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How Do I Make Sense of Microsoft Access?

Anthony Boyd asks: "I have a pretty good tool-set for LAMP work, but as I get into Microsoft jobs, I've started to wonder if I'm working with the best tools. In particular, I'm exploring an 'out of control' Microsoft Access setup, which has about 200 tables in 30 .mdb files, including some duplicated/outdated tables. I'd like to print the properties of each table (with the comments for each field), print the table list for each database, get info on the field types & relationships, and so forth. What tools do you suggest for trying to grok a large Access mess?"

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  1. Access Has You Covered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Look for the Database Documenter in the tools menu...it will print out basically all of the information that you say you're looking for...

  2. Tools by Ricken · · Score: 5, Funny

    "What tools do you suggest for trying to grok a large Access mess?"

    Coffee. Lots of coffee, and ignorance. It's bliss, or so I've heard.

    1. Re:Tools by kfg · · Score: 2, Funny

      Coffee. Lots of coffee. . .

      With two lumps of LSD.

      KFG

    2. Re:Tools by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, no, no. You need a case of beer and a large bottle of hard liquor (bourbon, rum, etc.). Coffee makes you realize how little sense Access makes.

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    3. Re:Tools by bcat24 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Coffee. Lots of coffee. . .

      With two lumps of LSD.
      I prefer LSD with two spoons of coffee.
    4. Re:Tools by Neoncow · · Score: 3, Funny
      Yes, coffee!

      And pencil and paper and very big pink eraser!
      WTF? This tastes gross! Now I know why you all hate Access so much.
    5. Re:Tools by Maserati · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And there never has been.

      Set the wayback machine to Access 1.0 and you'll find me working at a Software Etc. back in college. We got, and sold, 12 copies of Access 1.0. All twelve came back from customers complaining that the program was uselessly buggy.

      Wind forward a bit to Access 97. I'm a sysadmin for... well, a company using a lot of Filemaker 3 databases (my first task there was finishing the FMP 2->3 migration). We were looking to migrate off of Filemaker (it wasn't a Microsoft product; just don't ask me about that manager - I have no idea how he got out of there without being charged with embezzling for kickbacks from the consultant he was partnered with immediately prior to joining our company). One candidate to replace Filemaker for production databases with 50 users, 250,000+ records and 2 or 3 people running reports was Access 97 (the other two were CRM products, one from a company that later ran Superbowl ads and the other from a company later acquired by Nortel; and no, management didn't select the company that survived). Our lead FMP developer managed to stretch the Access97 evaluation out to a full hour before he deleted every table in his test implementation without recovery, undo, or prompt. End of evaluation.

      So I've seen two versions of Access in business situations. Microsoft usually gets things right in the third version. For Access, you have to start counting with Access 2000 - if that version was useful.

      How you handle it is to document the functionality and re-implement the application in something else.

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    6. Re:Tools by r00t · · Score: 2

      You also need a silver cross and some Holy Water.

    7. Re:Tools by cruachan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Early access was indeed pretty crud. However Access 97 was a solid release that I still have clients running on even now. My milage varies because I never use Access as anything else put a front end to SQL Server or MSDE, and in these circumstances it's an excellent, reliable and solid system. Access should never be used as a database for all but the smallest of systems and personally I'd never trust it for anything else but single user, however to decry it because it doesn't work reliably in such circumstances is unfair - MSDE is free and works well for up to 5 simultaneous users, which should tell you something.

      Your comment about starting counting from Access 2000 is actually quite perverse as this release was generally agreed to be considerably more buggy than 97 and best avoided - consequently many users didn't upgrade until Office XP. Access 2002, and particularly 2003 are good releases, although again myself I always use them as a front end to SQL Server.

      But underline the point, using Access as a database and front end system, and using it as a front end system to MSDE or SQL Server are two completely different things and should be treated as such (indeed that there is the option of the adp file format in Access 2000+ specifically designed to work with SQL Server is a strong clue :-). Don't dismiss Access as a useful business system if you've only seen the former.

    8. Re:Tools by afidel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't have mod points today so I'll just respond. What you have said is VERY correct. Access isn't a horrible design tool or presentation layer, it IS a horrible database. Developers who base commercial products off it should be shot and those who base internal projects off it should be educated. Anyone who's doing real development work probably already has a license to redistribute MSDE, and internal developers don't need one. I have a friend who's a programmer/DBA and probably 90% of his workload is taking messes made with Access and converting them to Access frontends to SQL/MSDE.

