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Iranian Heavy Water Nuke Plant Goes Online Today
avtchillsboro writes "According to an article in the NYT, an Iranian heavy water nuke plant goes online today. From the article: 'An Iranian plant that produces heavy water officially went into operation on Saturday, despite U.N. demands that Tehran stop the activity because it can be used to develop a nuclear bomb. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad inaugurated the plant, which Tehran says is for peaceful purposes. The announcement comes days before Thursday's U.N. deadline for Iran to stop uranium enrichment — which also can be used to create nuclear weapons — or face economic and political sanctions.'"
Cue obligatory 'Weapons of Mast Destruction' quote from Dubya because Nucular doesn't sound evil enough.
they want nuclear power, and everyone goes apeshit?
The real question is, what happens then?
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Hopefully we will have widthdrawn from the region because we severed our addiction to foreign oil. Therefore we let Israel and Iran nuke each other and fight it out. The same thing if Pakistan and India nuked each other. Or Russia and China... or
The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend
What are you a frigging idiot? Just because they werent found at this time, doesnt mean they didn't make them. In fact we know that they did. Hell the man used them against his own people. We KNOW they made them and we KNOW they had them. However, theres no telling where they ended up. My guess is more than a little ended up directly in the hands of the "turrists". Some are probably buried out in the desert that is most of Iraq.
You don't use heavy water for power generation. You use uranium or plutonium. All nuclear power generation is fission. Uranium and Plutonium will fission. Heavy water will not fission. It will, however, fusion. There is no reactor that will fusion in a commercially viable way. There is ONLY ONE device that uses heavy water.... A hydrogen bomb.
The sole reason Iran is developing a nuclear weapon is because the US sucks, Bush is evil, and Halliburton runs the country.
Now where are my points for being Insightful?
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
When a country in the middle east close to a lot of oil is thinking about makeing alternative energy, the US should maybe considering doing the same, instead of pushing DIRTY coal energy (what an idiocy) and driving 4liter engine trucks on completely flawless flat roads .....
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Oh well, and the us does not seem to be interested in Korea that much anymorem eventhough they are known to produce nuclear weapons and rockets
Sorry to say, but the US should not have the idea/power/facce of telling countries things like "you cannot have a nuclear plant" because we think you are all arab terrorists/and or financing terrorists and/or might be sometimes financing terrorists
They could suggest to the UN to tell a country not to make nukes (as in nuclear weapons) but still, on what ground? The US is a big nuke power, so it should not have the right to tell a country not to make the same weapons they are ?entitled? to produce on a God given bases. Because they are not Koreans, Russians, or they read a line in the other direction.
now tag me troll or flamebait, I am a very european and very white person who just cannot watch that injustice constantly without spitting out my thought, at least to the
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ps: being as green and vegetarian and all as I can, I think Nuke power, when applied safely, could turn this rottening planet into a better place... definetely better than what we are doing now, burning oil and coal. And before you mention Chernobil, I was very close to taht when it happened, and we got a good dose of it,,,,,, that crap blew bacause it was carelessly maintained, in my country we have the same construction working for 20 years just fine up to today...
That may be true if your opponent is at least partially rational. Eg the US, the USSR, China and so on. It's not true if your opponent is non rational. And I mean rational here in the loosest possible sense, i.e. that safeguards prevent a paranoid individual from triggering armageddon.
I'd say that none of the countries in the Middle East are completely rational. Maybe Israel, but it's hard for a tiny country with a secret nuclear weapons program surrounded by genocidal but technically backward countries to stay rational. They may decide to decentralise their lauch process for example, to be sure that they can respond to a first strike.
If you look at Tariq Aziz's interview post Gulf War II, decision making inside Iraq was highly non rational, almost as if they assumed that the apocalypse was innevitable, and highly disconnected from any objective news at the same time. My guess is that Iran and Syria are in a similar state.
And the attempt at getting nukes is likely to trigger disasterous intervention from either the US or Israel. So for Middle Eastern countries, a nuke program does not increase safety.
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The problem is that the Iranians won't care about the consequences, so long as they destroy Israel. They are suicidal maniacs.
