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Apple Movie Store Only Serving Disney Films?

Alex Romanelli, Variety writes "Variety has the scoop on Apple and Amazon's forthcoming movie download services. Apple's will launch with only Disney as a partner. Amazon will have most, and possibly all, of the major studios on board. The reason comes down to price, insiders said. Amazon.com will launch its movie download service later this week, numerous sources confirmed, while Apple will start selling films on Tuesday as part of iTunes."

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  1. Misleading headline, and more info by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First of all, the Vareity article (which doesn't necessarily know anything for certain) says:

    "The only studio that will definitely [emphasis added] be part of Apple's movie store at launch is Disney.

    So that still doesn't preclude other studios being on board at the time of launch. Even so, it still goes on to say:

    "Other studios will likely join iTunes in the next year."

    Further:

    "The reason Amazon will have content from most major studios, while Apple may have only one, comes down to price, insiders said. Because it also sells DVDs, Amazon has agreed to studio demands that digital wholesale prices not undercut those of DVDs. [emphasis added] As a result, Amazon.com's digital download prices are expected to range from $9.99 to $19.99 -- about the same as those for other online retailers such as CinemaNow, Movielink and AOL.

    Initially, Apple was pushing to sell all films for $9.99, just as it sells songs for a flat price of 99 and all TV shows for $1.99. But due to studio pressure, it will launch with two price points: $9.99 for library titles, $14.99 for new pics in the DVD window."


    Not only is this the same type of behavior we saw to a certain extent with iTunes in the context of music, and moreso with television programming, I'm quite glad that Apple is pressuring the industry on the price issue, similar to the way they took a significant part in pressuring MPEG LA for reasonable licensing terms, which made the MPEG-4 family of protocols, including H.264/MPEG-4 Part 10, actually usable by normal people for content creation, broadcasting, and playback without the encumbrances of royalties and per-use/per-time fees that would have all but killed MPEG-4 and H.264 on anything but OEM devices and commercial broadcast services.

    Then there's the question of usability: the same thing that has made the iTunes universe so attractive to users is still there as it has transitioned to video. It's not just a simple "download a media file and do with it what you will" service (though it can be treated as such; note I'm not talking about this in the context of DRM, I'm speaking in terms of the process via which you download something and play it) - it's a completely integrated system that normal people can actually use that has a pleasant user experience. With things like Front Row now shipping on all of Apple's systems, they've created an end-to-end solution that actually makes viewing, using, or listening to the content a tightly integrated experience that "just works". The turnkey nature of iTunes/iPod/Front Row has been one of the key reasons for its continuing success.

    1. Re:Misleading headline, and more info by cptgrudge · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (though it can be treated as such; note I'm not talking about this in the context of DRM, I'm speaking in terms of the process via which you download something and play it)

      I haven't looked into these services recently, but it does intrigue me. Will the DRM that holds the files down enable me to put the video file on my 2 TB storage server in the basement and stream it to my media player of choice? Because if not, this is useless to me. With the advent of large hard disk capacity, and now digital distribution, we certainly have the ability. But I don't want to watch movies on my PC, and getting a dedicated Media Center PC is ridiculous. I want to be able to watch it on any of the three TVs in my house. And why would I get a digital download that costs the same as a normal DVD just so I can have the "convenience" of watching a movie on my PC (and little screened iPod Video)?

      The cost of fuel notwithstanding, why don't I just buy the physical DVD (or get it shipped to me), and get the video file myself? I realize it's a convenience thing, non-tech users can't do it, etc. But really, how hard is it to install some software and follow some short instructions? I'd bet that even non-tech users would be willing to follow the process if they can get additional value out of something they own with relatively minor frustration.

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    2. Re:Misleading headline, and more info by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't looked into these services recently, but it does intrigue me. Will the DRM that holds the files down enable me to put the video file on my 2 TB storage server in the basement and stream it to my media player of choice?

      Perhaps.

      If your "choice" happens to coincide with QuickTime, iTunes, or an iPod for playback when using the Apple store, or a Windows Media-compatible playback solution if using one of the Windows Media DRM stores.

      But you can certainly put the files physically on any type of NAS or SAN or storage server or whatever storage device you see fit.

      There are of course various tools for stripping the DRM from iTunes DRM (FairPlay) and Windows Media DRM encumbered files.