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  3. IMHO by ManoSinistra · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have also done extensive work with LAMP and Microsoft (Access in particular). I actually started out with ASP and Windows before I learned all the LAMP stuff. IMHO, Access databases are by no means secure and what's more, they're very clumsy animals. It might be in your clients best interests to convert to LAMP/Linux, etc.

    1. Re:IMHO by imemyself · · Score: 2, Informative

      And if not LAMP, then atleast something based on MSSQL. Access is not meant to handle things with that many tables and presumably quite a bit of (important) data. Not to mention security and reliability.

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  4. It is being misused by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you have that many access databases, you are probably misusing it. Import all that data into SQL Server, and start from there. There is no magic way to make sense of a database schema.. the best you'll do is grabbing a GUI that visualizes it.

  5. Some suggestions from an Access geek by MikeB0Lton · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm going to assume you've got Access 2003, because I can't remember what they changed from 2000 anymore :-)

    The Microsoft Access Conversion Toolkit will give you some of the information you want, and can be used to query MDBs network-wide. If you just need to figure out the mess of a single chosen database, start using the built-in features of Access. Check the relationships and see if anything has been diagrammed out for you. If it has, then you have the ERD ready. If not, have fun figuring it out... Use the stuff in 'Tools->Analyze' to get more property and design information. Try right-clicking on a table/query/form/report and selecting 'Object Dependencies'. This will allow you to see what requires it to work, as well as what the object depends on. Lastly, I just start working through the code/macros (yuck). The object dependencies stuff won't check macros or VBA, so you have to check manually. Sometimes you'll find DAO/ADO code opening connections programmatically.

    Best of luck to you! This will suck badly, in case you didn't figure that out already. Access provides an upsizing wizard that can help you upload your data to an MS-SQL server, but that will require you debug (ADP as frontend) / rewrite (VB.NET) the forms and stuff.

    Despite what people say, Access does allow for security rights. However, it is not linked in any way to the machine or Active Directory. You use a modified shortcut to load the database with a security file. It works alright for most things, but there is no record-level security, and it sucks when you have 20 people signed in and you have to update the file. Also, supposedly there are cracks that break that security.

    This all leads me to my next point for all who read: DO NOT USE ACCESS AS AN ENTERPRISE-LEVEL / MISSION CRITICAL DATABASE SUITE. Pay for a decent tool/programmer/dba/whatever if you really like your data. This application is just for personal / small-group data storage. There is a reason it comes with Office, and not SQL Server. Thank you.

    1. Re:Some suggestions from an Access geek by TheSpoom · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hell, don't use Access if it's going to be used by more than five users simultaneously. It's designed for occasional, personal, direct usage. Using it as a backend to a single-user application would be OK, as long as that application isn't used over the network, though there are probably some bettter solutions out there.

      NEVER, EVER, EVER use an Access database as a backend to a server. It's just asking for trouble.

      Unfortunately I get the feeling that a lot of these Access overusage problems stem from managers with just enough knowledge to be dangerous saying to themselves "hey, I've got a great working database right here," and storing their mission-critical data in it without knowing the consequences of that action down the road. I kinda wish that Microsoft would put a fairly prominent warning on Access that that's simply not what it's designed for... maybe when it's been used by more than a few users simultaneously it could pop up a warning to the next one.

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  6. Documenter is an ugly report by THC1972 · · Score: 3, Informative

    but it does the job.

    On the menu, pull up Tools, Analyzer, Documenter, and pick your criteria. Access is clumsy and not secure, but it's also what most organizations have. That doesn't keep the rest of us from attempting to subvert from within...

    To consolidate the duplicate tables, build a query that replicates grep and/or another that replicates diff, and have fun from there. Somehow I'm sure that you know how to do this.

    Even though I prefer to work with other platforms and venues, my Access skills have managed to keep me employed and the cats fed while I decide what to do next with my life.

  7. TOAD, definitely. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I second TOAD, having used it on a daily basis with an absolutely massive (hundreds of tables, many millions of lines) Oracle-based system, and it's been the best way I've found of making sense of things. The "Schema Browser" function I find particularly helpful when I know vaguely what column I'm looking for, but not what table it's in. It's replaced a lot of the old "cheat sheets" I used to have pinned to every flat vertical surface in my cube.

