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Intel to Lay Off Thousands

symbolset writes to say that "Intel is expecting to lay off 10% of their workforce in a move to become more competitive against rival AMD. From the article: 'The Santa Clara, Calif.-based chipmaker, having suffered several financially disappointing quarters, launched an internal analysis in April to find ways to increase its efficiency. [CEO Paul] Otellini is scheduled to announce the results of the analysis, including the layoff, on Tuesday after the stock market closes, sources familiar with the plans said. Intel has about 100,000 employees worldwide, so the cut could be as high as 10 percent of the company's staff.' Coverage also at The Register, internetnews.com, and more as it develops at Google News. Reuters has the number at up to 16,000."

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  1. Hopefully not by email by mgblst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Intel has more class than some other companies.

    But this is still a huge number of people to get rid off. Don't they do these sort of checks all the time, on a department basis. This sound more like a simple reaction to we can't do anything better, so we will fire people. A bad solution to a problem if you ask me.

    1. Re:Hopefully not by email by sjwaste · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A bad solution to a problem if you ask me.

      Close, but not quite. When they had less competition, they probably just threw people at problems their current staff couldn't solve. Now that there's competition, they have to cut back. The simple reaction you talk about was probably needlessly throwing people at problems in the past.

    2. Re:Hopefully not by email by hiroller · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It seems like a knee-jerk reaction to me. They're losing money and they don't want to scare off the investors. Easiest way to do that is to reduce the money flowing out of the company which usually means layoffs. Less salaries gives the appearance of more profit margins

      Everytime, I hear of layoffs though I always think of Office Space

      Peter Gibbons: You're gonna lay off Samir and Michael?
      Bob Slydell: Oh yeah, we're bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.
      Bob Porter: Standard operating procedure.
      Peter Gibbons: Do they know this yet?
      Bob Slydell: No. No, of course not. We find it's always better to fire people on a Friday. Studies have statistically shown that there's less chance of an incident if you do it at the end of the week.
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/quotes
    3. Re:Hopefully not by email by RetlawST · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've never been a fan of mass layoffs, but we don't know how long this has been in the making. Hopefully Intel has audited well and doesn't end up severing it's own foot in order to escape from the trap. I feel bad for the employees, but layoffs are going to happen at a large company when things start going south. Hopefully Intel is classy and gives them enough time to find new jobs/promise to rehire if things get better.

    4. Re:Hopefully not by email by Richard+Steiner · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They've had competition of a serious nature for several years now at least. That (by itself) doesn't seem to justify the layoffs.

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    5. Re:Hopefully not by email by rcamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

      this guy, against all historical data, claims that intel is losing money. and for this, he is modded insightful. look at the earnings history for the past 4 quarters and tell me if they're really losing money. i will agree that they're making less on a year-to-year basis, but they are still far from losing.

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    6. Re:Hopefully not by email by eggoeater · · Score: 2, Insightful
      i worked there in 2002 as an intern and they did a 4000-person layoff. I remember people were getting 4 months severance pay or something like that. Sounded like a good deal to me.

      I would have thought it was a great deal too when I was in College: "Hey, you no longer have to work and here's twenty thousand dollars." Woohoo!!! Lets party!

      Unfortunatly, once you graduate college it becomes a much more difficult situation. A middle aged engineer (and his/her family) can become quickly accustomed to that kind of money. House mortgage, spouse, 2.5 kids, etc., can quickly burn up 4 months pay.
      And if you have a kid in college you might as well declare bankruptcy and tell the kid to start applying for financial aid, grants, and scholarships.

      I think it's great that a company would give a severance at all, but from the employees' point of view, it's much more favorable to keep your job.

  2. They should start with the bunny suit guys by glomph · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That lame dancing by the clowns in the aluminised bunny suits will not be missed. Hooray for competition, this clearly signals the end of the monopoly. Hopefully this trend will continue to the desktop OS (or more properly, Program Loading Environment with a bunch of device drivers) market.

    1. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by SpecTheIntro · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Hooray for competition, this clearly signals the end of the monopoly.

      I beg your pardon? Intel is absolutely dominating AMD in the notebook market. It already had the vast majority in the desktop market, and with the release of the Core 2 Duo, it's only going to get worse. And on top of that, the new Xeons are better performers than the Opterons in every server test you can imagine. (Although Opteron scalability is still more efficient, thanks to the on-die memory controller.) The "monopoly" was shattered with the release of the AMD64; now Intel is trying to make sure that never happens again. AMD's certainly making it easy for them; they've been twiddling their thumbs (or have done a great job at acting like they have) for the past three years. Things are looking better than ever for Intel. And this job cut is only going to help.