      The cost of fuel notwithstanding, why don't I just buy the physical DVD (or get it shipped to me), and get the video file myself?

      Well, if it's that important to you that it be completely DRM-free in the context of your own entertainment equipment and uses, future applications, etc., then sure - get the DVD and rip the video. The problem is that this is technically "illegal" in certain jurisdictions, and that a great many people will think it's "too complicated". If you're talking about it from a purely technical point of view, someone like yourself probably should just buy and rip the DVD.

      I realize it's a convenience thing, non-tech users can't do it, etc.

      That's the key: Convenience. Impulse. (Almost-)instant gratification. Total vertical integration. In the context of Apple's iTunes store, it "just works".

      You hit the nail on the head.

      But really, how hard is it to install some software and follow some short instructions? I'd bet that even non-tech users would be willing to follow the process if they can get additional value out of something they own with relatively minor frustration.

      You might think that, but it's simply not true. They're not going to be downloading DVD ripping tools and uploading video files to their 2TB in-house media server and then setting up MythTV on their new Linux media center. They're going to get a Mac mini, hook its DVI connector up to their HDTV, click on the movie poster in iTunes, click "Download" automatically charging their credit card $9.99, and then plop down on their couch and watch it with the nice little remote control. All without having to know how to do anything, and trust me: that's how the majority of people want things.

    3. Re:Misleading headline, and more info by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Can't you help them set up the options? After that's set, there's minimal clicks to getting the rip started anyhow.
      It's still pretty hard to beat iTunes's default behavior of "insert disc, iTunes connects automatically to CDDB, automatically rips the files in AAC@128kbps (without any DRM), automatically adds the files to your music library, automatically ejects the CD then plays a warning sound to tell you it's done."

  2. Price is important by soft_guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    DVDs are pretty cheap these days. If this service is not cheaper than a DVD, I wouldn't use it. This is why I think Amazon's service might not be all that popular. Can I burn it to a DVD? No, I'm probably just buying lower quality, DRM files that take forever to download - and its MORE than a DVD. No way.

    I'll probably try Apple's service. Wiht their TV shows on iTunes, the problem has been lack of variety. That will apparently continue to be a problem with films on this service.

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  3. No story here... by rahrens · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Steve's on the Disney Board! This isn't a real surprise, give the stories about Hollywood's unhappiness over Apple's insistance on a single price for all movies, according to recent stories all over the Mac press.

    Let Disney show 'em it works, then they'll fall all over themselves to join in, just like the music folks did...

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  4. Amazon's store will be DOA by Jarnis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Full price of DVD, except you don't get the box nor the DVD (and most likely none of the DVD extra features), and you can't even burn the DVD from the DRM-infected file you spent ages to download.

    Sure, this is going to be a HUGE hit.

    Not.

    To be fair, I don't think Apple's pricing is going to work either.

    1. Re:Amazon's store will be DOA by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Why couldn't you get the DVD extras? Surely if you're downloading a DVD you can download the extras too.

      There's a huge difference between $9.99 (which I think is doable for many customers) and $15.99 (for which I think people will keep going to the DVD store). So if any online movie download store succeeds, it will be Apple's.

      However, I can't help but notice that there are a lot of titles at my local DVD store for $6.99 or thereabouts. I don't know if this will be as lucerative a venture as music, especially since you tend to listen to music a lot but only view movies once or twice. Rental may well still be the best movie model for most people.

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  5. So, iTunes to carry Disney only by thewiz · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a store of music
    A store of tunes
    It's a store of lyrics
    And a store of videos
    There's so much that we share
    On Peer-to-Peer, we swear
    It's a small store after all

    There is just one Apple
    And one golden iTunes
    And a smile means
    Profits for ev'ryone
    Though the Disney divides
    And their pockets are wide
    It's a small store after all

    It's a small store after all
    It's a small store after all
    It's a small store after all
    It's a small, small store

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    1. Re:So, iTunes to carry Disney only by TopShelf · · Score: 4, Funny

      For those of us who are parents, the notion of downloading a Disney movie that you couldn't burn to disc is damn near worthless. Why do you think we have DVD players in our minivans?

