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The NYT's OS-Restrictive Video Policies

ro1 writes to mention a story on Linux.com about the NYT's confusing video policies. Essentially, if you're running Linux you can only see videos running on the front page of the site; videos elsewhere on the site require Windows or OSX. Roblimo has a video tour of the NYT site to explain the issue in detail. (Linux.com and Slashdot are both owned by OSTG.)

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  1. Funny! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the intro to the video:

    by Robin "Roblimo" Miller
    A Linux/.com/OSTG production

    *snort* Production? Using vnc2swf does not make you a producer ;-)

    Seriously tho' - roblimo's correct. It's an utterly absurd situation. A linux user should not have to change their UA string (illegal in some jurisdictions) just to watch videos. Why the hell isn't the NYT checking flash versions rather than OS anyway?

    Nicely done anyway - and using flash a little flash presentation is a good way to get your point across to the non-techies around (I imagine even a senior editor at the NYT could understand the problem after watching that video).
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    1. Re:Funny! by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 4, Informative
      Now _that's_ ridiculous!

      Yes. However, I think I should have qualified it. I wrote that due to something in the wget man page:

      Identify as agent-string to the HTTP server. The HTTP protocol allows the clients to identify themselves using a User-Agent header field. This enables distinguishing the WWW software, usually for statistical purposes or for tracing of protocol violations. Wget normally identifies as `Wget/version', version being the current version number of Wget. However, some sites have been known to impose the policy of tailoring the output according to the User-Agent-supplied information. While conceptually this is not such a bad idea, it has been abused by servers denying information to clients other than Mozilla or Microsoft Internet Explorer. This option allows you to change the User-Agent line issued by Wget. Use of this option is discouraged, unless you really know what you are doing. NOTE that Netscape Communications Corp. has claimed that false transmissions of `Mozilla' as the User-Agent are a copyright infringement, which will be prosecuted. DO NOT misrepresent Wget as Mozilla.

      However - that item is not in the current version of wget, so who knows.

      Interesting hoever, that netscape at least at one point in time claimed copyright on "Mozilla" in a UA string.
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    2. Re:Funny! by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Seriously tho' - roblimo's correct. It's an utterly absurd situation. A linux user should not have to change their UA string (illegal in some jurisdictions) just to watch videos. Why the hell isn't the NYT checking flash versions rather than OS anyway?

      I thought if something ever runs on Linux without additional configuration, compilation and hacketry, the universe would implode from the created paradox.

  2. Karma Whoring by Aqws · · Score: 4, Informative

    For everyone using firefox, here's a nice little extension to get past this stuff. You can also set it as a googlebot and get all their articles for free.

  3. Re:NY Times, or Linux? by pembo13 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How does any client side bug set their policy. Their policy clearly leaves out Linux users, and I am refering to their system requirements page. Also, how would they go about detecting a bug with the clients Linux/Flash player in the first place. This seems like an if-else where Linux falls into the else.

    The only real question is if this was purposely done or not. I myself have seen my fair share of website that simply do not combinations of Linux and non-IE browsers for no obvious technical reason.

    In the NY Times defense however, it's their site, they can do what they want, provided they give their Linux using subscribers a refund on their subscription fee.

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  4. ahem by rucs_hack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm 'Needless Paranioa' and I aprove of this message.

    I'm sorry, but what? All I can see is that their current online video authoring package isn't very good, and they don't want to have people who's OS doesn't support it thinking that there's a bug with their site.

    Ok, it's not a good plan to not have it working in linux, but lets be honest, how many of the people working at nyt have anything but windows at their desk? I'm guessing none, with possibly a few macs about the place.
    For that matter, how many users will be on linux? Not many I'll wager. Sad, but almost certainly true. Therefore this problem will effect only a very small minority of their readers.

    The chances are that most people here use linux (me included). However, we are still in the minority, and we don't have persuasive reps loaded with free pens going round selling authoring packages and other web software to newspapers.
    While that's the case, linux will get the short straw.

  5. Re:Wow. by X43B · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The NYT is not alone. I was signing up for a UFB Direct online bank account and the application froze. I called the 800 number and they immediately said, "you used Firefox, didn't you?". Yes I did and they only support IE. For goodness sake they are a ONLINE BANK and they don't support a browser with 10%+ market share? Can you imagine if they had someone at a brick and mortar store and they threw out every 10th person who walked through?

    I call shenanigans!

  6. NYT's target audience... by jkrise · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently this is NYT's way of saying that if you're smart enough to be using Linux, and diligent enough to go beyond the front page, then New York Times isn't meant for you! It could be their strategy to cater to only the dumber sections of the poulace, perhaps?

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  7. Effort & Priorities by corychristison · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a web developer I'd like to say that it would take more effort to restrict browsers/operating systems than to accomodate for them.

    Seems as though they have their priorities a little backwards.
    Stupid f**king people these days.

  8. Just to quash any rumors to the contrary... by andymadigan · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just set my User Agent in Firefox 1.5.0.5/Ubuntu Linux 6.06 to Opera 8.0/Win 2000, after whitelisting the site with flashblock, the video played perfectly in the Videos section, and I wasn't shooed away by any browser detection.

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  9. Re:Wow. by pesc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I called the 800 number and they immediately said, "you used Firefox, didn't you?". Yes I did and they only support IE.

    What does it tell you when your bank only supports the least secure browser and won't do business with people who prefer more security?

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  10. Re:Flash Versions by Tornado419 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adobe is creating a Flash 9 player for linux. You can read the developer's blog here