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US Air Force to Test Hi-Tech Weapons on Americans?

GayBliss writes to tell us CNN.com has an article about how the US Air Force secretary proposes testing new 'non-lethal' weapons on American citizens before deploying them to the battlefield. New weapons like a high-power microwave device are designed to incapacitate people or sometimes even electronic devices. From the article: "The object is basically public relations. Domestic use would make it easier to avoid questions from others about possible safety considerations, said Secretary Michael Wynne."

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  1. How about by kalirion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    testing these weapons on the people in charge of the project? I mean they're non-lethal, so what's the problem?

    1. Re:How about by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing hurts like you're being cooked alive, and stops immediately once you're out of the way, but leaves no physical trace of injury.

      I think the CIA just found a new favored method of information extraction / recreation.

      Mod me down if you will, but you have to admit that that's a torturers dream - hurts like hell but won't leave evidence or run the risk of killing the subject prematurely. And with any luck it will also destroy any video tapes and photos of the incident.

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  2. 'Unruly crowds?' by Captain+Sarcastic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hmmm... if there are crowds of protesters who disagree with this idea, then it's a ready-made opportunity!

    <IRONY=0%>

    Dammit, did I leave off the "IRONY=100%" tag again?

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  3. read this earlier by thefirelane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read this earlier, I couldn't think of a better example of "damned if you do, damned if you don't"

    Military uses them first on US citizens:
    OMG the Military is testing weapons on US citizens!

    Military uses them first on non-US citizens:
    OMG the Military is testing weapons on non-US citizens! What are those people worth less to you racists?

    Military doesn't develope these weapons:
    OMG the Military is using deadly force against civilians

    1. Re:read this earlier by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "OMG the Military is using deadly force against civilians"

      The question you should be asking is "Why is the Military being used for civillian law enforcment?"

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  4. This is to save lives, period. by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question you should be asking is "Why is the Military being used for civillian law enforcment?"

    They're not. Here's a scenario for you:

    You're with a platoon of Marines assigned to guard a US Embassy, or perhaps to support the local military in their protection of a local elected official (say, the Interior Minister of Carjakistan, who is friendly to democracy but tends to have angry mobs pointed at him by his local political opponents in the city where they're trying to put together a function municipal government that doesn't involve daily beheadings). A couple of busses pull up with that day's duly designated Angry Mob(s). They start screaming, throwing rocks, etc. Then, some shots ring out from the crowd, at the Marines.

    So, they can fire over the heads of the crowd, hoping to disperse them. The people willing to attack some Marines don't really care about that tactic one way or the other, so that's something of a non-starter. Or, they can fire into the crowd, making them disperse into smaller body parts, and hopefully also killing the people who are shooting at whatever building they're in. That works, but has the unfortunate side effect of killing the people who were bussed in as angry-crowd-cover by the militants. Marines look bad on CNN for that one. Or, they can trot out a new toy or two that makes it pretty much unbearable to be in that crowd in the first place, AK-47 under your cross-dressing burkha or not. Unarmed civilians don't die, and Interior Minister gets to go to work on the police force that's ultimately supposed to handle these situations.

    If I'm a Marine, I'm all for this. Likewise Air Force MPs (who are often guarding facilities that get swamped with representatives from Unruly Crowd Central Casting), etc.

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  5. Re:Major Flaw by HarvardAce · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Give me a break. When you get to the point where you are trying to care about what people think about you in a war you are losing. War is for one thing only--the destruction of your enemy.

    And this is why we're losing -- or at least not winning -- the "war" in Iraq. Wars in the last millenia are not like the ones you get in Civilization games -- they rarely (if ever) result in the total annihilation of the enemy, nor is that usually the goal of a war either. Wars with that goal in mind (e.g. the Germans in WWII) are doomed to fail because there are always more "them" than "us."

    Wars these days are as much ideological wars as they are wars over territory or economics. Especially in the war on terror, public relations is a huge issue (and perhaps the most important one). The problem we are currently having is that the insurgents are recruiting people faster than we can neutralize (either by killing or capturing) them. If we were to use unethical or excessive force in dealing with the insurgents, we will only succeed in driving more and more people to the insurgent's cause. Events such as the prison abuse scandal have hurt our efforts in Iraq and in neighboring regions. Some people will be driven to the insurgency regardless of what we do in the Middle East and across the globe, but we must take whatever steps possible (and reasonable) to limit the number of people who join the insurgency.

    If winning a war was just about destroying the enemy without regard to any reprecussions, we would just drop a ton of nukes on Iraq and Afghanistan and call it a day. Obviously the world does not work like that, and hasn't since the middle ages.

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  6. Re:FUD, FUD, FUD by voice_of_all_reason · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I keep hearing about these "nonlethal alternatives" and have to wonder why they are being used more and more often in cases where a lethal alternative would never be condoned. That is not an "alternative", it is an entirely different justification and punishment altogether.