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Upgrading Wi-Fi — What, When, and Why

lessthan0 writes "Wi-Fi (802.11x) networks have been around long enough that many businesses and home users run their own. The first widely deployed standard was 802.11b, while most new hardware uses 802.11g. The latest 802.11n hardware is just around the corner. If you run an existing wireless network, is it time to upgrade?"

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  1. if it ain't broke, don't fix it by loonicks · · Score: 5, Informative

    If 802.11b/g works for me, why would I upgrade? Don't be a consumer whore just because some shiny new wireless protocol comes out... stick with what you have unless it sucks.

    1. Re:if it ain't broke, don't fix it by jerryasher · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wifi is broken, at least for apartment dwellers. Qwest gives out dsl routers with built-in wifi, which means that EVERY apartment now runs its own wifi on the few channels that there are. As a result, wifi is completely unreliable as channel interference occurs. Oh you can connect, but how long until you are knocked off?

  2. What kind of question is this? by JayDiggity · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you are on 802.11b and are happy with the speed it provides, then stay with what you have. If you're unhappy with it, upgrade to 802.11g.
    If you are are unhappy with 802.11g, well, tough luck: as someone else already mentioned, 802.11n isn't coming out until 2008. Start punching holes in the wall and running some Ethernet cable!

    Problem solved.

  3. Re:Depends by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Informative

    Mod up!

    The only reason I can think to upgrade is for better encryption and range.

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  4. Re:no it is not. by Sancho · · Score: 2, Informative

    1) Would be really nice, though I wonder if 802.11n will trounce all over the entire spectrum that 802.11b uses.

    2) This is not true. Aside from high-end units that are out of most consumer's price range, there is an Asus WAP that can broadcast multiple SSIDs and have separate security settings for each. In theory, this would mean you could have WPA-Radius encryption on one SSID and have a WEP encryption SSID for your Nintendo DS. I think the model is WL-500g Deluxe--it's hard to come by right now.

  5. Only after the 802.11n spec is ratified by cyclocommuter · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reading articles about 802.11n, there seems to be no compeling reason to upgrade to this draft specification for most folks right now... Poor interoperability with other "n" devices, poor backward compatibility with both "b" and "g" devices, more expensive hardware, and buggy firmware. The bottomline is, upgrading to 802.11n today means you are willing to be a beta tester for the hardware manufacturers.

  6. The conventional wisdom says: by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Informative

    1. If you buy 802.11n products, your AP needs to have easy firmware updates, because there is no standard, and you WILL want to update the firmware when the standard is ratified plus three months, meaning the summer of 2008.

    2. 802.11n is faster than 802.11a,b, and g. But you need to buy everything from the same vendor, because that'll ensure it works together as compatibility is iffy. You can't do as nifty antenna tricks with 802.11n as you can with b and g. The 802.11a rules in the US currently prohibit antenna tricks. So, flexibility with standards means 802.11g.

    3. If you use any 802.11 product, use WPA, or upgrade to it, and keep checking for firmware upgrades every few months, then do it.

    4. Currently, the fastest *standardized* method is 802.11g. There are various turbo modes that may or may not allow you faster downloads, but most APs are inhibited by upstream throttle-back anyway. And for this reason, you might like it for home use but don't use it on mobile machines as hotspots sometimes have trouble with cards that are in 'auto-turbo' mode.

    5. Unless you have backhaul that's faster than the WiFi transport, it's useless to buy anything faster because it will make no difference in speed. If you have a crappy DSL connection, the speed will still be crappy DSL speed. It's nice to have your WiFi router speed as the fastest common denominator because DSL and cable and other transports keep getting faster and faster. If you have asymetrical backhaul, that won't change no matter what you do (example: 3MB/s down, 750KB/s up).

    WPA secures at minimum. Using AES with TLS is thought to be the most solid method. Having a temporal key is important as key life had a bearing on breaking the key. Currently, no one will sit around and wait for long keys to be broken unless THEY REALLY WANT YOU. If they do, they'll do something smarter. All WEP can be broken in under 22minutes, period.