    2. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by radtea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Things are looking better than ever for Intel. And this job cut is only going to help.

      Why do you think that, given the well-known fact that companies that undergo significant layoffs underperform the market for the next few years?

      10% may be below the critical threshold where cuts do more harm than good, but not by much.

      "This job cut may help" would be a rational statement. "This cut is going to help" indicates an unjustified level of confidence in anyone's ability to predict the consequences of a complex action within an evolving market.

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    3. Re:They should start with the bunny suit guys by RzUpAnmsCwrds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not about performance. Read that again. In today's market, it's about the platform and the pricing as much as it is about the product. Core 2 is too expensive ($240 for a 2.13GHz Core 2). Most of the market doesn't care whether or not Intel's $250 CPU beats AMD's $250 CPU (as it turns out, the competition is remarkably close). It's not about Athlon X2 vs Core 2. It's about Sempron vs. Celeron.

      The end of the Intel monopoly hasn't happened yet. It didn't happen when Athlon 64 or Opteron was released. It didn't happen when AMD got major OEM support from HP, Sun, and IBM.

      It's going to happen this October for one reason: Dell. Dell is going to start shipping AMD desktops and laptops. If I were Intel, I'd be very, very worried. AMD has never had such widespread market acceptance.

      AMD's certainly making it easy for them; they've been twiddling their thumbs (or have done a great job at acting like they have) for the past three years.

      One could say the same thing about Intel. From the release of Athlon 64 to the release of Core 2, nothing that Intel has released for desktop computers has even been close to the AMD equivolent. AMD has been idle for the past three years (if by "idle", you mean only releasing Turion 64, Athlon 64 X2, DDR2 support, SSE3, 64-bit Semprons, and a whole mess of other features) because they are focused on eliminating the manufacturing gap with Intel. Fab 36 and Chartered are the reasons that AMD got Dell as a customer.

  3. Don't start with the little guys. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Middle management is a great waste of skin. Plus they often take a fairly large salary while not generating revenue or a product.

  4. Friendly tip from a competitor by tomstdenis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Get with direct link interconnects, FSB is teh stupid
    2. Stop making a new core every other Tuesday, m'kay?
    3. 4MB of cache is nice, but it has to be hella expensive right? [*]
    4. Merge with Nvidia, totally mess up the PC scene, it'll be fun :-)

    [*] Don't look at the retail cost for the true margins they make [if any] on the cores. Selling at a loss or near loss is not a new tactic.

    Tom

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  5. This is hardly news. by Plammox · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They have been laying or selling off in their telecom chip business since June.

  6. Not knee jerk by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This probably is not the simplistic knee jerk reaction that you describe. I'm sure that any of us could identify a lot of redundancy or simple non-performance in any organization of 100,000 people. If you were running an organization with redundancy and dead wood and you were faced with competition from AMD then what would you do?

  7. Ah, yes...the old chestnut by TheWoozle · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "We're laying people off to be more competitive!"

    By this logic, wouldn't firing *everyone* make you the most productive?

    Seriously, though...it's all a show for The Street anyways. They fire a bunch of people to keep the stockholders happy, then when things looks rosy again they quietly hire up again. When was the last time you saw "[Insert big company here] hires 10,000 over last 2 quarters" plastered all over the news?

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  8. Re:Intel will beat down AMD by Dan+Ost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, anti-trust only kicks in if monopoly power is abused.

    Anti-trust will not kick in simply because someone owns a large chunk of
    the market.

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  9. Re:Your days are gone, sir. by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful

    >> The days of producing quality, reliable, affordable consumer goods are over.

    Yeah. My pre-globalization, 1958 Edsel has far superior quality, reliability, and affordability compared to my post-globalization 2006 Honda Civic.

  10. Re:Wonderful by protohiro1 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Very good question, especially considering that the American consumer is a prime driver in the world economy. Here is the new plan for the US economy:
    1. Consumers like cheap stuff
    2. Outsource manufacturing, cut wages across the board, sell stuff for cheaper.
    3. Workers make less and want(need) even cheaper stuff
    4. Go to step 2
    5. Profit!

    Special bonus question: Will step 5 ever execute?

