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Programmed Sentencing in China

An anonymous reader writes to mention a unique combination of coding and social justice. A court in China has been using software to mete out sentences in criminal cases. The program has been in use for almost two years, and has passed judgement in some 1,500 cases. From the article: "'The software can avoid abuse of discretionary power of judges as a result of corruption or insufficient training,' the paper quoted Zichuan District Court chief judge, Wang Hongmei, as saying. But some Chinese newspapers criticized the move as a farce that highlighted the 'laziness of the court' and that would not curb judicial corruption as touted."

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  1. Not perfect, but a step in the right direction by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be good to come up with (and make public) an algorithm for determining a sentence. It shouldn't automatically be entered as the official sentence, but then a judge would have a good baseline to go off of. If the judge wanted to make a significant increase or decrease to the sentence, they would need to demonstrate the extenuating circumstances. An added bonus is that there would be a quantitative metric for determining how judges are performing.

    Of course, the toughest part is creating a fair algorithm. But hey, in theory it has got potential.

    1. Re:Not perfect, but a step in the right direction by bunions · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You can say the same things about medical diagnoses - and yet, decision support software for doctors is used quite often.

      It's a guide and a method to keep tabs on the judicial record. I view it with cautious optimism.

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    2. Re:Not perfect, but a step in the right direction by dbcad7 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      True that no two cases the same, but we are talking about sentencing

      crime.. stealing a candy bar..
      perp 1 is well off buisnessman
      perp 2 is starving homeless man
      perp 3 is bug-eyed dope-feind
      perp 4 is diabetic
      perp 5 says he just forgot to pay

      Should any of these people receive a different punishment for their crime than the others got ?
      And how should the others feel if their punishment more severe ?

      Then throw in the mix different judges..
      judge 1 just had his car stolen
      judge 2 has a relative who is on drugs, hates drug addicts
      judge 3 just received major funds from local buisness for his relection campaign
      judge 4 partied last night, has a major hangover
      judge 5 just sentenced another person to 15 years for a real crime.. candy theft is nothing.
      judge 6 has had his reelection opponent declare him "soft" on crime

      I think some "standards" to sentencing would be a good thing.

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  2. Re:Sounds Insane: by Rice-Pudding · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Uhhh... no, everyone is not a criminal. That is why we have a difference between criminal and civil (torte?) law.

  3. We already do this in the U.S.... by Dekortage · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...but we call it electronic voting. The sentences have much bigger consequences, but are revised every four years.

    (tongue firmly planted in cheek!)

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  4. A similar system in the Netherlands by wfberg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A similar system has been in use in the Netherlands for some time. Not for judges, but for prosecutors. Most laws state e.g. that if you're guilty you "shalle be imprisoned for no longer than 10 years". Now, those maximum sentences are only applied if you've been a real asshole. If there are mitigating circumstances, you can expect some leniency. For example; you have no history of criminal behavior, you were provoked, etc. Those circumstances don't influence culpability, but they can influence sentencing.

    To help prosecutors in demanding a punishment that fits the crime, and more importantly to have prosecutors demand the same punishment in similar cases, regardless of jurisdiction, there's a piece of software to help them out. Just enter the specifics of the case, and the software will work out the sentence you should ask for based on a) guidelines given out by the national government, and b) comparisons to similar cases from a historical database.

    Now, the software just comes up with a suggestion, so the prosecutor can still say "well, in similar cases people have gotten 6 years in jail, but this guy's a real asshole based on characteristics I can't fill in on these forms, so he deserves to raise the average". Or the prosecutor can decide to stay on the lenient side. Whichever way though, if there's a discrepency from guidelines+case law, he'll have to explain it.

    Now, ultimately, it's still in the judge's hands. The judge may attach greater weight to certain mitigating circumstances, and less to others, and come up with a different sentence. But the judge is also aware of the guidelines and statistics.

    The reason for such a system is to increase the dependability of the judicial system. If two people commit the same crime, in the same manner, for the same reasons, and in the same circumstances, they should get the same punishment; justice, after all, should be blind.

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  5. Re:Yay human rights! by timeOday · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Well, wait a minute... what is law in the first place, if not a "procedure" for judging real-life situations and doling out punishment? In the good old days, King David would solve problems creatively, e.g. proposing to cut a baby in half if two women claimed to be the mother. But now we have laws, which are supposed to reduce justice to following a set of steps. No current computer technology could hear out complex arguments and decide whether to render a "not guilty" verdict, but sentencing seems simpler yet more arbitrary, so perhaps a "jail calculator" isn't such a terrible idea. I know I wouldn't want to be sentenced by a judge who had a fight with his wife that morning.

  6. Ah no.... by woolio · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How would the punishment of theft be related to the amount stolen?

    linear?
    quadratic?
    logarihtmic?

    If shoplifting a $20 "X" is a crime, when what about a CEO embezzling 100s of millions?

    Firing squad for the whole family? Execution by worms?

    Or what about murder? Even accidents involving negligence are punished... How should an army captain be punished? Or a police capatin?