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You Have Been 'Randomly' Selected?

dpbsmith asks: "One thing I've noticed is that the people who are told by the TSA that they have been 'randomly' selected for baggage inspection have a tendency not to believe it. I know one couple whose wife has been 'randomly' selected four times, while the husband never has been. The wife believes that it is because each of those times, she was traveling by herself, without checked baggage, (whereas she has never been inspected when traveling with her husband with checked baggage). In 'Uncommon Carriers', John McPhee accompanied a truck driver to write about the experience, and bought a trucker's cap to blend in. He says 'I would pay for my freedom at the Seattle-Tacoma airport when, with a one-way ticket bought the previous day, I would arrive to check in my baggage.' His baggage was 'randomly' selected for inspection, and later he was 'once again "randomly selected" for a shoes-off, belt-rolled, head-to-toe frisk.' So, what about it? Is the TSA simply flat-out lying when they tell you that you have been 'randomly selected?'" The better question to ask is: "Are random searches effective in keeping everyone safe?"

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  1. Profiling is worse than random searches. by Ckwop · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The better question to ask is: "Are random searches effective in keeping everyone safe?"

    There's two seperate questions here:

    • Are random searches effective, full stop?
    • Are random searches better than profile-driven searches?

    If 'enough' random searches are done then I expect they would be effective. Clearly, it is unresonable to search everybody so it's a trade-off between cost, time and hastle. The exact number of searches you conduct will depend precisely on how you way up these trade-offs. It will also depend on how much training your provide to the people conducting the searches.

    I believe that profile-driven searches are flawed. The flaw is that the attacker can always avoid the profile you're trying to detect. For example, if I profile for young Muslim men with turbans the attacker can simply pick disaffected white middle-class women. Sure, such people are hard to come by but it is fool-hardy to suggest that they do not exist.

    Profiling by race and religion flies in the face of everything we've struggled to achieve in the last century. I think it was Martin Luther King who said:

    I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

    Those words transcend race, religion and colour. We should not judge because a man reads the Koran any more than we should judge because he is Black. Muslims are not terrorists. To quote another great mind, master Yoda:

    Fear is the path of the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.

    There's already a dark cloud gathering. The question is how dark can it get?

    Simon.

    1. Re:Profiling is worse than random searches. by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      All terrorists have been muslims? So the Unabomber was Muslim? Timmothy McVeigh is Muslim? THe IRA are all Muslim? Those right wing christian orgs who blow up abortion sites are muslims in disguise? The Shining Path is Muslim?

      Welcome to the real real world- muslim terrorists are a small portion of all terrorists. By targetting muslims you actually reduce our security in two ways. First, you'll completely miss the non-muslim terrorists. Secondly, you give them an easy way to sneak through- hire or trick someone who isn't muslim (or does not look muslim) to do the work for them. So not only are you a bigot, you're actively comprimising the safety of the country.

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    2. Re:Profiling is worse than random searches. by cozziewozzie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Ahh, but so far all the terrorists have been Muslim.

      ETA. IRA. Ulster Unionists. Tamil Tigers. Aum Shinrikyo. RAF. Clinic bombers. Unabomber. Hate groups like Nazis attacking immigrants in some parts of Europe. KKK. FARC. Jewish Defense League.

      That's just off the top of my head.

      I think that you have a reality distortion field. It's common among racist idiots.

    3. Re:Profiling is worse than random searches. by drsmithy · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I believe that profile-driven searches are flawed. The flaw is that the attacker can always avoid the profile you're trying to detect. For example, if I profile for young Muslim men with turbans the attacker can simply pick disaffected white middle-class women.

      "Profiling" - for security reasons - is generally not performed on anything close to the level of simplicity most people criticising it think it is.

      "Profiling" - performed properly - helps by directing scarce resources where they are most likely to produce a positive result.

      Suggesting that a young single woman flying out of Sweden with a round-the-world ticket is equally as likely to hijack/destroy the plane as a group of young single "middle eastern" men with one-way tickets flyng out of Saudi Arabia, is letting your idealistic bleeding-heart-leftist-stupidity get in the way of common sense.

      Not to mention, *everyone* "profiles", every day, all the time. It's impossible (not to mention stupid) not to. Some people just can't admit to it.

      Those words transcend race, religion and colour. We should not judge because a man reads the Koran any more than we should judge because he is Black. Muslims are not terrorists.

      Selecting *solely* because of skin colour I can certainly agree with, because it is both a) out of a person's control and b) utterly irrelevant to how a person behaves.

      However, the same cannot be said of religion.

      How a person behaves is strongly influenced by their culture. Unfortunately, in many parts of the world, intolerant and short-sighted religious beliefs are a significant contributor to culture.

      Skin colour (more accurately, ethnicity) is not. However, there are many areas in the world where ethnicity and culture are strongly correlated. To ignore this - or, even worse, actively deny it - is folly.

    4. Re:Profiling is worse than random searches. by darkmeridian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude. Three names: Timothy McVeigh, Theodore Kaczynski, and Richard Reed. Three terrorists who would not set off your criteria. More than just bleeding heart liberalism here, just common sense. Islam is a religion, not a race or ethnicity. You start looking for brown Muslims, and they'll start sending white ones. (Remember the white guy in the Al Qaeda video released around Election Day, 2004?) If we're going to bother to make a secure system, we might as well go through the trouble of making it work for real.

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  2. TSA = wrongheadedness gone wild by drDugan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The whole mentality behind searching people to get on a airplane promotes false security. We can't even stop weapons in our prisons, and we will NEVER be able to stop deadly weapons on airplanes.

    What we need to do is come to the realization that the ONLY way to make technically fragile public transit work is to promote an atmosphere where people do not want to attack us, instead of trying to prevent the few who do from being able to. "They" will always be able to, especially with increasingly cheap and effective technology.

    1. Re:TSA = wrongheadedness gone wild by spike2131 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Namibia
      Nauru
      Nepal
      Netherlands Antilles
      New Caledonia
      New Zealand
      Nicaragua
      North Korea
      Northern Mariana Islands
      Norway

      Those are just the N's...

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  3. Re:Appeasement = wrongheadedness gone wild by Jeremi · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This whole "I'd like to teach the world to sing... in perfect harmony" mentality is the kind of thing that will get us killed.


    You're absolutely right, not protecting ourselves against known threats would be suicidal.


    On the other hand, doing provocative, stupid things that are guaranteed to turn otherwise friendly or neutral people into our enemies is equally suicidal.


    The whole "fuck what everybody thinks, we'll keep ourselves secure through military force alone" mentality is based on the assumption that we have the physical ability to do so. The hard truth, however, is that that simply isn't the case -- our military can barely keep the lid on Iraq, let alone any of the other 3-4 dozen countries where terrorism is a concern. Our only option is to enlist the aid of the rest of the world's governments and people in helping us stop terrorism. The good news is that that shouldn't be too difficult to do -- almost nobody likes terrorists. But to work with people (or governments), you have to treat them with respect -- in particular, you have to understand that it's a two-way street. Double-standards do not go unnoticed by the world's public.

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