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Much Ado About Gas Prices

markmcb writes "It seems that a week cannot pass without finding big news about gas prices. They're up, they're down ... but why do we care so much? OmniNerd posted an article that aims to put gas prices in perspective. The author takes a look at other commodities and their price variances and applies some simple math in order to make the claim that best-gas-price-hunting is an effort that could be better used on other products. From the article, 'Why the disproportionate emphasis on gas prices in our culture, then? Although some cite a failure of politicians or media populists to account for inflation and purchasing power changes, I think it is simply because gas prices are in your face.'" IMO, the other side to the price of gas is that, especially in developed countries, it has a pervasive effect throughout all layers of the economy — food prices (because of the trucking), schools (busing), etc., etc.

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  1. Exxon Mobile by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Insightful
    It seems that a week cannot pass without finding big news about gas prices. They're up, they're down ...
    They've been in the news because they've only been going up up up until very recently. They were also in the news because idiots were 'predicting' that they would hit $5 a gallon after Operation Iraq Freedom.

    This article is just a very vigorous proof that you're an idiot if you spend any time at all searching for the cheapest gas. We all know that some gas stations don't follow the unspoken price rule where you don't undercut your competitors and they won't undercut you. Some people must feel very smart finding those gas stations. How much gas they waste getting to them might be interesting to compute also. Oh well, as long as it makes you feel good inside.

    I remember when Exxon Mobile reported the largest profits ever received by a company in a single quarter. While they were raking in that dough, they were telling me that hurricane Katrina and the war had left them with no oil at all. They warned me gas prices were going to go up. Then why the hell did they make record profits?

    What I would like to read an article about what the hell happened with the congressional hearing that was supposed to investigate Exxon Mobile? And we're subsidizing gasoline companies through preferential tax codes? Am I the only person wondering what is going on here?
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    1. Re:Exxon Mobile by toetagger1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you can make 1,000,000 gallons of gas a day, and demand is 1,000,000 of gas at $1.25 each, then you will have sales of $1,250,000.

      Now, if demand increases, but you can still only make 1,000,000 of gas a day, you have to adjust your price such that the demand is at 1,000,000 gallons a day again. Today, that price is around $2.85, and the company now has sales of $2,850,000.

      If you pay attention, you will notice that even so sales more than doubled, they didn't have to spend or invest any more money to do so.

      The reason why this works is because of the lack of investment in new capacity development. The only reason why this is the case is because of the lack of competition. Everyone in the industry knows they make more money by not investing (in order to increase price), than by investing billions to increase capacity at lower prices.

      So if you want to have lower oil prices, get writ/weaken OPEC first. Then break up some of the oil industry by seperating crude extraction from refining (break up the vertical monopolies), and then let the free market do its job.

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  2. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by grasshoppa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wish we *had* public transport to use.

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  3. Isn't it obvious? by l4m3z0r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason we care so much is that many of us spend more on gas than any other commodity. We consider it as essential as food. And its price varies wildly from season to season. I spend roughly $300 US each month on gas currently, and when it was higher you bet your ass I cared that I was spending an extra $50 a month.

  4. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would you pay $6/gallon for gas to support the taxes required for all those socialist services?

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  5. gas prices as a political weapon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Expect gas prices to continue to decline up to the November elections. Oil companies will forgo the profits short-term in order to give oil-friendly Republicans a better shot at the polls.

    After the election, look for a price spike, probably blamed on increased heating demand and Middle East instability.

    And no, you can't have my tinfoil hat.

  6. Re:Eh hem, size matters. by suso · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another problem is that it's a big deal because the media makes it a big deal.

    And the media makes it a big deal because the status quo for intellegence is not very high. Average Joe customer simply sees things on the surface and doesn't do any deep thinking. I remember hearing someone that I know say "I guess buying a diesel car is the way to go". No doubt he simply thought that because the price of gas on diesel cars was advertised as a few cents cheaper per gallon at the time. Now, its the opposite. And I don't know this for sure, but aren't diesel cars more expensive? If that's the case then you'd be losing money overall.

