Rethinking the Thinkpad

Octiaviane writes to tell us that XYZComputing has a review of Lenovo's Thinkpad X60 with a look at not only the current specs but the evolution of the Thinkpad line. From the article: "One constant which has remained throughout the evolution of the notebook computer is the Thinkpad. Processors and operating systems have changed, designs have been updated, and ownership has changed hands, but the Thinkpad remains. This product has never stopped being a top choice for demanding consumers and corporate buyers, whether they are looking for size, power, or features."

Comments

IBM Ugly

[Realistic_Dragon]

Thankfully they don't seem to have changed the apparance yet. IBM Ugly doesn't get many plaudits, but it definatly says "this is a laptop with which I could beat you to death for your stupidity and using your rubbish little Acer as a shield isn't going to help you one bit".

Re:IBM Ugly

[Threni]

> The only thing I can think of when I hear 'thinkpad' is the horrible nipple mouse they used to all
> have. Want to scroll from one side of the screen to the other? Best set aside 5 minutes!

Or simply push the nipple harder - works for me.

Re:IBM Ugly

[bubkus_jones]

I must be the only one here who prefers the "nipple" to a trackpad. I tend to have more control with it than the trackpad, and it's quicker to get to than a trackpad, as it's in the middle of the keyboard. I barely have to shift my hand to be able to control it.

Of course, half the time I use a USB mouse, but still. I'm not a fan of the trackpad style control.

Re:IBM Ugly

[hey!]

Or simply push the nipple harder - works for me.

That's correct. The thing that people who don't like the TrackPoint often don't realize is that it's force sensitive. A few hours of usage and it's way more convenient than a mouse.

The Thinkpads also come with a trackpad, which I don't use. The best pointing device I ever used was a trackpad on the old Apple Mac 540c (Blackbird). The first time I got a PC laptop with a trackpad I was amazed how a different implementation of the same idea could work so much poorly. It's amazing to refelect on the fact that that old 540c had only 4MB of RAM and a 33MHz processor, but with the exception of compiling and running a modern web broswer, it did everything I needed to do almost as well as my current laptop, a Thinkpad T42 with half a gig of memory and a processor running 30x faster.

Re:IBM Ugly

[TeknoHog]

I must be the only one here who prefers the "nipple" to a trackpad.

No, you're not the only one :)

I remember when some laptops came with trackballs, or with optional trackball add-ons. From today's perspective it's clear that you can't fit a trackball into a decently thin laptop. There were probably also cost and durability issues that led first to trackpoints (nipples) and then to trackpads. For example in my previous laptop, a Toshiba Satellite, I had to replace the rubber bit in the trackpoint every two years or so. The current IBM version with a larger, flatter nipple seems much better in this respect.

Unfortunately, the pointer is not the only deciding factor in buying laptops, so I've ended up with a trackpad in my current machine. I believe it's the most durable of the technologies with no moving parts, but it's far from practical IMHO. For example it's distracted by the palms of my hands while typing. Fortunately it's easy to disable and enable on demand (rmmod|modprobe psmouse :).

Re:IBM Ugly

[rah1420]

/me raises my hand

Our corporate IT staff refreshed us with a T42, but the software image didn't have the trackpoint wizard or whatever it's called. A few phone calls and I was able to disable the bloody thing - if you're a power typer, you will find yourself quickly losing focus from your working window as the heel of your hand exerts force on the trackpad and emulates a double-click.

My [personal] T23 doesn't have it, and they can have it when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it (well, as soon as I replace the fluorescent lamp.) It has the dreaded red tint on the screen and someday I will be annoyed enough to get it fixed, but I love it.

Bias?

[Filik]

That excerpt from the review made me not click on the link. The reviewer blatantly admits bias to the whole line of laptops instead of concentrating on reviewing the latest model...

Ouch

[Can]

That was one of the most painful articles I've read in a while. It's hard to take a review seriously when there's a typo or missing word in almost every single paragraph. It was almost like I was reading slashdot...

This is the one laptop ..

[cheros]

.. I'd use to put my jack on if I ever got stuck in a muddy field. It would survive - they are seriously robust pieces of kit. Having said that, I'm happy with my dual core VIAO now, about the only thing I miss is the keyboard LED.

At least it finally has a Windows key..

Fantastic Thinkpads, but PLEASE makeover the X!

[lonesometrainer]

I'm a road warrior and I've been using Thinkpads only since '99 and never looked back. A-series, T-series and now a Z-series thinkpad. Even though my current thinkpad is one of the first models designed and produced by Lenovo it's still a real thinkpad.

