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Canadian Copyright Group Seeks To License the Net

An anonymous reader writes "A new Toronto Star article from Michael Geist not only describes why Canadian Ministers of Education are pushing a copyright proposal that will harm Internet access, but also reveals how a copyright group is seeking to create a new license for Internet content. Access Copyright, a copyright collective, wants to use a new international text standard to license everything from books to blogs. Geist outlines in his blog how Canadians can fight back against these bonehead proposals."

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  1. Oh I get it... by Audent · · Score: 5, Funny

    the interwebs are just a series of tubes, right...?

    There should be a test for politicians about the internet. It should involve:

    knowing the difference between the internet and the web;
    being able to explain why censoring the web is difficult if not impossible;
    why ISPs aren't liable for the content they host;
    and some other stuff.

    Actually, there should be an easier test - if you want to be a politician you should be BANNED FROM EVERY BECOMING ONE by law.

    Yeah.

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    1. Re:Oh I get it... by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Funny

      ``There should be a test for politicians about the internet. It should involve:

      knowing the difference between the internet and the web;
      being able to explain why censoring the web is difficult if not impossible;
      why ISPs aren't liable for the content they host;
      and some other stuff.''

      Right. The politicians have been brainwashing us long enough. It's time for us to start doing it to them!

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    2. Re:Oh I get it... by TheGhostOfDerrida · · Score: 2, Funny

      "The politicians have been brainwashing us long enough. It's time for us to start doing it to them!"
      Are you wearing red tights? because you just became my hero...

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    3. Re:Oh I get it... by arose · · Score: 2, Informative
      A series of tubes _is_ an acceptable analogy. No, it's not an _exceptionally good_ analogy (literally speaking), but it is certainly not below average.
      Except that when you download a "WHOLE BOOK!" my tube doesn't get clogged because I'm on the other side of the planet--a network of tubes is very different from a series of tubes. Aside from that I'd like to think that /.ers use "tubes" as a reference to the general stupidity of the tubes speech, not just the tubes analogy.
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    4. Re:Oh I get it... by mr_mischief · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Even the politician at which you people are poking fun called it a "a series of tubes".

      Seeing circuits as tubes, routers as pressure balance valves, firewalls as filters, certain types of DoS attacks as plugging a tube, and dropping packets as a leaky tube all are sensible enough extensions of a "fat pipe" metaphor.

      Just get over yourselves, people. Just because someone knows a better metaphor for something doesn't mean he knows any more how that thing actually works. It also doesn't make him any smarter or overall any more knowledgeable about the world as a whole than the guy who doesn't know the exact right metaphor to use.

      Knowing one thing more than one other person about one topic only proves that you know one more thing about one topic than one other person.

      If your biggest thrill in life is to one-up the technical knowledge (on one topic!) of a guy in a non-technical field who's thirty to sixty years older than you, then go ahead and feel superior. While you're at it, donate your sexual organs to science or medicine so someone gets some use out of them. Maybe that way you can brag about something more notable than, "3y3 NOS3 MOR3 THUN THA 0LD GUY B0wT THA INTARW3B! 3y3 AM A L33T!!!1"

  2. Re:Where's frist post by KDR_11k · · Score: 3, Informative

    What do you expect, with that kind of confusing headline and summary you have to RTFA just to get WTF they're trying to say. I mean, "license everything"? What's that supposed to mean, they claim ownership of every random thing on the internet?

    Turns out the article says the ministry of education wants to allow schools to use all material available on the internet and be exempt from copyright that way. Guess someone didn't think about warez there.

    The copyright group in question wants to offer content providers the option to use some kind of license for their stuff. Strikes me as idiotic since you can attach any license you like to your content without their help...

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  3. Mwaha! by omeg · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Gee, Brain, what do you want to do tonight?"

    "The same thing we do every night, Pinky: Try to license the internet!"