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  6. Re:iTunes Music Store name by rgbscan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just switch the "M" from music to media. Problem solved. Same catchy acronym and everything :-)

  7. $9.99 and up? by dougman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FTFA: "Because it also sells DVDs, Amazon has agreed to studio demands that digital wholesale prices not undercut those of DVDs. As a result, Amazon.com's digital download prices are expected to range from $9.99 to $19.99..."

    "Initially, Apple was pushing to sell all films for $9.99, just as it sells songs for a flat price of 99 and all TV shows for $1.99. But due to studio pressure, it will launch with two price points: $9.99 for library titles, $14.99 for new pics in the DVD window."

    Neither of these companies will get my business. Why the hell would I pay retail for a download when I can have it in a day or two on physical media with a case and an insert? $4.99, maybe - after all that would compete with "buying" a new release on DirecTV which I can save on my Tivo. This one I really don't get.

    I still don't purchase (complete) CD's online - I'll take the packaging. Individual songs make sense since I might only care for a couple tracks on a disc. I've never had the desire to download specific chapters of a DVD. Music downloads are a whole different thing than video. Oh well, I hope the market takes care of this.

    1. Re:$9.99 and up? by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interesting. Amazon lists over 6,000 DVDs under $7.49. Sure, some of them you've never heard of, but will we see Dark City for $5.99? Superman for $6.99? Fargo for $7.99?

      Wal-Mart has bins for titles at $5.50 and I've seen sales on titles as low as $3.50.

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  8. Here's an Idea for Amazon by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Although I wouldn't consider a DRM'ed movie on its own, I'd consider a packaged deal where I get the DVD in the mail, but in the mean time can download the DRM protected movie immediately (and obviously I'd be willing to pay slightly more than the typical DVD). This would benefit Amazon because I'd be willing to pay more to be able to view the movie sooner. This will benefit the studios because in addition to the higher price, I'm less likely to rip the DVD into a DRM free file since I already have a soft copy on my PC. This would benefit me because I'm an American and like instant gratification. The band Pearl Jam basically did this for live shows on their 2003 tour. You could buy MP3's of the show roughly within 24 hours, and they would mail you an audio CD (acutally most shows were two CD's, some three) of the show in a couple weeks. For fans this was great, and although I don't foresee the movie studio's allowing a non-DRM format for video, I'd still be a heck of a lot more motivated to buy a downloadable movie if I knew I'd be eventually receiving a full DVD copy.

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  9. Movie downloads are horribly overpriced! by Zanth_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A typical movie, if compressed by half, will fit on a standard 4.5 GB DVD (unit cost $.10 without case). Immediately we see that the cost is greater than purchasing the real thing and the quality is much less, not only in terms of picture quality, but also in terms of packaging etc.

    So far, this is not much different from music right? True. However! Many ISP's cap the downloads to 100 GB's/month if not less. Few spots in the US and Canada don't have capped downloads, where the iTunes store will first be releasing the movies. This means, that for those that want to buy a good amount DVD's they will have to pay a premium once they surpass their download limit. My ISP charges $1/GB over my 100 GB limit..or I can opt to get throttled down to dial-up speeds. Convenient...

    Regardless, the cost of entry is simply not on par with downloading music wherein one does not have to wait hours for the download (usually) one has near immediate gratification. As well, with the plethora of DAP products, folks don't necessarily require (or rather desire) the jewel case, cover art, liner notes etc. Yet, with DVD's the vast majority WILL be ripping to a DVD and playing in their home unit watching on their TV, not on some tiny screen on a DAP.

    With prices in the $10-20 range, only the diehards will go for this, or those with massive uncapped pipes (like sysadmins at a corp or university). Drop the cost to $5 and people will be far more eager to wait for the downloads, take their chances with their ISP quirks because $5 for the new Pirate of the Carribean movie is going to be far cheaper than the 15-20 they'll pay at Best Buy for the first month of its release.

  10. What about the public library by ChrisA90278 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The best option for me is the local public library. They offer DVDs for free. Hard to beat free. I can reserve them on-line then walk in and the DVD is tagged with my name on it and setting on a self up by the checkout counter.

  11. Re:iTunes Music Store name by mamer-retrogamer · · Score: 4, Funny

    iTubes Media Store.

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  12. LionsGate announced last month by Warlock7 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    LionsGate announced in August that they'd be part of the new movie store. So, why does Variety appear to be reporting otherwise?