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EA's 'Invasion of Privacy' Policy

Justus writes "Gamers with Jobs has posted an article covering EA's privacy policy for Xbox Live users. In a nutshell, by using an EA game over Xbox Live, you are automatically creating an 'EA Online' account and granting Electronic Arts the ability to collect your name, address, and credit card information, as well as a variety of demographic information about how you use their products. Not only that, they explicitly say that they may tie these demographics to your personal information — no anonymous aggregation here! When Gamers with Jobs asked EA and Microsoft about these issues, they were met with stony silence, a fact they attribute to the pending release of the new Madden game next week. Without an official comment from the companies involved, it certainly looks like EA has the most invasive privacy policy they could come up with."

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  1. Too Few People Affected To Matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    The number of people actually paying Microsoft for the privilege of playing online with the Xbox 360 is so small that when Microsoft put out a press release a few months ago they intentionally did not mention actual paying subscribers. Instead they only talked about people who had simply connected their 360 to the Net.

    The first Xbox only had some 5-7 percent of owners willing to pay Microsoft to play online. The number of paying subscribers must be even smaller this time if they don't want to even mention the number.

    In a nutshell, yeah it probably sucks, but who really cares?

  2. Surprised? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Is there a single slashdotter who is in any way surprised by this? Is there anyone so naive as to believe that private companies are the best guardians of your privacy? Even the most rapid laissez faire capitalist would hesitate before declaring your valuable data safe from explotation at the hands of the private sector.

    Your data is worth money. Marketers are willing to buy it. Hence, companies will be willing and eager to sell it. They don't care. They're private companies, beholden to no one except their shareholders.

    If you would like to give your explicit approval to this buy buying such a game, or tacit approval by buying any other EA game, then do so. That is your right. Just don't complain when your playing habits are vomited all over the net like so many AOL search results.

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  3. Re:Easy solution by thedletterman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Except educating the general public on privacy isn't an easy reason as to why they shouldn't play the latest version of Madden. There needs to be a pointed attack on EA by the media and lobbying firms for movements like this. Simply "boycot" solutions are non-solutions. Madden is probably one of the best selling games in the United States, and while I find it deplorable that an online service would take advantage of consumer confidence to literally spy on them in means for more invasive than any New York Times article about Bush. Certainly, it's a sad day for privacy as the leaders of the industry use their mass appeal to break the resistance of the people more interested in protecting the historical wall of online privacy than playing video games.

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  4. NO PRIVACY EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED by SharpFang · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wonder when they start broadcasting "live shows" from users' webcams.

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  5. One more point for Nintendo... by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina. I have a DS and I play online a lot. It is easy for me to find and open and unsecured hotspot in this city and when I play Mario Kart or Metroid, I dont have to input and username, password or credit card information. Online playing it's completely anonymous, fast and free, yet astounding fun.
    Why can't EA learn from Nintendo?

    More info on http://www.nintendowifi.com/customersupport/Suppor tHome.jsp

  6. Re:Most invasive? by Jimmy+King · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Not to mention the fact that EA is gathering information that you provide.
    Not quite. EA is gathering information that you provide TO MICROSOFT, not to EA. Sure, you could argue that one should have read the privacy policie and all other documentation, but you know what? Who's going to go to EA's website and read that before buying a game, if at all? No, it's not the company's duty to make sure you read all the documentation, but I do believe they make that stuff longer and more difficult to read, both in terms of wording and tiny fonts that some people may have trouble with, than it needs to be to try to dissuade people from reading it which is wrong imo. My first line might make you think I'm only blaming EA in this, but just to be clear, I believe both companies are in the wrong.
  7. Not surprising... by enharmonix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I found some very odd little registry setting installed on my computer, thought it was a worm or something, but when I looked in it, it had a list of all EA titles on my computer. The worst was that when I installed the CoD expansion pack, it tried to phone home w/o even telling me, it just went ahead and opened up a dial-up connection running as Network Service. To me, that sounds like they infiltrated my computer. Games should not (and most do not) require administrator rights to install, but EA games do. If a game requires admin rights, that's a red flag. If only CoD2 wasn't so freaking good...

    This, to me, is spyware, and customer data collection needs to be conspicuously disclosed (not buried in an EULA*), and it needs to be opt-in only, by law.

    * The most infuriating part is that I read the EULA for CoD/CoD2, and I didn't see anything about them collecting my data and sending it home. They didn't disclose it at all.

    1. Re:Not surprising... by enharmonix · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Meny apps and games need administrator rights install. I think you ment to say that most games do not need admin to run.

      That's just the thing, I run in limited mode and most games install just fine. XP can handle installs on just one user account, even if it's a limited account. The only reason they need those rights is to change the something specific to the OS. (I haven't checked, but DirectX probably shouldn't even require it now, since DX 9 went .NET)

      Installations aside, though, CoD/CoD2 can only be played by administrators, too, which is absurd. This was admittedly trivial to fix. Just bad rights assignment by the vendor, not sure if it's intentional or not.

      I do owe EA an apology though. CoD is published by Activision, not EA.

      The thing with that is they need admin so they can auto update them selfs, run the cd check crap, and for things like punkbuster for on line play.

      Even with a priveliged install, it seems to me you should be able to uses these without requiring a user to have admin rights, once the software is installed. Even if you have to perform certain tasks off limit to a limited account, there are still ways to use interprocess communication to allow a user to perform these actions by proxy.

      I don't think that vista will be able to fix all of that and will popup the UAP dialog box when you try to play the game or the game will just error out if you don't run it as admin.

      Agreed. Even supposing Vista shipped with zero vulnerabilities, it can still only do what it's told, and if the software demands access rights, it's up to somebody with authority to tell Vista yes or no. And of course, Activision knows most users will have absolutely no problem with saying it's fine, and then 4c71v1510|\| 0wN3z j00.

  8. Re:It's stories like this one... by enharmonix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hear, hear!

    You know, slashdot has so many readers, we ought to form a PAC for /. style issues, you know fixing IP law (can you name a movie in the public domain?), protecting privacy, withdrawing from WIPO, dismembering the DMCA, etc. Kinda like the EFF, but for convincing Congress to protect our personal information, our computers, our rights, etc. Everybody donates $20 bucks, and before you know it, we've got a couple million dollars to lobby with. You know, if freaking PETA can do it, I think the slashdot community can do it, and if we did, I bet Congress would pay attention.

  9. Re:It's stories like this one... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Well, my dictionaries don't agree with the wording of your definition, but that's somewhat beside the point. Even using your definitions, how can an inalienable right possibly be removed by a corporation?

    If you want to be philosophical about it, then the only rights you truly have are those which are prepared to die defending, because ultimately anything else can be taken from you. We therefore invent modifiers like "legal" (those rights the law says you should have) and "moral" (those rights that someone believes you should have according to their personal ethical standards) to give us more practical concepts of "rights". We can then proceed on the assumption that someone does have the rights they should have according to the relevant authority.

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