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AOL 9.0 Called Badware

An anonymous reader writes "The bad news at AOL keeps coming. First they get in trouble for releasing search data on more than half a million customers, then it gives away security software with a nasty EULA, now its free client software is accused of acting like badware according to Stopbadware.org, the Google-funded rating group."

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  1. LOL by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Informative

    So, Google technically owns like 5% of AOL, and funds stopbadware.org. So this is sort of like Sony vs. Sony, isn't it? Not directly relevant, but interesting as it shows how widespread these big Internet companies are, and how many pies they have their fingers in.

    1. Re:LOL by pmancini · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its more like a concerned stock holder voicing a concern. I own a good chunck of the company I work for and if they were to screw up I'd get on them to fix things too. Its not uncommon to see stake holders do this sort of thing because it protects your bottomline.

      Lets face it though, hasn't AOL been "badware" since like 1991? ;-)

  2. Badware? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That sounds like a term a 5 year old would come up with.

    1. Re:badware? by w33t · · Score: 5, Funny

      I prefer to call it "misunderstoodware".

    2. Re:Badware? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well, it's a nice way to sum up adware, viruses, worms, trojans, rootkits, spyware, and all that stuff. It's easy to understand. Joe Schmoe might not know what a rootkit is, but he's got a good idea that "badware" or "malware" (my prefered term) is not something he wants on his computer.

    3. Re:badware? by Br00se · · Score: 5, Informative

      Badware Behavior
      Installs additional software without disclosure (Deceptive installation)
      Forces users to take an action (Interferes with computer use)
      Adds AOL toolbar in Internet Explorer (Makes changes to other software without disclosure)
      Adds additional icons to default Internet Explorer toolbar (Makes changes to other software without disclosure)
      Adds to "Favorites" in Internet Explorer (Modifies other software without disclosure)
      Adds AOL Deskbar to the user's taskbar (Modifies other software without disclosure)
      Updates software automatically (Deceptive installation)
      Fails to uninstall software completely (Unacceptable unistallation)

    4. Re:badware? by Tom+in+Boston · · Score: 5, Funny
      But it's so simple and easy to uninstall! I wrote up these instructions...

      http://websiteperson.com/advocate/uninstallaol90.h tm

      1. Go to the control panel, Add/Remove Software, and choose AOL. I think it asks you to restart after this.
      All done, right? Not yet!
      2. Follow the same steps to remove "Real Player," assuming you don't want it! (Spyware, intrusive.)
      3. Follow the same steps to remove "AOL Coach." Apparently uninstalling AOL doen't uninstall this, whatever it is.
      4. Follow the same steps to remove "AOL Desk Bar." Hmmm... Maybe this was the icon in the task bar?
      5. Follow the same steps to remove "AOL Spyware Protection."
      6. Follow the same steps to remove "AOL Toolbar."
      7. Follow the same steps to remove "AOL You've Got Pictures Screensaver."
      I think we're almost done!
      8. Follow the same steps to remove "Pure Networks Port Magic." (What the heck is THAT?)
      9. Follow the same steps to remove "Viewpoint Experience Technology."
      Not done yet...

  3. Not uninstalling is a huge pet peeve of mine by indytx · · Score: 5, Insightful
    From the article:

    The suite is also criticized for engaging in "deceptive installation" and faulted because some components fail to uninstall.

    This is just ridiculous. Why are there so many programs that refuse to uninstall or leave pieces of themselves lying around? How hard can it be for the "uninstall" function to actually work? Worse, do I really need several dialog boxes to get rid of something? I can always install it again. It's not like I'm wiping my hard drive.

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    1. Re:Not uninstalling is a huge pet peeve of mine by bogie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it was just a few preferences left behind then there probably won't be any issue. But have a look at this screenshot. http://stopbadware.org/images/screenshots/AOL/AOL1 1.html

      Two processes are left running and sucking up memory. The programmer who is charge of the unistall routine should be tarred and feathered and then forbidden from ever working in the field again. Beyond the obvious issue think about this. Aol 9.0.3343 is updated to 9.0.4000 because of a massive security flaw in AOLServiceHost.exe. You uninstalled AOL before the update came out and yet there sits part of the old version of AOL running as part of your OS just inviting trouble.