  7. It's the one futures market most people encounter. by Churla · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gas prices are driven because of the spot market on oil, and the way it's basically a "futures market".

    American consumers don't have to deal with the extreme volatility that is involved with such a rampantly speculative market on a day to day basis, EXCEPT when it comes to gas prices. This makes them a lot more visible than other speculative swings.

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  8. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by Don853 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would gladly pay $6/gallon if it would get all the jackasses driving Yukons with one passenger off the road. The public transit would be nice, but it would require everyone to not live on 3/4 acre in a development 35 miles from the center of the city for it to be even plausable.

  9. Re:Hogwash by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm more shocked by the people who bitch about gas prices while chugging away on their third $4.00 cup of Starbucks that morning.

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  10. Re:mod parent up by LaughingCoder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's election season, dumbasses, they're lowering prices to help out their buddies in Washington.

    Nice theory, but what happened in 2004? Remember all those rumors that Bush had a secret arrangement with the Saudis and they were going to lower gas prices around the election to make Bush look good. Well, it never happened. http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publ ications/wrgp/mogas_home_page.html In fact, gas prices peaked in November of 2004, having risen over 20% from March to November of that year.

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  11. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    European cars get better mileage and it is easier to live without a car there than it is in the US, where every store is a 20 minute drive away and there is only the barest shell of viable public transport.

    In most Western Countries, you can choose where you live. I could have chosen to live within the City Limits, where the store is within walking distance (and public transportation is actually quite good). Instead, I chose to build a house in the suburbs. It is MY OWN DAMN FAULT that I now have to pay $50 a week to fill up my Ford Escape. And, my wife and I chose to purchase a fuel-efficient Mazda 3, because her new job had a very long commute.

    If you feel that the stores are too far away, then either move to a new house (closer to the stores you shop at), or buy a more fuel-efficient car.

  12. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by szembek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You speak as though 3/4 of an acre is a large lot. It's a decent sized yard at best. 1 acre is the smallest lot I'll even consider when looking at houses. It's a luxury of living in the large nation that we do. We don't have to be crowded into small spaces in dirty cities. We can choose to live in comfort and have some space for kids to enjoy, and to build shit on.

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  13. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by egburr · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I've tried taking the bus. It turns my 25 minute drive into a 70 minute bus ride. I still have to drive 2 miles to reach the bus stop, mainly because I have to cross a 6-lane road that has no pedestrian conveniences such as a crosswalk at the nearest intersections (walking to the nearest crosswalk would make the trip a 4 mmile walk). I have two choies of bus routes, and both are about equivalent in inconvenience, only a few minutes difference in travel time.


    I hate driving in traffic. I would love to take the bus. However, I just can't do it with the current options. One major reason is that I have to pick up one of my children from after school care by 6:00pm. To do that, I would have to take the 4:25 bus from work, which is a little difficult when I get off at 5:00. Of course, I could start work earlier, which means I would have to catch the first bus of the day at 6:00, which is a little difficult since my son's school bus doesn't arrive until 7:25 and the school won't allow children to be dropped off until 8:00. I could enroll him in the before school care, too, but that doesn't start until 7:00, which still is insufficient for catching the 6:00 bus.


    So, as much as I hate driving during rush hour (if you can call creeping at 15 mph driving), I still prefer it over riding the bus with the options I currently have.


    The city here puts a lot of effort into showing how much effort they are putting into public transportation. They don't seem to put much effort into making it at all convenient for people to use.

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  14. Re:To really put things in perspective.. by Crazy+Man+on+Fire · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Would you pay $6/gallon for gas to support the taxes required for all those socialist services?
    Don't think for a second that gas is actually cheaper than $6/gallon here. In other countries, they pay the actual cost at the pump. Here in America, we pay part of the cost at the pump and pay the rest in taxes and national debt. Have you been paying attention to the billion dollar tax breaks and incentives that the government gives out to the oil companies? Where do you think that money comes from? That's right, the taxpayers (of today and tomorrow)!