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Microsoft's High School Opens in PA

Joopndufus writes to mention a CNN article about a Microsoft-planned high school, newly opened in the Philadelphia area. Funded entirely by that city's school system, Microsoft offered its management skills and personnel to design every aspect of the high-tech setting. From the article: "After three years of planning, the Microsoft Corp.-designed 'School of the Future' opened its doors Thursday, a gleaming white modern facility looking out of place amid rows of ramshackle homes in a working-class West Philadelphia neighborhood. The school is being touted as unlike any in the world, with not only a high-tech building -- students have digital lockers and teachers use interactive 'smart boards' -- but also a learning process modeled on Microsoft's management techniques."

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  1. Who wants to bet... by isecore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that open-source is banned in that school?

    "Say, that's a nice school we helped build... wouldn't want any open-source in there, that would mean bad things, and we don't want bad things to happen, right?"

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  2. What the ... by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The company didn't pay the $63 million cost -- that was borne by the Philadelphia School District -- but shared its personnel and management skills. About 170 teens, nearly all black and mainly low-income, were chosen by lottery to make up the freshman class. The school eventually plans to enroll up to 750 students.

    $63 million
    Supporting 170 students
    $370,588 per student right now.
    At the 162,000-square-foot high school, which sits on nearly eight acres, the day starts at 9:15 a.m. and ends at 4:19 p.m., simulating the typical work day. Officials said studies show students do better when they start later in the day.

    That's a lot of resources thrown at very few students.
    1. Re:What the ... by thesolo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That's a lot of resources thrown at very few students.

      Exactly. Speaking as someone who lives in Philadelphia, this has not been very well received here. The school system in this city is grossly underfunded, but now we suddenly have this new $63 million school, where all the freshmen get laptops and the lockers open with smart cards. The entire building is wireless, the students don't even have textbooks. A commentator on NPR this morning declared the school to be, in regards to money well spent, "a total waste"

      Just the other day, there was a /. story about opposition to HS students having laptops, which pointed out the obvious: the students are using the technology to send IMs and play on networking sites like myspace. The laptops get beat to the ground and loaded full of spyware, the kids don't learn, and it becomes a giant waste of money. My brother-in-law, who is a teacher in Philadelphia, mentioned that they had to block Wikipedia on their school computers because kids would just copy the articles verbatim for book reports, make up a few sources, and hand them in. Having instant access to the answers isn't making students study harder...

      Perhaps I'm sounding like a luddite, but I fail to understand how having interactive whiteboards & plasma TV screens all over the building are going to make kids learn calculus or a foreign language. I find this entire thing a bit ridiculous. Mind you, the students seem to love it, but apparently they're more interested in the bathrooms than the classrooms:
      "They have those sinks that you just put your hands like that and the water comes out," said Sandra Nelson, 14.

      "Toilets flush by themselves. It's all just so nice," agreed Bianca Gibson, 14. "I want to give a shout out to Bill Gates and tell him, 'Thank you, so much.' "

      Where's that emoticon of the head banging against a brick wall?
  3. What are *you* doing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously. MS is trying to work in the ideas that made one of the largest most successful companies in the history of business. Sounds like there may be some carryover since making a good company is all about maintaining smart, happy employees. What have you done for education lately, besides complained about it? I applaud their effort, in the face of government and other big orgs who see 'business as usual' a fine mantra as our education system goes straight down the crapper.

    1. Re:What are *you* doing? by MECC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Seriously. MS is trying to work in the ideas that made one of the largest most successful companies in the history of business"

      As in steal ideas from others, lie to federal judges, violate federal laws, and spin faster than a top?

      "and other big orgs" Of course, MS isn't a "big org", and knows so much more about education than, say, educators. There are people out there who do turn around schools, and they do it by addressing the fundamental problems, not throwing technology at the situation as some kind of utopian panacea.

      "What have you done for education lately"

      One doesn't need to be a sailor to know that a ships float better than stones.

      Really, from the article, it looks like MS just wants to train future MS employees. And have somebody else pay for it. And then not hire them.

