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Wozniak to Judge American Idol-Inspired Mac App Contest

cmundhe writes "Mac entrepreneur Phill Ryu today launched My Dream App, a new American Idol-inspired online competition where contestants can win the chance to have their killer app idea realized by experienced Mac developers. Over forty industry luminaries, including Apple founder Steve Wozniak, have signed on to My Dream App as guest judges to help contestants hone their ideas."

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  1. Re:An Ipod for IP by omeg · · Score: 3, Informative

    You get more than just an iPod. Winners get a Macbook as well as royalties over the shareware that will be developed for them. That sounds like a pretty good return for just providing a good idea.

  2. Outsourcing gone mad or a good idea? by epo001 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm alternating between thinking that this idea is ridiculously stupid, or alternatively, truly inspired.

    I propose an optimisation, let the winner be the one with the best elevator pitch - "It's like excel meets my-space, you arrange your friends into rows and columns ..."

    just like high-concept movie ideas where a one-sentence summary gets turned into a 90-minute film.

    1. Re:Outsourcing gone mad or a good idea? by dshaw858 · · Score: 4, Funny

      just like high-concept movie ideas where a one-sentence summary gets turned into a 90-minute film.

      Snakes on a Plane was longer than 90 minutes!

    2. Re:Outsourcing gone mad or a good idea? by Bull+SR · · Score: 2, Informative
  3. I have to ask ... by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 3, Funny

    But what would be an application that would equate to William Hung ?

    1. Re:I have to ask ... by walnutmon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Slashdot's new "Discussion System"

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  4. Re:So much for Appley originality by thelost · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not sure where the "american idol" comparison came from (well i am actually, some inflammatory print written by the guy who submitted this story) but mydreamapp.com doesn't state any such thing. Check the front page. And also claiming something about Apple originality is pointless, this has nothing to do with Apple the company. This is a competition for software that will be developed by independent software developers and judged by some pretty in the know panelists. This isn't high drama, it's high development.

    I for one am gonna take off my cynical hat, put on a "this could be cool" hat and wait and see what happens.

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  5. Uggggh by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    When can we vote this whole American Idol concept off the island?

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  6. Smart move by Denial93 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a not-so-expensive method of asking the userbase what it wants, and getting their ideas. I'm willing to bet a number of entries (especially of those which didn't win, or didn't even make it into the round of 24) will end up as features in the next MacOS.

    I believe we will see more ventures of this kind in the future, even outside software. The ideas that "little people" never had the resources to implement are a resource that can be valuable and is easily tapped. What is funny is that the whole model started not in some corporate think tank, but in FPS mods. Final Doom is the first instance I can think of.

  7. Idea 1b by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Might work better if you download Linux before deleting your old OS.

  8. Don't be so crass by LKM · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, if you're not a programmer, your idea is basically worthless. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Programmers who actually implement your idea cost money. Now, you can either participate in this contest and (if you win) not only see your idea realized, but actually get a price and royalties if the app sells.

    The choice isn't between owning a great idea which will inevitably make your rich, and giving it away for nothing, as you make it out to be. The choice is between nothing and seeing your idea realized while making money.

    Obviously, if you're a programmer who has an awesome idea, don't participate in this contest. Implement it yourself. But I don't think there's even one programmer too stupid to realize this.

    1. Re:Don't be so crass by Shaper_pmp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bad programmers are a dime a dozen, which is why so are bad programs.

      Good programmers are worth their weight in gold, or at least 10-28 times their weight in bad programmers.

      Anyone could hire some teenage VB6 script kiddie out of school to bodge up something similar to what they were thinking for dollars an hour, max. The trick is in finding someone who'll take on your vague idea[1] and develop it into something beautiful, functional and usable that you can take credit for.

      That is neither easy nor cheap to outsource.

      Footnotes:

      [1] I'm sorry, but if long experience developing has taught me anything, it's this: If you don't know how to code, and have no experience of coding, you have no idea what you want.

      You might have the vaguest inkling of what you desire, but you won't have considered 90% of the edge cases, it'll be wrong in at least three ways and the whole requirement will need re-writing by the developer once he understands what you actually do want.