    I've heard it's a fairly expensive piece of software, but thankfully I don't pay for it. It might be tough to get your PHB to spring for it, if that's actually the case...but I've yet to use or even hear of a better way to work with really complex DB systems.

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  8. Learn Visual Basic by cyranoVR · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are a ton of commercial utilities and add-ons for MS Access (check out Access Advisor at your local bookstore), but most of those are just VB apps or ActiveX controls that just do what you could do yourself with a little Visual Basic. Once you have got the basics down from some online tutorials, Access Cookbook by Kurt Getz is a great investment.

    MS Access has a large community online, especially comp.databases.ms-access. Google is your friend - just about everything you'll ever want to do has already been done and has VB code examples online.

    Here is a thread that has code demonstrating how to dump the contents of an Access database as DDL into text files:

    comp.databases.ms-access: Exporting jet table metadata as text?

    PS - If you are impatient with the limitations of VBA (aka "VB Classic"), there are Microsoft Office interop libraries that will let you automate Access Databases in .NET.

  9. Visio by hbo · · Score: 4, Interesting
    If someone else is paying for your tools. Visio will analyze any database that has an ODBC driver. (That includes MySQL and PostgreSQL.) Of course, then you end up struggling with two bloated Microsoft tools. But Visio at least can be used to draw pretty pictures. 8)

    Access is frequently abused in the way you describe. Companies that have Office licenses often restrict distribution of the Access component, even if they are otherwise entitled to it, because of such abuse. Access is a very handy tool for a quick-and-dirty database design, so people use it for that - a lot. Pretty soon, you have little information islands all over the place, designed by amatuer DBAs, and containing gobs of misplaced but critical business data. I believe it is all another Nefarious Microsoft Plot (NGP) because when you switch to the solution for cleaning it all up - SQL server - your need for the software is so severe that you won't kick about the price, and expectations for performance are so low that SQL server easily passes muster. Of course, that's just the snide opinion of Yet Another Microsoft Detractor. 8)

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  10. I know this is easier said than done, but by Travoltus · · Score: 2

    Take the time NOW and convert everything to ANSI compliant SQL and then rely on front ends to do ALL non ANSI stuff.

    Do it NOW.

    When your employer wakes up and decides not to remain with that closed proprietary bug ridden M$ stuff, they'll thank you profusely. Or they'll fire you and you'll come to my employer for a job and get hired right in. :)

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  11. ADO OpenSchema? by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've used ADO's OpenSchema method in the past to get raw lists of table schemas and relationships, including field descriptions.

  12. What tools? by Discopete · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fdisk, Format and reinstall. Next time try the SQL desktop engine or Oracle.

  13. Access != Good && Access Enterprice Apps by jrmiller84 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The company I work for runs all of it's POS systems off of MS Access and it's given us nothing but problems. I would suggest switching to anything but Access. If you knew the number of corrupt databases and table property dropping we deal with over a months period (and that's only 72 stores worth, or 72 instances of Access) you'd think twice or think about switching immediately. We are constantly compacting and repairing the databases and it just generates a lot of extra work and takes up time that would better be spent fixing the POS code itself. Steer clear of Access if you want to keep large amounts of data (as it seems you do with that many mdb files and tables). People have argued with me over this, but Access just isn't meant for large scale enterprise applications. If you were a small business I could see it being appropriate but nothing above that.

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  14. In one of my courses... by Secret+Rabbit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ... I was forced to learn access.

    The course was taught by "the new guy" who was a *NIX person (of course he got to teach the M$ classes and not the *NIX classes which would have made sense).

    Anyway, one class he was showing us how to use objects, etc with what he had made prior to class... it didn't work. He made some comment like, "This worked 10 mins ago in my office." and tried to figure out what was wrong. A few french curses later and we got, "THAT IT! Class is over." And he walked out.

    After working against access during the course I found that his reaction was appropriate. In fact, a class-mate that I worked with and I found out that access decides almost randomly when an object exists or not. In the end, we figured out that it had some relationship to the running context (which it shouldn't have), but I digress.

    Since then I have purged all access knowledge from my mind. I think I'm the better for it. Or at least my sanity.

    So, my advice would be to figure out how the system works, and convert it to a different DB. Maybe PostgreSQL? It's not like management will be able to figure it out.