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    2. Re:What are *you* doing? by jthill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Schools aren't businesses. Nations aren't businesses. Churches aren't businesses. This pretense that competence in business translates to competence in other areas is borderline insane.

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    3. Re:What are *you* doing? by inviolet · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I almost think we do need to somehow make US schools private run entities...or at least make the schools truely competitive, where people lose jobs and funding for lack of performance.

      It is a Hard Problem to measure the performance of a school, or even a teacher.

      You allude to vouchers, as a stopgap measure, but that doesn't entirely solve the problem. A voucher is basically a way for individual parents to judge the school based on observations of their child. While this is more precise than a standardized test, it is not necessarily accurate, nor is it reliable on a schoolwide basis. In any event, it functions only in the presence of attentive, devoted parents.

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  4. I would not. by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Anyway, hwo much of you really wouldn't want to study at the school which is run by the world's biggest (I think it is) software company, which's products are used on 95% of computers?

    Read the article. The library does not have books. It's all "digital".

    That right there would be enough for me to avoid it.

    Microsoft is great at MARKETING their products. They do not write great software.

    And there is nothing to indicate that they know ANYTHING about education.
  5. Re:vista by kripkenstein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm not trying to be a troll but with the way Vista has been handled, hasn't MS shown that their management techniques aren't exactly very good?

    Exactly what I was thinking. When I read "[Microsoft] didn't pay the $63 million cost -- that was borne by the Philadelphia School District -- but shared its personnel and management skills" in TFA, my reaction was: it would have been better for them to just donate a big stack of cash and keep their 'skills' to themselves. Money is something Microsoft have more than enough of; 'management skills' - doubtful at best.

    And even if they did have 'management skills' - they have no idea of how to teach those skills to children. All their experience is with hiring already-skilled adults.

    Had I heard "Microsoft donates $1 billion to the Philadelpha public school system", I would have applauded Microsoft for their generosity (despite everything I have against them). But this project just sounds like a bad idea to me.

  6. Re:Interesting 'idea' by CosmeticLobotamy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What you're saying isn't entirely meritless, but

    The current school systems are already being pumped cash, but still show horrible results. Especially when compared to private schools.

    No, public school children show horrible results compared to private school children. The children of typically wealthy parents that care enough about their child's education to go to the effort of putting them in a private school perform better in school. Public schools could obviously be run better in many cases, but you sure as heck can't do a one-to-one comparison. Although I'm all for a test case, privatizing an existing, poorly-performing public school and forbidding an increase in expulsions (if you're going to do it on a large scale, you can't just send the less-exceptional kds off to public school to pad your "look how great the students that are still here do" numbers) and seeing how well things go. I'd absolutely love to see that data, 'cause I want there to be an easy fix. I just doubt there is one.

    Students are rarely taught a solid foundation that they can grasp

    Sure they are. They're taught until their teachers are blue in the face. But other than the 10% that are going to grow up to be the important people, the students just generally don't give a damn. You can't teach an interest in learning.

    But you're right that Microsoft's stuff won't help much.

  7. Technology isn't the problem by bhmit1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Throwing technology at a non-technical problem won't fix it. I like some ideas including more self directed study and the new class times (though I'd worry about traffic if this was done across an entire city). And as much crap as MS will get for this, I don't think they have evil motives at heart.

    However, the real problem with schools is the insistence upon including everyone and teaching to the lowest common denominator. The more we can get the high achievers into more advanced programs where they spend time around other high achievers, the better. The entrance requirements for this school shouldn't have been a lottery, but a skills test and teacher recommendations. The best colleges in the country don't use a lottery for admission, and neither should the best schools.

    I'm sure there are a long list of other things that could be done. For example, we need ways to find and reward teachers that engage students and truly educate them. I have a hard time remembering the teachers that taught from a book, but the ones that brought in dry ice and had us build model rockets are at the top of my list. The first management technique that MS should have brought to the table was the proper identification of what the problems are and how they can find and implement the best solutions. Sadly, this was more about money and publicity than it was about fixing a problem.