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    2. Re:Don't be so crass by TheBogBrushZone · · Score: 2, Insightful
      [1] I'm sorry, but if long experience developing has taught me anything, it's this: If you don't know how to code, and have no experience of coding, you have no idea what you want.
      I have to disagree here, if only about the way you express this. It's not that you don't know what you want it's just that you don't know how to express it in a way that a developer will understand. Customers talk in vague high-level terms and we talk in terms of testable cases and conditions. It is such a terrible terrible mistake to think you know better than them what they want because you will often be wrong - badly wrong - and have to spend a great deal of time and money fixing it (then blame them for changing their mind). This is not a new concept but a well understood principle of engineering. It is important not to try to interpret someone else's first expression of their idea into workable software. You have to discuss it with them. Find a common ground in which to communicate (this is where languages like UML come in because they can be used at all levels of development for different purposes). Tell them what is and isn't feasible and find solutions. Don't just dismiss what you have been asked to as impossible or unreasonable because you are the 'expert'. You may be the expert coder but you aren't the expert in someone else's business or in their idea.
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  9. Re:An Ipod for IP by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I disagree - programmers are two a penny, but a good idea is incredibly valuable.

    Why do you think patents are so valuable? Will the winner of the competition get the patent?

  10. I wonder... by locokamil · · Score: 4, Funny
    ... if they can write an automatic lameness filter that recognizes when a Mac is being an officious and superior bastard and initiate a shock sequence by way of response. I recommend the following performance vs. penalty scheme:
    • 1 shock every time user logs on to Apple hardware related forum to masturbate about what new hardware may or may not be revealed during Steve Job's next keynote address
    • 2 shocks for every DRM ridden iTunes song downloaded by the user because "it works out better for the artists, and because it gives me the flexibility to do whatever I want with my music." Discretionary shocks may be assigned on the basis of whether or not the song is subsequently downloaded to an iPod (max. 1 shock), and if said iPod is a "special edition" U2 iPod (max. 2 shocks)
    • 3 shocks for every "My mac 'just works'" comment. Additional shocks in the event that Mac breaks down 1 day after warranty expires (max 3 shocks); further shocks may be assigned if user has to go to friend who uses Linux to get the problem sorted out (max 4 shocks)
    • 4 shocks for every time user says that Apple is the only sensible platform for him/her because he/she is an "artist."
    • 5 shocks for every "I never get viruses" comment to a PC user. More shocks if the user is a graphic designer who uses his computer for nothing except photoshop (max 6 additional shocks). Fatal shock may be administered if user is a graphic designer talking to a sysadmin in charge of maintaining a network of PCs.
    Now where's my iPod?
    1. Re:I wonder... by argent · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While OS X isn't perfect by any means, and while most of the actual hardware sucks, the main advantage of the Mac is that it lets you get so much closer to treating it as a tool rather than a lifestyle...

    2. Re:I wonder... by TomorrowPlusX · · Score: 5, Insightful
      ... a whole lot of not-funny ranting from some asshole

      How about 10 shocks for Windows/Linux users who are constantly angry at Mac users simply because Mac users can't get it in their heads that they should just give up and use PCs? I mean, come on? Don't you arrogant elitists realize that your computers are worthless and that you're assholes for even using Macs?

      You know what? I'm an "artist", a graphic designer. I use macs because, well fuck] I've used Photoshop, Quark and illustrator -- on macs -- since the early/mid 90's. I like the platform. I know the platform. The platform fucking works. I don't need to justify being an elitist asshole if your definition of being an elitist asshole is that I'm a guy who makes a living, you know, eating, paying rent, etc by using a computer you clearly disapprove of.

      Also, I'm a programmer. I've done professional embedded systems programming on Solaris ( cross compiling to embedded hardware ) and I used linux exclusively at home for several years. I've also done Win32 programming, as well. You know why I have a Mac at home now? Because they're so goddamned well designed, at the API level that they're a dream to program for. And the hardware works. Quite well, too.

      And you know what? I've not had a virus on any mac of mine since maybe 1993 or 1994.

      So I say you get 10 shocks for being a dismissive PC user who insists that everybody do things the way you do, because clearly you know better than us how to do what we do.