  15. Re:Tora, not Toad. by CCW · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Tora. It's a great database admin tool. There's a couple things Toad will do that Tora won't, but I've found it to be a nice substitute.

    Free
    Cross Platform
    Open Source
    supports Multiple Databases

    Really quite a nice application.

  16. Access isn't all bad - ignore the /. bias by cruachan · · Score: 5, Informative

    Access has it's place. Ignore the OS zealots here, in the real world Access is a viable solution in many business contexts and there is no direct OS equivalent that comes anywhere close, besides if you try to convert it all to LAMP you'll most probably go out of business in the time it will take you :-).

    OK, firstly you need to convert the data from Access to SQL Server. This is essential: Access is really an excellent front-end system, but it's data handling sucks big time in a mult-user situation. The upsizing wizards included with it do a pretty good job, although you'll undoutably want to tweak manually. Upsizing then reviewing the database and adding relational integrity and other database rules is an essential first step. If you can't afford SQL Server, which is probably on of MS's best products, the MSDE will do if you don't have too many users. It's also a little known fact that Access will run as a front end to Postgres - although I've never tried this myself if you Google for it there's quite a few resources out there.

    Having upsized the database you then have two choices. Review and modify the upsized MDB front-end, or create a new ADP project and convert. ADP's have some advantages, but you have to convert manually and rewrite the data access code. This does take time (although a suprising amount can be cut and pasted from between MDB and ADP). The choice here is heavily influence by how the old database has been written - I've seen some Access applications which are practically VBA applications and need to be rewritten susbtantially to use SQL Server even if left as MDBs, whereas others hardly need any changes at all. If you are picking up the application to support yourself and can afford the time the ADP approach is probably prefable as you'll get to know the code and iron out any junk.

    You should indeed consider what use you can make of LAMP (or more accuratly WISP). Access's strengths lie in it's ability to support detailed responsive Forms for data entry and most particularly it's Reports where complex output can be generated remarkably quickly - generally it's RAD abilities blow LAMP and similar away for anything but a simpler application (and Ruby on Rails, that includes you :-). Both of these are time-consuming to replace by a browser interface: the Forms will need extensive use of AJAX to reproduce the immediate responsive feel of an Access application, and Reports can take a lot of coding and even then reproducing pagenation and so forth can be problematic.

    However in a business context it's quite usual for there to be a core group of users who are responsible for data entry and 'expert' use of the system, and a wider group of users who need just read-only access or some very simple data entry, generally for a limited number of screens. If this is the case it's a viable strategy to replace Access by a browser interface for these users. PHP runs happily on a windows server so all your LAMP skills can be applied quite readily. THE major advantage of replacing Access for the casual users is that you then no longer need to deploy Access, which will save you both licence money and support time.

    If at a later date you have the time and motivation to convert more of the core user functionality from Access to browser then you can do that. A viable strategy is to convert the Forms but leave the complex reports in a Access as a 'reporting suite'. In many business setups it's quite common to find an 'expert user' who is capable of creating bespoke reports in Access. Handled correctly these people can be a valuable asset - generally I create an 'Adhoc' or 'Scratch' Access application for them (mdb is strongly preferred in this case so that objects are not created on the server) which they can use to generate bespoke reports. The core functionality is placed in a separate Access application which they do not modify.

    Take-home message is to recognise that all these technologies have strengths and weaknesses and play

    1. Re:Access isn't all bad - ignore the /. bias by sd4l · · Score: 2, Interesting
      THE major advantage of replacing Access for the casual users is that you then no longer need to deploy Access, which will save you both licence money and support time.

      Although I disagree with most of your post (having developed applications in Access at the start of my career 10 years ago and, reluctantly, quite recently) the above is the point I'd like to take to task.

      If you are deploying to a large number of people you'll likely deploy the royalty-free Access Runtime which allows you to run an access database but not edit it. It used to be part of the Access Developer's Toolkit (think Access 2.0 and 95 sort of time), then became part of the Microsoft Office Developer product (think Access XP) and now is part of Access 2003 Developer Extensions which comes with MSDN Universal. For a professional developer doing a large deployment, it's invaluable.

      I'd also just like to say, don't underestimate the speed of an experience LAMP developer. I can developer web apps far faster in PHP than in Access (and they don't auto-submit amended data back to the database if you click on Previous Record by default).

