changeing the world" will are just plain false....

  29. Re:the x86, the 68000 by scharkalvin · · Score: 2, Informative

    First of all the 68000 cpu was not yet available when IBM started
    to design the PC. In fact, they were going to use an 8085 cpu, which
    they were using in their DataMaster series of machines. The PC ended
    up with the same bus already used in the DataMaster. IBM switched to
    the newly released 8088 at the suggestion of Bill Gates.

    The very first deliveries of 68000 cpus were locked up in advance sales
    to General Motors for use in auto electronics (smog control computers).
    Until Motorola could ramp up production very limited numbers of 68k chips
    were sold to anybody else.

    The 68000 IS a 32 bit machine in the sense that it has 32 bit registers,
    and a 32 bit instruction set. It is constructed with 16 bit data paths
    and a 16 bit alu however. The 68020 is a true 32 bit machine with 32 bit
    data paths and a 32 bit alu. The 68020 can run the same software as the
    68000 (it is actually binary compatible with the 68000). Motorola intended
    from the start to produce a 32 bit microprocessor but could not get the
    needed number of transistors on board till later on.

    The 68K series were not really a dead end. For a few years Motorola matched
    Intel with new processors. The 68030 matching the 486 and the 68040 the Pentium.
    Apple's sales were only a small precent of the PC world and Motorola was loosing
    interest in the 68K. They started promoting the PowerPC processors with IBM and
    for a while it looked like IBM would start shipping machines based on this part.
    Apple thought it would be a good idea to jump ship, but the PowerPC processors
    never really caught on outside of IBM's mini mainframe business. (Deep Blue of
    chess fame was a PowerPC cluster). Now Apple is jumping ship AGAIN, this time
    to Intel.

  30. Re:The great PC 'What if' by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The thing is, POCs weren't successful because they were clones. They were successful because they were IBM clones. Apple had their own OS. So did Commodore, Sinclair and all the others. Even more recently, Sun, SGI and all the big non Wintel companies have used their own OS. Selling the OS as a separate item has always been atypical.

    So, Scenario 1: MS manage to convince HP and DEC to licence their OS. This makes two a big assumptions in the first place - That they wouldn't want to make their own systems, and that Microsoft would be the ones who manage to convince them. But even if they do go with Microsoft, why are people going to buy these machines? They're not IBM or Apple. They have no software library. We're also assuming that IBM would do everything in house, even though Apple became successful from third party software (i.e. visicalc). My view is that IBM would make their own system, and it would sell because it was an IBM. All businesses would buy one, and prices would remain high.

    It's possible that MS would get to the same position they're in right now by writing Windows, but they'd need some degree of success beforehand, and they would be competing directly with OS2

    Meanwhile, the rest of the market would create their own competing incompatible computers. Eventually, a few of these companies would work to come up with a standard. This may use a third party's software. However, even though IBM are keeping prices high, the cost of the home computer would fall - possibly even more - and we'd have a situation similar to the 8-bit era lasting until a standard is formed.

    As for Scenario 2 (and I can't imagine MS would object to exclusivity back then): Well, I think things would turn out just the same. IBM would be more likely to succeed. If MS created windows, it would be more likely to be licenced exclusively to IBM.

    The tech industry would always have evolved. If someone can make hardware for less, then they will do so.

  31. ok, I'll play along. by nblender · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I had one of these speed demons. I grew up playing on my dad's Apple ][ (not plus) but played a lot of games. So he got me a 5150, fresh off the line. It had cassette ports even! But he splurged and got me the dual floppies. I still have my DOS1.0b diskettes and manual here, along with the other 3 manuals that came with it but sadly, the machine itself is no longer. In a bid to ensure that I wouldn't play games on it, my parents did not buy me the color graphics adapter and monitor. I had the monochrome monitor and adapter. I was a sad, sad boy. I couldn't even understand its assembly language. Sad, Sad boy of 15. Eventually I ended up getting a 300baud acoustic modem, shortly thereafter upgrading to 1200, and eventually ending up with an email address starting at !ihnp4!.... Life became more interesting around then...

  32. Eazy-E paid homage... by the+way,+what're+you · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...in his album, 5150: Home 4 Tha Sick

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