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MarkusQ writes "A few days ago a bi-partisan bill (PDF) to create a searchable on-line database of government contracts, grants, insurance, loans, financial assistance, earmarks and other such pork was put on 'secret hold' using a procedure that does not appear to be mentioned in the Constitution or in the Senate bylaws. This raised the ire of bloggers left and right and started an all out bi-partisan effort to expose the culprit by process of elimination. As it turns out it was our old friend the right honorable Senator from Alaska, Mr. 'Series of Tubes', Ted 'Bridge to Nowhere' Stevens."

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  1. Re:Ackthpt's Theorem by cmburns69 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is said: Power corrupts, while absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    My theorem: The longer any party or group remains in power the closer they come to corrupt.


    I agree wholeheartedly. My new policy on voting is to always vote out an incumbent, unless I've been especially happy with his performance. If the whole country did that (especially on the national level, but also on the local level), I believe we'd have a lot fewer issues with corrupt politicians.

    But then again, what to I know... I'm just a lowly working class citizen.

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  2. Here's The Icing On The Cake by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Now, you may ask, why would Sen. Stevens, father of the $250,000,000 "Bridge To Nowhere" , the King of Pork himself--why would this man ever want to put a hold on a bill such as this?

    Turns out he's just concerned that this bill would cost too much of the good American taxpayers' money.

    Seriously--the man deserves his seat in Congress, if only for being able to sling such profoundly obvious bullshit with a perfectly straight face.

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  3. Re:Ackthpt's Theorem by Lijemo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is said: Power corrupts, while absolute power corrupts absolutely.

    I would argue that a more accurate saying would be: "power attracts the corrupt. Absolute power attracts the corrupt irresistably".

    The longer any party or group remains in power the closer they come to corrupt.

    ...because that means the corrupt have had that much longer to maneuver their way into power within the party or group. Changing ruling parties/groups frequently means a lot of corrupt power-brokering ends up being wasted maneuvering to power within a group that no longer has any externally.

    Or as my great grandfather liked to say, "political parties are like old socks: if you don't change them often enough, they get so they smell"

    Having just two isn't that much better. Because "the corrupt" can do well for themselves by maneuvering to power within either one of them.

  4. Re:No Shit, Sherlock? by MBCook · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it's terrible too. But reading the article something else struck me.

    Doesn't it give someone entirely too much power to let a single Senator be able to block and entire bill indefinatly and anonymously? Isn't the whole point of a body like the Senate to make multiple people have to agree on something so one lone quack can't screw things up like this?

    Alaskins... PLEASE tell me you are doing something about this guy.

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  5. And the best part is... by MarkusQ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The thing I like best about this story is that its part of a larger reframing of the conflict, from a red-team vs. blue-team battle where you're stuck choosing the lesser of two evils to a more clear-cut battle between We The People and those who would like to take advantage of us.

    As a life long Republican that can't stand Bush, I probably have deep ideological difference with half (or more) of the people who worked on this, but I respect not only their right to hold opinions that differ from mine, but to know where their tax dollars are going, and who doesn't want them to know.

    --MarkusQ

  6. Re:The other white meat. by SoCalChris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't know, Conrad Burns has brought a lot of pork into Montana, and almost everyone I know here hates him, and can't wait to vote him out of office.

  7. Re:The other white meat. by Qwavel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    t's a GOOD thing. Really. It's representative government at its finest....
    Ouch!

    It is sometimes said that the American political system, while good in structure, has become so beholden to money and self-interest that it is now one of the worst of the Western democracies.

    For example, you have Jesse Helmes who was prepared to inflict terrible things on people in other countries to save a few jobs or a bit of pork in his own district (eg. tobacco). The companies involved rewarded him with the money to advertise, and the voters were prepared to sacrafice many people they couldn't see in the name of their (or their neighbors) self interest.

    Now, the fact that you think this is a GOOD thing REALLY scares me.

  8. He's also Mr Broadcast Flag, and Mr Web Censorship by ntk · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The latest version of Steven's telecom reform bill has the broadcast flag, the RIAA's audio flag, and compulsory web labelling for US adult sites. The bill is currently unpopular among some senators because there's no network neutrality provisions -- but there's a lot more in there that stinks.