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    2. Re:Access isn't all bad - ignore the /. bias by cruachan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem with deploying Access for widespread use on a casual basis, even with the runtime, is that the various dependencies cause issues. Different versions of libraries etc can rapidly end you up in a support quagmire. True if you've limited yourself to vanilla Access and not made use of anything non-standard it may not be too bad, expecially in a standardised environment, but in my experience it's rare for a business application not to make use of other Office products and environments in all but the smallest companies are to some degree heterogenious. These problems may or may not surface to a greater or lesser extent, but it's always going to be more of an issue to support than a browser application. Hence IMHO there is a certain degree of functionality that is required by a user to make it cost effective to deploy Access.

      On the other hand if your user does need complexity then the deployment overhead is often worth it. I'm sure you're a wizz with PHP, and indeed I can throw together a nice PHP bases web application myself with some speed - slapping up a simple Access data entry form and a simple PHP data entry form is indeed probably of similar order of development time. The problem is that in virtually all the reallife business applications I've come across a simple data entry form won't cut it.

      We're talking here of such things as dynamic drop down lists (i.e. context sensitive to other data entered on forms), calculations on the fly (i.e. enter net price, then lookup database to determine a gross price depending upon item classification and commission), showing/hiding areas of a form based on data entered, dynamically checking data entered against a database, non-standard controls, integrating graphics and charts, creating or merging Word/Excel documents etc etc. All of which needs to happen responsively - i.e. you'll need extensive Javascript and Ajax coding as the form display/submit cycle is not acceptable.

      I'm not saying that you can't do (most) of these with LAMP or find a work-around, just it's a lot more hassle than using Access as a front end, a tool that was designed specifically for business data processing. Cases need to be examined on merit with regard to circumstances and budget to decide what approach is appropriate. What does bug me though is the multiple ill-informed knee-jerk comments on most of this thread along the lines that Access is Microsoft, it's VBA, it's not Open Source and therefore you should throw up your hands in horror, refuse to touch it, and run for the hills. Oddly enough I'm just about to start a project for a major global charity recoding an Access/SQL Server application to WISP precisely because they need to be able to deply an application more widely than they currently have and don't want the Access overhead, so you'll see my comments are based on pragmatism, not ideology :-)

      Finally I'm fascinated by the line that you disagree with most of my previous post. What's to disagree with? SQL Server isn't one of the best databases going (you can't honestly propose to run a back-office business system on MySQL?) MDB vs ADP issues? That Access isn't a good front-end application to a back-end database? Identifying groups of users and deplying appropriate tools for each? None of this is contentious, it's common sense.

  17. Visual Studio by exKingZog · · Score: 2, Informative

    If your bosses will shell out for it, then Visual Studio 2005's Integration Services can take data from any number of MDBs, Excel files, text files, databases, etc and transform them into whatever you want. We recently used it to move a creaking Access DB (1 table, 165 columns!!!) into a (temporary, and slightly more normalised) SQL Server schema - we had cursors running to generate keys, data cleansing procedures plugged in, and best of all it ran at the click of a button, so we could test it very easily with copies of the data before the final rollout.

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  18. how... by syrinx · · Score: 2, Funny

    Evolution of unanswerable questions:

    Middle ages: How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?

    1960's: How many roads must a man walk down?

    2006: How do I make sense of Microsoft Access?

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  19. Wisdom from the Data Warehousing department by MythoBeast · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'll agree with most of what Cruchan has to say, but want to add in a perspective that I've found important. Almost any business case that is capable of making good use of Access's capabilities is also capable of outgrowing Access's utility. Let me be more specific.

    Access's primary strength is that it allows a novice but intelligent user to store data in a database and create views with which they can examine, alter, and add to that data. This makes it very attractive for many small business owners to create methods of keeping track of customers, sales, products, whatever. If your business stays small, then you've saved yourself a bit of money and solved a paperwork headache.

    If your business (venture, hobby, whatever) grows, then you will invariably run into Access's limitations. It's very easy to use, but a database program of any complexity will eventually run into programming errors that result in data corruption. They aren't everywhere, but when you run into one you're pretty well hosed. Microsoft may have fixed all of these kinds of bugs between their 2000 and 2003 release - I've somewhat gotten out of that kind of business - but I somehow doubt that Microsoft has changed its philosophy that much.