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    3. Re:I wonder... by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny
      if said iPod is a "special edition" U2 iPod (max. 2 shocks)
      You're being way too soft there, I think a dozen or so at least.

      BTW I read a great heckler story in the Guardian the other day. Bono was doing his "every time I clap my hands a child dies in Africa" speech at a gig, when someone shouted out "well stop fucking clapping then you idiot."

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  11. Let me clarify by Propaganda13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Successful implementation of a good idea is incredibly valuable. You don't have to come up with a new idea, you just have to implement it better than others. Do you think the Ipod was the first mp3 player?

    1. Re:Let me clarify by whyloginwhysubscribe · · Score: 2, Informative

      Of course the ipod wasn't the first mp3 player, but it wasn't the programming which made it a success. It's a great combination of design, functionality and brand. Perhaps the analogy of pop idol is a good one. Being a success in IT isn't just about the idea, and how well it is implemented - just as in the music industry. Unfortunately, the best bands don't always make it - but some pretty crap bands do sometimes make it! Apple have an amazing team of programmers and designers - but my point is that they can't ever have enough new ideas, which is why we see companies like SketchUp being bought up by Google etc. Imagine an idea for an application with as great an impact as the spreadsheet, for example - this is a very valuable idea to apple and they are in a good position to make it a success.

  12. Woz is a judge for this? by Bob+Cat+-+NYMPHS · · Score: 2

    I didn't know you could jump the shark on a Segway!

  13. Re:An Ipod for IP by NMerriam · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I disagree - programmers are two a penny, but a good idea is incredibly valuable.

    If you're just talking about code-monkeys, then I'd agree they aren't particularly rare. But the guys involved in this project are developers who it seems will be expected to work out most of the actual *workings* of whatever "idea" is presented, and they have histories of coming up with useful and usable interfaces.

    Saying "I want a program that will automatically fix the tags of all my MP3 files" is not hard. It's coming up with an algorithm or system to analyze song files successfully, or an interface to efficiently present songs to the user for identification, that would be the hard part.

    Obviously if the entrants of this contest have already worked out the implementation details and interface for the idea and just need a programmer with Objective C experience to get it working, then the idea man deserves the major credit. But that's not what this contest sounds like to me.

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  14. Dream App? Why not go all the way... by JasonBee · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about a new Finder?

    *hangs head*....

  15. Little People Patents by Dareth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "The ideas that "little people" never had the resources to implement are a resource that can be valuable and is easily tapped."

    Unless they protect them with patents prior to entering them in the contest. Does the winner get a royalty? Ever wonder if the "recording contract" an American Idol wins is better than a regular "slave contract" other artist sign?

    Hopefully just submitting the idea is considering publishing it. Software patents are bad enough without someone else patenting your idea.

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  16. Native Hypercard for OS X by Old.UNIX.Nut · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is a no-brainer.

  17. Non-coders aren't the problem... by stokes · · Score: 4, Interesting
    [1] I'm sorry, but if long experience developing has taught me anything, it's this: If you don't know how to code, and have no experience of coding, you have no idea what you want.
    I disagree. I think people who know how to code can sometimes get tunnel vision; they try to think of an idea but unconsciously return to what they know about coding -- standard UI widgets, common practices, how other applications they've written worked, et cetera. I sometimes get trapped like this myself. Someone who is just a user will describe what they want and not consider that stock widget x can't do what they're describing. The problem isn't people who don't know how to code, but people who don't think things through.
  18. So... by tnk1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Is Woz playing Simon, or is he going to be Paula Abdul?

  19. Apple Idol by owlman17 · · Score: 2, Funny

    AI style:

    Randy Wozniak: "C'mon dawg! S'da right language selection, needs to be a bit optimized here but its ok."

    Steven Abdul: "You have great potential and your code just moves me. The UI looks fabulous! Just keep shining, win or not, you're l337!"

    Steve Cowell: "Appalling, simply appalling. Dreadful. It's a no."

  20. Re:Uh oh by tehcyder · · Score: 2, Funny
    I won't go down too well :|
    You are so dumped.

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  21. Re:"open," eh? by godawful · · Score: 2

    this also has all of jack to do with apple. they are in no way related to the contest other than it being the platform the app is developed for.

    mmm, apple jack.

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