Why I love them:

[1] High mechanical quality, e.g. look at the hinges holding the display, that's solid metal! My last one, a T41p looked like brand new after 18 months and I used it every day for at least 8 hours, look at a typical Sony/Dell/HP after that timeframe!
[2] best keyboard in the industry, actually I even prefer my Thinkpad keyboard over Cherry keyboards
[3] the thinkpad light above the display (I love it), the docking solutions are very advanced, support is great

I personally don't care whether it has the latest GPU, fastest harddrive, etc. - and - I'm not gonna buy a glossy screen either.

BUT _please_ give me a new thinkpad X-series tablet! I absolutely need a higher resolution than 1024x768. I would immediately (tomorrow morning, before breakfast and shower) buy a X61s tablet with resolution > 1024x768, core 2 duo and 3rd generation mobile data service (e.g. HSDPA).

But, as far as I know, it's not gonna happen. The x60/x61 tablet will still have 1024x768 :-(

Imagine if Microsoft could re-think it

[Centurix]

They'd make a 16 bit version and call it a Thunkpad.

I have been impressed

[Mostly a lurker]

Thus far, I have been very happy with what I have seen of Lenovo's actions. The newer Thinkpad models are better specified, a little cheaper and the warranty conditions have improved. I am actually more likely to buy Thinkpads now than when IBM was running the show.

Re:The perfect laptop

[Zarhan]

I guess what I'm getting at is that I'd be more then willing to sacrifice performance for durability. Am I the only one who thinks this way? Or are there laptop manufacturers out there who make decent, cheap machines that are built like tanks, but don't necessarily have a higher end hardware inside?

    Cheap, not. But you can try Panasonic Toughbook or even beyond, check out Itronix.

Re:Stubborn to the end...

[Sepodati]

You should teach the idiots how to use the TrackPoint correctly, then. You only need one hand. Index finger is on the TrackPoint and the thumb is on the buttons. You can press any of the three buttons with your thumb and it's easy to hold them down while you're dragging something. The contours on the buttons make it real easy to press, too, not like the sunken buttons on the Dells.

The first thing I did on my Thinkpads was disable the horrible trackpad thing.

---John Holmes...

ThinkPads no more

[bfwebster]

I've also been a dedicated ThinkPad user since 2000 or so. I've owned three, all X-series to cut down on the weight of dragging my laptop around and to allow me to actually get work done in coach class. However, unlike some of the other posters here, I have had some mechanical problems with the ThinkPads; I've had to replace keyboards on two of them, the screen hinges on my current one (#3, have had it 2-3 years at least) are loosening, and the screen frame itself has popped a rivet. Beyond that, I have found in the last year or two that more and more when I travel on business that what I really need is a portable desktop system, i.e., lots of memory, lots of disk space, lots of processor power, and a large screen. This, of course, is mostly the antithesis of the ThinkPad X series. Beyond that, I've just been a little bit leery of how well quality has been maintained in the IBM -> Lenovo transition.

I did buy such a "portable desktop" laptop this week: a Fujitsu Lifebook N6410. Dual core T2400 @ 1.83 GHz, 2GB RAM (upgraded myself from 512KB), 80 GB hard drive + second hard drive bay (uses SATA laptop drives; be warned that it doesn't come with the bracing frame for the 2nd hard drive; I'm still working on that), full size keyboard + numeric pad, 17" display, stereo speakers + subwoofer, 256MB nVidia graphics (128MB dedicated/128MB shared), lots of ports, DVD-write drive, etc. Size of a boat anchor, weighs a ton, only lasts about 2 hours on battery, so it's definitely not my light, lithe ThinkPad X41, but it's right up there with all my desktop systems, and it's definitely easier than packing one of my Shuttles + a flat screen in a suitcase (which I've done before).

I'll see after a few trips whether and how much I miss my ThinkPad.

By the way, if you're looking at high-end laptops like this, avoid the Toshiba Satellite P105. I bought one earlier this week from Best Buy (the P105-S9312, w/2GB of RAM and a 200 GB hard drive), got it home, and promptly ran into problems: slow, flaky performance, occasional kernel faults, etc. I let it run all night and in the morning found it had powered itself down. When I powered it up, it went through three different kernel faults during bootup, rebooting each time, then finally got itself into WinXP--only to start reporting problems with previously working software. I tried four (4) times to do a system restore using the system restore disc--and had it fail each time. When I took it back to Best Buy to get my money back, I found that someone else had come in that same morning to exchange the same model. Not a good sign of high quality assurance. YMMV. ..bruce..