    When you do run into that kind of problem, you have two choices. Keep a second paper trail of all of your changes so that you can fix the database when it hits that bug, or pay someone to migrate you to something more reliable. You would think that there would be an option to pay someone to fix your Access implementation, but by the time someone is willing to shell out money for this kind of thing you can pretty well guarantee that the flaws are in Microsoft's software, not in anything the user has done with it.

    So on to the user's question - what do you do when you hit that tree and fly through your windshield? You have to remember that Accesss is a front end database management tool, not an actual database. What you need to replace isn't the actual storage of the information, but the routines that alter and display it. LAMP is an entirely viable idiom for this kind of change, even in a Windows environment. I run a LAMP environment on my laptop so I can develop and show off my web site designs while not online, and it's very reliable. Additionally, it allows remote access of information from many locations, although it takes a bit of skill to write something that can be altered from many locations at the same time.

    I don't suggest WISP simply because any further growing will either lock you into Microsoft tools (many of which are highly suspect) or result in tedious and expensive searching for obscure features that allow you to attach other people's tools to the Microsoft Architecture.

    Moving away from Access involves two things - migrating the data out of that .mdb file and re-creating the data interface in HTML forms. The first is easy via an SQL dump, which Access supports. The second is more difficult because what you're essentially doing is Industrial Engineering.

    When you're talking about a 200 table database, you can quite readily start with the Database Documenter. It'll spit out a bunch of stuff that'll tell you what the formats of the tables are, but won't tell you how they're hooked together or what they're used for (unless the person who made the database was very, very professional). Then you need to have someone show you how the database is used. From that you can figure out what the inputs of the data process are, where the information is put, what is done with it, and what form and place it has to exist for it to be viewed and outputted.

    From that you can generate charts that show how the various tables are connected, identify what the rules are (all cars shalt have a color), and get an idea for process flow.

    No, this isn't easy. For really big databases it can take months. I was on a project where we were attempting to reconcile seven regional AAA databases into a central database and the entire project collapsed for the inability to get someone to tell us how the data was used. There just isn't enough information in a database dump to determine this.

    Best of luck.

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  20. Re:Access != Good && Access Enterprice App by dtfinch · · Score: 2, Informative

    Until you get that POS replaced or moved to a real database, you can automate repair with a tool called jetcomp. It can repair many databases that Access's Compact and Repair and DAO's CompactDatabase method can't, and can be automated from the command line.

    I went so far as to write a script to detect when the database has been corrupted by attempting to open it and checking the error message if it can't, and automatically backup and repair it using jetcomp. Our corruption problem finally went away when I found a system that had a slightly bad network connection and fixed it. Network problems become more apparent if you specify a larger packet size when pinging, like 400 bytes or so. We went from almost daily corruption to no corruption in over a month.

  21. Making good sense of Access is hard by wrfelts · · Score: 3, Informative
    There are some tools available. I always wrote my own. Get one of the tools listed by other commenters, though. It will be much quicker.

    If the former programmers were "macro happy" it is very difficult to decode, but with time, a lot of paper to map it out, and even more patients, you can get it done.
    1. The main thing is to get into the head of the previous programmers and find out why every table, macro, or other object was there. Don't make assumptions, it could bite you bad.
    2. Also, make backups before and after major changes and keep dated historical copies. A large Access database can become very unweildy and overwrite code, tables, etc. as it grows. I have had the code to one form cross link to another with weird errors, as an example of some of Access craziness. (BTW, this has been the case through v.2003)
    3. If management is open to the idea, a gradual shift to SQL Express (or the older MSDE) is worth the pain. You can use the existing Access front end with a somewhat gradual migration. If this is an option, keep reading:
    4. Remember that Access will try to pull the entire dataset into memory from SQL Server if you build an Access query on SQL tables. So, work on creating SQL Server View, Stored Procedures, or User Defined Functions instead.
    5. Learn efficient SQL Server SP methodologies. It will help speed things up and use less memory.
    6. Once you have ALL the tables (that are needed) and as much of the logic as possible shifted to SQL Server. Start looking at a better user interface than Access. C# (or even VB.Net) is really good for building a solid business oriented front-end and works well with SQL server once you've got the hang of the interface. I recommend it highly. I also recommend using a .Net 2.0 flavor, as the 1.1 stuff is way too slow.

    Good luck with your project. If you need any help, reply to this message and we can talk.

    Randy