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  4. Re:Maybe Joe Schmoe shouldn't be using a computer. by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all, it is often computers owned by people like the average Joe Schmoe which get compromised and are used to send spam or propagate worms.

    Let's talk about Joe Schmoe for a second here. Joe Schmoe is probably a decent guy, and not necessarily dumb. It's just that he has a job, bills to pay, hobbies, and with any luck, a wife/girlfriend, and maybe kids. He thinks of his computer as he thinks of his washing machine. He buys it at a big box store, spends an hour or so setting it up, and then he uses it as a tool. When it breaks, he calls Geek Squad or the smart nerdy kid down the street, just like if the washing machine breaks, he calls the repair guy from Sears.

    He doesn't look at a PC as a car, he thinks of it as a washing machine. We need to educate him about how to use it safely (SP2, patches, and AV for starters), and acting all high-and-mighty about it gets you nowhere.

  5. Re:Maybe Joe Schmoe shouldn't be using a computer. by monsterfish · · Score: 5, Funny
    He doesn't look at a PC as a car, he thinks of it as a washing machine.
    In that case... I guess I look at my car as a washingmachine, look at my PC as a car... but I just can't remember what I use my actual washingmachine for!
  6. It's Still Badware by homer_ca · · Score: 5, Informative

    I installed AOL 9.0 on a virtual machine to see for myself, and it is a seriously annoying piece of software. It takes an extra section of the taskbar for itself (about 1/5 the width of a 1024 screen). It adds an autostart tray icon and about five desktop shortcuts. I launched the program to see if I could log in with my AIM account. I got to a screen where I could log in with an existing account or register a new account, but that screen had no back or cancel. I could only kill it with task manager.

    It's obviously made for newbies who need lots of handholding, and it's good that they're bundling free antivirus with AOL 9.0 because that demographic really needs it. If you want to try out free AOL 9.0 over broadband, do yourself a favor and install it in a VM. MS Virtual PC and VMWare Player are both free (beer). QEMU is Free, but you need the KQEMU module to get decent speed, and it's free (beer).

  7. Re:I believe you're quite mistaken, sir. by atokata · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know, a more cynical person, after reading about how our esteemed legislature is just *drooling* all over the idea of heavily regulating the internet, and after reading several stories about how politically-backed PR firms have been increasingly 'astroturfing*' internet forums and other community based sites, might start to think that all these nearly identical messages from ACs advocating a "driver's license for the internet" are some form of covert propaganda.

    A more cynical person, someone experienced with both politics and the internet, might think that messages like this, posted with such similar wording, with such a similar idea being conveyed, could be 'testing the waters,' to see how the techies might respond to such a proposal.

    A more cynical person might think that some senator or congressman, perhaps something involving Ted Stevens, is feeling out the idea of floating a bill, maybe something called "The Internet Security Act," or "The National Data Protection Act," or even the "Save the Children from Internet Pedophiles Act," where compulsory licensing is hidden away within.

    A more cynical person would probably realize that all those license fees would simply disappear into heavily pork-filled projects, the main beneficiaries of which would be gigantic corporations, probably technology based, but equally likely to be ConAgra, Exxon, United Defense, or Halliburton. Even a simpleton would know the license fees do nothing to benefit them.

    A cynical person might already know that as soon as a license becomes madatory, a huge revenue stream is created by fining those individuals who are unlicensed. Just like parking tickets, tax penalties, and code violations, this money will go to supporting even more regulations.

    A cynical person would suspect that an unlicensed computer would become basis for sneak-and-peeks, no-knock-raids, and unwarrented wiretapping. A cynical person knows that countries like Cuba, China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia already have laws regarding licensing of internet access. Sure has helped them, hasn't it?

    A more cynical person might think that kind of thing, indeed.


    *Astroturfing: In American politics and advertising, the term astroturfing describes formal public relations projects which deliberately seek to engineer the impression of spontaneous, grassroots behavior. The goal is the appearance of independent public reaction to a politician, political group, product, service, event, or similar entities by centrally orchestrating the behavior of many diverse and geographically distributed individuals.