    For better paranoia, read WiFoo-- currently the most interesting hacker cookbook I've found.

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  7. Re:Or.. by portmapper · · Score: 4, Informative

    > Why upgrade at all? Unless you can really use the extra speed of 802.11g because you have an
    > insane internet speed it's just a waste.

    Many places there are quite simply too many nearby using 802.11b/g along with wireless
    phones on the same frequency. It is too crowded.

    "Upgrading" to 802.11a (different frequencies used than 802.11b/g) will help as there generally
    are far fewer 802.11a users. The range may not be the same, though.

  8. Re:Shouldn't it read... by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    It should read "move on, nothing to see here ..." since you can't upgrade to something that isn't available yet.

    Besides, why would you want to upgrade when nobody can use it? Wait until its been out a few years.

    After all, gigbit ethernet has been out for a couple of years now, and look at how many people get along just fine with 100mb.

  9. No by dcam · · Score: 3, Informative

    No it is not time to upgrade.

    At the moment the 802.11n standard is at draft 2 stage. The 802.11n gear available now is based on 802.11n draft 1.

    The manufacturers of this hardware are betting that any changes in the spec between draft 1 and the final version can be fixed by a firmware upgrade. It is by no means certain that this will be the case.

    In addition, it isn't clear whether hardware for the 802.11n draft from different manufacturers will work together.

    So the answer (as with most technology) is to wait and see. In this case, given that this is based on a draft, that has been superceded, waiting is certianly a good idea.

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  10. i would upgrade for the security by atarione · · Score: 4, Informative

    if I didn't have VPN over wifi thanx to m0n0wall and my RADIUS server...... as such I guess I will wait for N assume my trusty BEFW11S4 (b router) dosn't crap out.

    if anyone is thinking of going G the WRT54GL with the dd-wrt firmware is pretty sweet.

    whatever you do DO NOT buy a WRT54GS or later model WRT54G models..as they suck pretty much http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WRT54G

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  11. Re:Time to upgrade? by IBeatUpNerds · · Score: 2, Informative

    My company works in software for embedded wifi devices and we routinely need to buy specific hardware.
    I/we have never had a problem finding what we were looking for and the vast majority of it works
    great with Linux (WPA, WPA2 + RADIUS). We've achieved this by purchasing products we've used before
    and are familiar with. Aside from a couple obvious examples, most vendors remain relatively consistent
    if you're referring to the correct product + hw_rev + version. Not sure what your problem is....

    Now if your argument is that no reasonable source or technical documentation is available to the general
    public for the guts of these devices, I'd agree.

  12. WPA with AES is pretty good by Bishop · · Score: 2, Informative
    WPA with AES can keep out all but the NSA and even they will have trouble with it. The trick is to choose a strong PSK or use certificates.

    For those who don't know: WPA (1/2, tkip, AES) in pre-shared key mode is vulnerable to a brute force attack. The four packet authentication sequence can be captured and brute force attacked offline. There are WPA rainbow tables based on dictionary words "in the wild." A long multi word passphrase with some numbers should be sufficient. A 63 character string of upper and lower case letters, and numbers is best. Unfortunately many access point web interfaces do not handle special characters and punctuation well.