    1. Re:Mwaha! by zoomshorts · · Score: 2, Funny

      Right after we invade Canada to assure them the same freedoms we Americans 'enjoy'?

  4. Copyright is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Copyright laws are nothing more than a tool of the ruling class to keep freedom and autonomy away from the people. The stifling blockade of draconian laws behind which which the free transmission of ideas is presently locked down is one of the more noxious devices by which the capitalist system perverts human society.

    It is only the alienatied status of the modern worker that perpetuates the oppressive regime of copyright. The oppression of the ruling class that keeps workers in a constant state of anxiety, always burdened by financial worries, like Dickensian children chained to their machines, is what prevents creative workers from sharing their ideas freely, for the benefit of all.

    For society to be free from the constricting bonds of copyright, it will be necessary to strike at the heart of the capitalist system itself. Only when the lies and distortions of the ruling class are confronted and rejected, only when workers are in control of the means of production, their efforts at last engaged, harmonious, and justly compensated, only then will we see a world where all people are free to share, copy, and most of all create those products of the marvellous human imagination that promote, in that golden phrase, "promote the progress of science and useful arts."

    Until then, there's always usenet.

    1. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by hotdiggity · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I've read this comment four times and still can't decide whether the poster is being ironic. My guess is yes, but then why are people modding it as interesting as opposed to funny? For the record, forgetting about the issues of DRM and stupid software patents, copyright by and large is good for code protection, protecting textbooks which take serious effort to develop, and so on. We can't force everyone to give ideas away. Some people may actually want to negotiate the compensation for their efforts if they specify the right to do so at the time of publication. This silly push by the Canadian government, if true, clearly crosses that line.

      Having said that, I'm pretty sure the Marxist post was ironic. In which case: hilarious! Rise up, ye proleteriat, and seize your rightful means of production! With your help we will recreate the glorious days of the Soviet Union, which only needed a few more years to shake the bugs out and acheive political perfection.

    2. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by bky1701 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because something is meant to be ironic doesn't mean it can't end up being right. This is one of those cass irony backfired.

    3. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by ElleyKitten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Gosh, and I thought it was part of the mechanism that allows me to charge for the stuff I write (e.g. http://www.examulator.com/tamer/ ) Nice to know that I'm a member of the ruling classes though. No, you could still easily charge for stuff without copyright. Bookstores still charge for Shakespeare books, even though there's no copyright on that. What copyright does is prevent other publishers from taking your work and selling it without your permission or giving you any money. Shakespeare, being dead, doesn't mind, but you might.

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    4. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For 200 years. Most works only last 10 years. So for 190 years no one is making money because no one can sell it. That's just wrong.

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    5. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Copyright laws are nothing more than a tool of the ruling class to keep freedom and autonomy away from the people.

      [...]

      For society to be free from the constricting bonds of copyright, it will be necessary to strike at the heart of the capitalist system itself.

      Help! Help! I'm being repressed! See the violence inherit in the system! See the violence inherit in the system!

      I'm not sure how this post got marked+4 Interesting, but it really smells of disillusioned communism. Copyright (and patents) were invented so that creators could have a period of time where their creations would be protected so that they get a monetary return on their creativity. The fact that they've been high-jacked by certain institutions is a side issue to their original intent.

    6. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by orasio · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We can't force everyone to give ideas away. Some people may actually want to negotiate the compensation for their efforts if they specify the right to do so at the time of publication.


      You have the wrong idea on the subject.
      Abolishing copyright would not be forcing anyone to do anything.
      Copyright has the intent of giving an incentive for people to give their works away (not their ideas, ideas are supposed to be free). When you release a copyrighted work, you are giving it to the public domain in that act. In exchange, you get a long monopoly on distribution from your government, but in the end, after you die, everyone should win, because the public domain will be one work wealthier.

      Copyright tries to incentivate people to share, and forces everyone else to respect an artifical monopoly, in an effort to expand the public domain, and improve the pool of works available to everyone. It's just not working ok right now. Copyrights are too extended in time, right now they are virtually endless, and the public doesn't actually benefit from them.