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  11. Re:More competitive? by jank1887 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    10,000 employees, estimate $100,000 per year total expenses per employee = 1 Billion dollars per year saved. If you can minimize the negative impact of that cut on your budget (i.e., drop money sucking programs, keep production/sales at a status quo, etc.) then you have increased your yearly net profit. Profit = competition resource. More competition resources at your disosal = more competitive.

    If needed and done right, it's the way capitalism is supposed to work. If it's just a wall-street ploy and actually hurts other areas of their bottom line, well, poo on them.

  12. Re:Well that worked well didn't it? by rcamera · · Score: 2, Insightful

    why would people dump stock because of a layoff announcment? typically, this is seen as a way to spend less, which increases earnings per share. eps is what drives stock prices, not headcount. (fyi: intel is up ~0.9 - 1.0% on the day)

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  13. Re: your hot jobs for the next 50 years by rubycodez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the answer is, healthcare, biology, nanotech, security and disaster recovery, alternative energy and energy storage, mass transit, ubiquitous networking and communication, hedge funds, supply chain and distribution logistics, and probably not a few other fields I missed.

  14. Re:Intel's lose is another's gain? by robertjw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure they're not going to fire they're really good workers

    Actually, that may not be a good assumption. Often in engineering industries the more experienced workers are the first to be laid off. A company can hire two or three bright-eyed bushy tailed college grads for the price of one engineer with 20 years experience.

  15. Re:Wonderful by demigod · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Special bonus question: Will step 5 ever execute?


    You've got the algorithm wrong. This one is none standard.

    1. Consumers like cheap stuff
    2. Outsource manufacturing, cut wages across the board.
    3. Sell stuff a little cheaper, pocket the difference.
    4. Profit!
    5. Workers make less and want(need) even cheaper stuff
    6. Go to step 2

    The bonus question should be: When does this unsustainable model collapse?

    Just how long can the rich get richer and still sell stuff the poor who are getting poorer?

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  16. Intel: formerly great, now the US Steel of Tech by gnetwerker · · Score: 3, Insightful
    This is, as others have observed, long overdue. When Intel could maintain a dominant market share, and thus pricing power over its competition (primarily AMD), it could afford to be (or try to be) a broad-based technology company: i.e. one that invested heavily in new technologies and speculative businesses that were not necessarily on a direct path to their primary (semiconductor) products. The largest (and most wasteful) of these investments happened during Craig Barrett's regime as CEO, and it was these that were most desperate and ill-advised. These included Intel's $500m+ investment in trying to be a hosting service, its attempts to be a low-cost end-user peripheral maker, a toy manufacturer, a maker of LCoS-TV chips, and numerous other misbegotten adventures far from its core competence.

    What Intel is at heart, and will be for some time, is the world's best high-volume manufacturer of semiconductors, something that requires a far, far lower load of white-collar workers than being a broad-ranging technology company. Intel will continue to be a great producer of an important product, but only in the sense that (e.g.) US Steel was once a great producer of an important product. Intel is on the path to irrelevance as a technology force. This is why its P/E is 17x and not, for example, Google's 55x or even Microsoft's 21x. Look for it to trend upward in the short-term, but in the longer term settle toward US Steel's 8x.

    Also note that recent management changes have elevated Sean Maloney into an heir-apparent position. This signals the fin de siecle, completing the transition from an engineer/scientist leader (Andy Grove) through a manufacturing guru (Barrett), to a bean-counter (Otellini), ending with a salesman (Maloney). How the mighty have fallen.

  17. Just fire one: CEO Paul Otellini. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Link to your prediction, instead of just the story: Only the First Shoe to Drop.

    That Slashdot story linked to a Forbes story about Intel laying off 1000 managerial positions. That was an admission that Intel has been badly managed in the past. Otherwise, how could they have 1,000 managers they don't need?

    They don't need to fire thousands. They need to fire Intel CEO Paul Otellini. He has made Intel more adversarial toward its employees, and therefore less efficient. Intel employees spend a good part of their time and energy defending themselves rather than working.

    Intel CEO Paul Otellini is AMD's most productive single employee, by far.

  18. Pile of Crap. by raehl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disclaimer: I am an actual engineer.

    Middle-management is essential to getting my job done. I don't want to have to negotiate with the tool vendors on price or licenses. I don't want to have to evaluate how well people are performing. I don't want to have to find, interview, and hire new employees. I don't want to do the department budget, set the schedule, fight to get materials on time from vendors, etc, etc. And, most importantly, I don't want to have to explain what I'm doing to upper management.

    Now, some managers are definitely useless, but so are some engineers. That's not a job-level problem, that's a people problem.