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New 'No Military Use' GPL For GPU

Tina Gasperson writes "GPU is a Gnutella client that creates ad-hoc supercomputers by allowing individual PCs on the network to share CPU resources with each other. That's intriguing enough, but the really interesting thing about GPU is the license its developers have given it. They call it a 'no military use' modified version of the GNU General Public License (GPL). The developers told Newsforge why they did it, with commentary from OSI and FSF." Newsforge is also owned by OSTG, Slashdot's parent company.

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  1. Re:Richard Stallman sort-of agrees by SWroclawski · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, he doesn't. He actually mentiones military use as something he says that the GPL must support, since we want the best software working for our military, we'd hope they'd use GNU. He says this specificallly in a GPL3 talk.

    What he says there is that the license may be legally valid.

    The person whose saying he agrees with their goals is the OSI person, Russ Nelson, not RMS.

    Free Software must be Free Software for any use. It's a similar argument against commercial use, it's morally unacceptable to prevent anyone from using the software, commercially or militarily, or used in a classroom or by an individual.

  2. Re:Kent, this is Jesus by Lord+Kano · · Score: 3, Informative

    What do you think a phase conjugate tracking mirror is used for, Kent?

    The quote is "What do you think a secret phase conjugate tracking system is FOR? A big mirror makes a big beam."

    LK

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  3. Re:Rather naive, to believe that North Korea... by legirons · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Rather naive, to believe that North Korea and Iran would abide by this "No Military Use" restriction."

    Or that the UK or USA militaries would let license agreements prevent them doing whatever they wanted:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eminent_domain

    e.g. remember the guy whose patented invention was used by the US Navy without being compensated for it? http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,68894, 00.html?tw=wn_story_page_prev2

  4. the elephant in the room by sammy+baby · · Score: 4, Informative
    "As a pacifist, I sympathize with their goals," says Russ Nelson, president of the Open Source Initiative (OSI). "People who feel strongly about war will sometimes take actions which they realize are ineffectual, but make it clear that they are not willing to take action which directly supports war."


    That he sympathizes with their goals is probably why he fails to mention something blindingly obvious: that the new "modified" license doesn't qualify as open source, according to the OSI's own definition:

    6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor

    The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.


    Rationale: The major intention of this clause is to prohibit license traps that prevent open source from being used commercially. We want commercial users to join our community, not feel excluded from it.
  5. Re:Psssh. by theStorminMormon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ahh, the good old excluded middle.

    Don't make me laugh. The law of the excluded middle has nothing to do with this. Go back to your logic class.

    The proposition of pacifism is to NEVER use force. My response is "would you have used NO force in WW2?". I didn't ask "would you have firebombed Dresden". You can have a significant and interesting debate about Dresden, Nagasaki, and Hiroshima (to name a few), but none of this has to do with the question at hand - which is not "how much" violence, but "violence at all?"

    -stormin

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  6. Tempest in a teapot by deadline · · Score: 3, Informative

    The military people will probably laugh at this (should they even encounter it). First, there are very few High Performance Computing applications that can use this type of computer (For those that need some background please see Linux Cluster Urban Legends pay attention to the latency part -- there is a shower scene)

    Second, if the military had some use for this type of computing, they would either build their own software, hire someone to write it for them, or just buy a cluster. The administration and security headaches of a "open network p2p computer" certainly outweigh any advantages they would gain from this software.

    But, your software - your license.

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  7. Re:Psssh. by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Informative

    >It wasn't the holocaust that finally justified us going to war, it was the intercepted memo sent to Mexico offering them Texas...

    Dude, that was World War One - google Zimmerman Telegram...

  8. Re:Psssh. by Burz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Poorer societies eat less meat because vegetables are a far more efficient use of resources. And like it or not, sustainability in agriculture points strongly to reducing meat consumption. So I am afraid you have this notion of dietary "luxury" completely backwards.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_vegetar ianism

    (And please note the article is well-referenced.)

  9. Not OSS or Free SW. Hope it doesn't use TCP/IP! by dwheeler · · Score: 3, Informative
    Parent is correct - this license is not an open source software license, because it descriminates against use. It's also not a Free Software license, because Freedom 0 in the Free Software Definition is "The freedom to run the program, for any purpose".

    Also, I hope that they don't use TCP/IP or the Internet, because the basic idea of packet-switching, the TCP/IP protocol, and the basic Internet architecture were all funded by the military (through DARPA/ARPA). Using TCP/IP to distribute or implement this thing would be hypocritical, so I'm glad they aren't doing that :-).

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    - David A. Wheeler (see my Secure Programming HOWTO)
  10. Re:Psssh. by ktakki · · Score: 3, Informative
    You think Japan invaded China (1930s) because they didn't like the Chinese? They didn't care about the Chinese - they wanted oil.

    No, not oil, but other important resource: raw materials, food, and labor. The known deposits of oil in Asia were mostly in the Dutch colonies in Indonesia. Japan was largely self-sufficient until the industrialization of the late 19th Century. Industrialization led to two things: a population boom and a movement from rural to urban areas. After 1900, Japan was hard pressed to feed itself (manifested in widespread malnutrition during the Allied blockade late in WWII) and did not have adequate supplies of coal and ore.

    Japanese imperialism was apparent long before the 1930s: Japan forced China to cede Taiwan in 1895.

    Japanese contempt for the Chinese made it all to easy to commit atrocities like the Rape of Nanking and the war crimes of Unit 714.

    k.
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