      I don't think we should be granting distribution privileges to authors anymore.

      This is not the same as forcing them to give their works away, they can keep them to themselves, or ask for money in advance to release them (like the Blender project GPL release), but I don't think the public is getting anything from paying for distribution privileges to authors that are actually not giving anything back anymore to the public for their efforts in protecting their monopolies.

    7. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by ElleyKitten · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Could you give an example of such a work? If it has gone out of copyright why would you need permission?
      We're talking about things that haven't gone out of copyright.
      Can you give an example of a juristiction where copyright is valid for 200 years.
      200 years was a little bit of hyperbole, but in the United States, copyright lasts for 70 years after the author's death (and possibly indefinately if the author is Walt Disney). So, in 150 years, if someone finds your book and wishes to distribute it (as part of something on historical computing? I don't know.), they would need to figure out when you died (which might be a problem - how many Marcus Greens are there?) and if it was less than 70 years ago, they will need to track down your decedents and ask them who has the copyright. Maybe you have no decendents, maybe they can't be found, maybe they just don't know who has the copyright. Then your book is not allowed to be copied, by anyone. By the time it is out of copyright, all copies could be gone. Maybe that's not so important for a Java book, but it's kinda said that's happening to all of the movies made in the first decades of the media. We're losing a lot of culture to excessive copyright terms, and that's not a good thing.
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    8. Re:Copyright is a crime against humanity by Marcus+Green · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It seems you are not arguing against copyright per-se (which was the position of the original post) but against the length of copyright and possibly the extension of copyright after the death of the author. Seems like a very reasonable argument to me, and I agree. If the purpose of copyright is to encourage creativity by awarding a temporary monopoly on the control of reproduction, I cannot see how I will be encourage to be creative once I am dead.

  5. At last... by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...a good example of the exception that proves the rule!

    "Second, the implication of the exception is that using publicly available Internet materials is not permitted unless one has prior authorization or qualifies for the exception. This suggests that millions of Canadians outside the education system who use Internet-based materials are somehow violating the law."

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  6. Scoop is sort of confusing by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 5, Informative

    This didn't become clear to me from the title or the scoop, but according to TFA, there are _two_ proposals; one by the Council of Ministers of Education of Canada that argues for an exception to copyright law that would allow schools to use online materials, and one by Access Copyright that aims to introduce a new licensing scheme for online content; basically, anyone can register works with AC, and AC can then license these to everybody.

    TFA then goes on to say that ACs proposal is definitely bad, but, contrary to what the scoop suggests, TFA is mainly about the CMEC proposal. What it says is that educational use of online materials is already permitted under current copyright law, and introducing an "exception" that specifically allows it is going to have the negative consequence of making it seem that other uses are not allowed (e.g. fair use at home).

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    1. Re:Scoop is sort of confusing by Alsee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yep. Even the "better" of the two legislative proposals is a politics-style fair and balanced compromise. A compromise deal that recognizes both sides in the issue, and gives something to each side in the issue. Specifically:
      "Your half of the law will officially granting you part of what the courts have stated you already have, and in exchange our half of the law will grant us a half the stuff we want and can't get because legislators are listening to your complaints."

      A fair and balanced compromise. Both sides get something. And it makes it ok to ignore complaints against it because in a compromise both sides are supposed to be unhappy and complain. Anyone still complaining about it is being unreasonable and greedy and unwilling to compromise.