    More information at the EFF. Please write to your senator, and tell them to stand against Steven's bill.

  9. More on Senatorial holds by snowwrestler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    First of all, any Senator can block almost any bill already, using a filibuster. So it's not like this is a new concept.

    Furthermore a "hold" is not secret to everyone; otherwise it would be pointless. The Senate leader is informed by the cloakroom that Senator so-and-so has placed a hold on Bill X. And it's rarely a "secret" within the halls of the Senate who placed the hold and why...it typically flows from dissention that is already there. Most Senators and staff can guess or find out who placed the hold. That does not mean they will share it with the public.

    The hold process is just one of many ways the Senate operates to get things done. There are finely graded degrees of escalation in a debate--necessary in a legislative body that can be stopped cold by any one person. Think of the filibuster as a nuke and you'll start to get it...there needs to be many levels of diplomatic tools below that, or shit will blow up too easily.

    The "hold" is just one of those tools--a way for a Senator to demonstrate that they are more than a little unhappy, and to slow down the process until they are satisfied. It's effective precisely because it usually is back-channel...so it avoids pointless public posturing, and allows the people to compromise out of the public eye. This is not always a bad thing...think of the difference between how people act in normal life and how they act on a reality TV show. Putting people under the microscope 100% of the time distorts their decision-making process. The Constitution doesn't require all deliberation to be open. Our system of government calls for the election of leaders, and allows us to petition them. But it is designed, on purpose, to provide some insulation for the elected leaders.

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  10. Progress by Repealing Stupidity 2006! by Myself · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been tossing around the idea that, one month every year, legislators should work on repealing stupid old laws. It'd make great press, and it might encourage public debate about progressive versus traditional values.

    1. Re:Progress by Repealing Stupidity 2006! by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 4, Interesting
      I've been tossing around the idea that, one month every year, legislators should work on repealing stupid old laws

      Another R.A.Heinlein idea independently arrived, heh .. his idea was to form a third house of Congress whose job was simply to repeal laws.

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  11. Re:Ackthpt's Theorem by McNally · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The money ought to come from Alaska's state budget. I hope that's obvious. But it's a lot harder to find $223 million in a state's budget than in the fed's. Pretty much the only way Alaska could come up with that money is to increase taxes. There's no way that Alaskan taxpayers would approve a tax increase for such a stupid cause.
    You're perfectly right that Alaskans would never consider paying for this "vital" project themselves. Heck, I live in the community where the famous "bridge to nowhere" is supposedly going to be built and I'm sure you couldn't get voters here to tax themselves to pay for 5% of the bridge construction costs. What does that mean when you don't want to pay for something even when 95% of the cost will be paid for by someone else?

    Oh, by the way, know what the top story on the front page of the Ketchikan Daily News was today? Apparently the $230,000,000 estimate for building the bridge was off by a bit and they're now saying it will take $328,000,000 to build the bridge they plan on building. Meanwhile about half of the money allocated for the bridge last year is now gone, used to pay for other transportation projects in Alaska after the earmarks were removed from the funding about a month after the first package passed. I wouldn't be surprised if, by the time it's done, we wind up calling it the Billion Dollar Bridge.
  12. Boomerang time. by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Judicial branch is freed from that nuisance and can focus on doing what the Constitution mandates, not what the people consider fashionable.

    Or they can do whatever they feel like because, really, who's going to stop them?

    Keep in mind that without the Judicial branch, we'd still have segregated schools.

    Keep in mind that without the Judicial Branch we wouldn't have had a Federal rubber stamp on the practice of segregated schools for about 80 years.

    Things like "legislating from the bench" are exactly what allow the Constitutionally "right" thing to overrule the popular thing.

    Dredd Scott

    Plessy vs. Ferguson

    That's my definition of "legislating from the bench". "Legislating from the bench" is by definition not "constitutionally right", as if you could find it in the Constitution you wouldn't have to make it up by "legislating from the bench" in the first place. "Legislating from the bench" gives us "slaves as property", "seperate but equal", and "tax revenue == public good" (ala Kelo).

    I think you need to check yourself on this.

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