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Big oil: "Lets send in the troops to put an end to the cheap Iranian oil pumping. Cheap oil is not good for business at all, and it does not play nicely with our made up 'peak oil' propaganda."
Saddam was selling oil way to cheap, so we didn't like him. Hugo Chavez is trying to sell oil cheap, so we don't like him either.
Artificial scarcity is the name of the game. Monster profits will follow.
Sam has one liberty, which he sacrifices for one security. Can you tell me what Sam has now?
Defining peace Iran Style - Peace can be achieved by the destruction of Israel and "all" western ideology. There is only one god. And anyone who does not believe in Ala (and Mohammed as his Prophet) are evil. And it is probably Bush's fault the world is so messed up. I read about people trying to defend Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbulla simply because of their hatred of the current US president or their hatred for the US. Can't you people see it is simply pure hatred that is driving Iran and Syria to do what they are doing? It is not a Bush thing or a US thing. There is no negotiation there is no compromise Iran's plans have been laid out in front for everyone to see but some people do not see it or choose not to believe it. Seriously, did your mothers or fathers teach you that if you suck up to someone you get them to do what you want. Maybe we should send Bill Richardson with flowers and chocolates to talk to Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei. Maybe Richard will say. Yup, they want to convert us or kill us. If the World (and including the UN) allows Iran to get their way get used to getting up for early morning prayers. Punishing your wife for displaying here skin and believe that Jesus is not the real messiah only Mohammed and Ala. I think we (the world) are dragging our feet because we do not know how to deal with this much evil and deception. And no leaders in the world have the gonads to take on this evil except Bush and Olmert. Yes Virginia, I do believe it is a Jihad. Remember 9/11 it was then officially declared. And some of you heard about it but didn't actually listen.
I think there should be a disclaimer that George Galloway is a worshipper of Saddam Hussein, and was seen on camera wishing him good luck in conquering Jerusalem.
Also I'm sure he'd love to be referred to as English.
1) the holocaust, true or false is being abused for malicious purposes by a variety of groups, and at least parts of it have been willingly exagerated/deceptively portrayed by people who should know better.
2) The holocaust revisionists case, at least on the surface, is quite strong. What I mean by this is that the arguments/evidence I have so far seen are well thought out, cogent, and fairly convincing IF the underlying info checks out. howeverI have not yet had time to thouroughly check out much of this underlying info, so I cant yet say how much is true or not.
3) Some very powerful groups are hiding something. It may not be that the holocaust didnt occur, it may be more related to why it occured or who else was involved, Im not sure yet. Why else have this media blackout on what their arguments are, deceptive statements about what they actually believe, and worldwide (already fairly successful) push for anti free-speech laws jailing people for even discussing it? (this is the one im only semi sure of. It's probably mostly widespread unconcious denial on the media's part, after buying the "info" given out on the holocaust, and therefore having an emotional response to people trying to deny its occurance, not "conspiracy", however not everything can be explained by this)
of course, Im just a youngish whipper-snapper with no personal experience in the area (though my grandma was held in a Japanese POW camp, and is still messed up over half a century later) so its hard for me to be sure of much of anything. Its ALL stories to me, I've just gotta decide which ones I believe.(and watch out for the white supremacist assholes hijacking the issue for their own racist purposes)
You know what really got me thinking? before I even looked into it, I was talking about a different issue, and my mum mentioned holocaust deniers, and how its rediculous, and my own grandma has the tattoos to prove it. When I stumbled onto some revisionist stuff, and saw that they werent actually denying that, I realised: hell most people probably feel this way, knowing someone involved, and for this reason will look no further, except this proves nothing; one it was a japanese camp, but two, its based on a misunderstanding of what they are actually denying, and its not the rounding up and tattooing.
If you feel like having a look through, heres a video archive revisionist look at the operation reinhardt death camps, and the evidence for/against them. I would be grateful if someone with decent knowledge in the area could watch them properly and point out any (serious) lies, errors or relevant ommisions in them (not just nitpicking though)
deathcamp investigation
interview with Dr F piper, mainstream Auschwitz historian)
also google "dsmrd"
watch "the money masters" on google video
Sounds like Japan thought they were dealing with Europeans.