      This is exactly how the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act (AHRA) and the DMCA got passed in the US. Most people here are at least basically familiar with the DMCA, but few people have ever heard of the AHRA. One side of the AHRA granted the public a copyright exemption and protection for home recording and granted manufacturers a copyright exemption and protection against being sued for contributory infringment. Of course no one in the public had ever been sued for infringment for home recording and had no need of protection and home recording is clearly Fair Use and a "copyright exemption" "granting" something that is already Fair use is entirely redundant and worthless. And the Betamax ruling had just come out explicitly stated ing that manufacturers needed no exemption from contributory infringment simply for manufacturing a product that can record. And as a compromise for granting all of that, the RIAA got their half of the law imposing a specific DRM scheme (Serial copy management system - SCMS) in all new home digital audio recording devices. Oh wait, I almost forgot... the AHRA also imposses a signifigant TAX on all covered audio devices and all covered recording media (50% to be distributed to writers and 50% to be distributed to publishers), and this tax is imposed "in exchange" for "granting" the public home recording rights that they already had. Based on a quick Amazon.com search, this AHRA imposed media tax changes the price of a Memorex 52x Data CD-R Media 50-Pack Spindle from $6.40 into $16.45 for a Memorex 40x Music CD-R Media (50-Pack Spindle). AHRA "aduio" CDRs are taxed to be more than 2.5 times the price of a normal CDR. And "data" CDRs are forbidden to work in AHRA covered devices, devices with their own AHRA hardware tax.

      And what was the effect of the Audio Home Recording Act? It EXTERMINATED all new products and all new technology and all innovation in consumer audio for a decade.

      The new product and technology that prompted the AHRA was Digital Audio Tap (DAT). Most of you have probably never heard of DAT. DAT was basically an ordinary audio cassette tape with all of the quality and benefits of digital CDs. Back in 1992 DAT was hot new technology. The audiophile community was eager to get their hands on this new product and it was anticipated to become a mass market hit. But then the audiophile community started baying a few of these DRM crippled devices. They started recording themselves and their own bands. And then they discoved that the devices would not let them copy their own tapes. That they were in fact the copyright holder on these band recordings, and these crippled devices would not allow them to copy their own work - all in the name of preventing "copyright infringment". So the audiophile community was furious and despised the products. And the general consumer market rejected the products as well, and they totally flopped. Which is why most of you never heard of DAT.

      And then the recordable minidisk was developed. A fully recordable CD, and a perfect pocket size 2.5 inches in size. Again, an amazing new technology and product that should have been a HUGE market success. And again, a technology and product that was DRM crippled by the AHRA and thus exterminated by the AHRA. A

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  7. Re:proof by denim · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...Proving yet again, that this battle over "copyright" is nothing of the sort. It's a battle over control, and a losing battle at that.

    Isn't that much of what politics is about?

    I really think this is likely to disappear again without a trace once people explain to the supporters of this measure just what the effect will be. The article seems to do a very good job of that.

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  8. Can you say RIAA? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTFA:

    ``Moreover, it is far better than a counter-proposal from Access Copyright that seeks to develop a new licensing system for the use of Internet-based content. According to documents obtained under the Access to Information Act, the copyright collective has asked the Ministry of Canadian Heritage for funding to become the Canadian collective for a new international standard that can be used to register any "textual work" from books to blogs. Armed with a collection of "registered" online text, Access Copyright will be positioned to create a new license for the use of Internet content.''

    So, AC wants you to register your work with them, so that they can then license it to everybody? That's what the record labels do, right?

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  9. Re:Where's frist post by Andrew+Kismet · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think most Slashdotters live, breathe, browse and sleep in the same place - one cannot "retire" to your mother's basement if you never leave it. :3

  10. Re:Ashamed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've never been more ashamed to be a Canadian right now.

    Really? Two words for you: Celine Dion.

  11. Re:The problem with politicians... by zIRtrON · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You bring up a very good point. The democratic process was "invented" before soul-less and perpetual entities like corporations existed. Whether you are aware or not, Syndicalism is something that could/should/would make things a little fairer if they could be worked into the current "democratic" process.

    Perhaps something like a 2nd vote. One for your moral values and one for your social values (through your work). Of course this would give more power to the people. Something to do with balance yada yada...