    You can generate a longer psk with:
    $dd if=/dev/random bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:]
    it is a pain in the ass to manage though. :-)
    1. Re:WPA with AES is pretty good by VENONA · · Score: 2, Informative

      Using /dev/random (or dev/urandom, for that matter) will give you an unknown and variable length:
      $ dd if=/dev/random bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | wc -c
      0+5 records in
      0+5 records out
      13
      dd if=/dev/random bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | wc -c
      0+5 records in
      0+5 records out
      46
      $

      You'll want to loop until you have enough entropy. /dev/urandom is likely going to give you a lot more chars per count parameter on most systems:
      $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | wc -c
      5+0 records in
      5+0 records out
      1245
      $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | wc -c
      5+0 records in
      5+0 records out
      1278
      $

      Then just tail -c 63 for your 63 chars:
      $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | tail -c 63; echo
      5+0 records in
      5+0 records out
      avh2tglob7FQbgOZmMc8OdRjtw616R6CeOtrFro97pDXOa1W6S qTlsFAv8osERE
      $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1024 count=5 | tr -dc [:alnum:] | tail -c 63; echo
      5+0 records in
      5+0 records out
      COvjA1ubg11q0N5gPZVlO7VrQhLXg3ZXzKAnbuJ8Z5XzkHjEw6 i2Vv4OYGoGYe3
      $

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  13. Re:I installed b in '00 or '01 and just upgraded t by swillden · · Score: 3, Informative

    As for security - I certainly don't trust ANY wireless (or wired, for that matter) system for security. I depend on application level security whenever I can get it (SSL, SSH) and VPNs when that's not an option.

    Properly configured WPA and WPA2 are just as secure as your application-level security or VPN (and more secure than some crappy VPNs). Although the weakness of WEP was a major problem, its failure ensured that its successors would get very heavy scrutiny, and the WPA variants have stood up very well. If you really want to be careful, use both wireless network security and end-to-end security. If you don't need to be that paranoid, WPA is just as good as and more convenient than using a home VPN.

    OTOH, if you're like me, I like to leave my WLAN open so that passersby can use it if they need it. I appreciate all of the open WLANs I make use of, so I like to return the favor. In that case, a VPN is critical.

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  14. No way. by Inoshiro · · Score: 4, Informative

    "I saw a 5-port gigabit switch at a retailer yesterday for under $12/port. Cards are equally cheap. The problem is that for most users, they won't notice the difference,"

    I think the problem is that it's unlikely that switch supports JUMBO frames. 1500 bytes don't cut it at gigE speeds. Even on a Barton XP 2500+, you get 100% CPU saturation around 250MBps with 1500 byte ethernet packets. My very high quality Intel gigE NICs support jumbo frames of 9000 mtu (and up), but this cheap Airlink switch (the only one I could find in town) is broken past 1500 MTU, meaning it's garbage (don't buy Airlink gear).

    I'm sure the Airlink would be fine if you had garbage gigE nics, though, which is probably their target market.

    " or they'd have to change the cabling fro cat5 to cat6, or they have one or more boxes that are still runing 100mb, so there is zero point in upgrading."

    All of these are bunk. Most cat5 that's properly wired has 4 conductors in it (which is what you need for gigE) and are shielded well enough. You mentioned a switch; you should know that a switch allows for mixed speed devices with no general speed drop (unlike the old hubs that used to exist).

    If you have a fileserver in your house serving up to 3-4 client machines like I do, gigE is well worth it, since the network is no longer the bottleneck.

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  15. Airlink (OT) by PayPaI · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've purchased several Airlink gigE switches. All of them use Broadcom chipsets, and the chipset technically supports jumbo frames. Typically I payed $5/port for the 8port and $6/port for the 5port.
    I'm running a mix of Airlink (rt8169), nFORCE4 onboard, Marvell, etc. on the NIC side. All cheap cards (the rt8169 is now $6 at frys).
    I can typically push 350Mbps (all machines are running with an MTU of 1500). CPU utilization on my Athlon64 is maybe 20%. Same on my friend's computer (sempron barton 2800).
    I have a SMC switch that specifically supports jumbo frames, but I have not been able to test it because whenever I use jumbo frames I cannot contact machines that are running 100megabit.
    I agree with you on the cabling, I have run with 10 year old cat5 that's stapled in my crawlspace, and brand new cat6. Both will run gigabit no problem.
    cat5 UTP is not shielded (the U stands for unshielded). STP is available, but generally quite expensive and usually not worth it.