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Microsoft's Video Site 'Soapbox' Disappointing

nieske writes "CNet reviews Microsoft's new video site, Soapbox. Though browsing and uploading is easy, CNet isn't very enthusiastic about the beta, mostly blaming this on the fact that Soapbox has nothing more to offer than other video sites. From the article: 'It's a slightly better sharing service than YouTube in some small technical ways, but it doesn't help users make money from their content like Revver does; it doesn't have granular privacy controls like Vox; it won't post directly into blogs for you like VideoEgg; and it won't show videos from other networks like Yahoo Video. Given Microsoft's position in the video sharing market (dead last), I expected a more aggressive product.'"

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  1. Microsoft & the Reviewer ... in General by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Given Microsoft's position in the video sharing market (dead last), I expected a more aggressive product.
    Well, this is Microsoft you are critiquing. I mean, what have they traditionally aimed for? Functionality? Cross product compliance? Not really ... In fact, from what I've read and seen, Soapbox looks like some classic Microsoft action. They aim for ease of use (easy uploading and browsing) and visual "bells & whistles" while using traditional tactics to stifle/strong arm the competition.

    This is very similar to their traditional software market that they have come to dominate.

    This reviewer is the minority of computer users. He is a technically elite individual. There are more regular average people than there are technically elite. Microsoft is probably aiming for the market of older people who shoot home videos on their digital camera and want a site they can understand -- to hell with unneeded functionality. I think there is a large market of people out there and I think that Microsoft is attempting to enter the online video market through this demographic.

    I added a 120MB digital camera video to Google Video last week and the process was way too complex for my mom. Yet, I'm sure that she and my sisters will want to share their home videos with the rest of the family for free. And they're not looking to link it to their blogs (they don't know what that word means) or turn a buck on ad revenue. Playing to the lowest common denominator will get you very far in America.

    Just something to think about before you laugh at Microsoft and claim they'll always be dead last.

    Since the review so heavily criticized Soapbox, what did the reviewer think Microsoft should have added to put it ahead of the competition? I mean, if you add the same functionality (say, ad revenue), you're not exactly putting yourself ahead and you're just doing what's been done. Is there anything left to be done to make your online video site "the best"?
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    1. Re:Microsoft & the Reviewer ... in General by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, this is Microsoft you are critiquing. I mean, what have they traditionally aimed for? Functionality? Cross product compliance?

      Mediocrity? Not that that is always a bad thing, they do after all own the desktop and a significant portion of the server market, and they got there partly by never scaring their (corporate) customers by taking big design and tecnology risks. They always play it as safe as possible which is why their attempts to do radical innovative things usually end up looking a bit..... um..... unimpressive.
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  2. Classic Microsofties by v1ncent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is no suprise from Microsoft. Copy the basics to test the waters... then throw money behind the project to dominate.

    1. Re:Classic Microsofties by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But I can't see where this strategy has been hugely successful. Possibly with the XBox, but they haven't dominated in any area online, nor do they seem likely to. As a company, they have the agility to put something like this up quickly and easily, but lack something that would allow them to take risks and try something new.

    2. Re:Classic Microsofties by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >But I can't see where this strategy has been hugely successful. Possibly with the XBox

      if a 4+ billion dollar loss, tying for 2nd place in marketshare, and hoping to see a profit in the 10th year of running counts as a "huge success", then I don't know what would count as a failure? overheating power bricks actually killing users?

    3. Re:Classic Microsofties by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a loss. It's an investment. It's a 4 billion dollar avertisement for the XBox360. The Xbox has become a dominant player in the console market from nothing.

  3. Standard MS tactic by TechnoBunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get in there with a product that *just about* does what it says on the tin, then use your squillions of $$$ to stifle the competition.

  4. Copy and paste, embrace and extend by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Currently MS is "embracing". I.e. copying what the competition has.

    Extending comes later when they got the leverage to set the "standard".

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  5. Direct upload from window media player by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Using Windows Live for authentication and a button inside WMP for one a one click upload like image shack would seriously give them some leverage.

    I'll probably get flamed for this, but if I was building that service that is what I would do.

    They have the platform there, why not use it.

  6. If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd be rather pissed off at the current management of the company.
    Microsoft has traditionally been able to compete in a given market by
    sheer size. The XBox is a good example - they sucked it initially,
    then basically poured money and effort into it till they became a dominant
    player in the market.

    But now they're trying to become dominant in everything - search, portable music players/services, online video streaming, etc. Microsoft can certainly dominate
    one market with brute force, perhaps two or three. But at some point, the brute
    force method just isn't possible anymore - it eats far too many resources. And
    from the looks of it, MS doesn't seem to be getting any better at initial execution.
    As late to the game as they were with online video and search engines, they needed
    to have a "wow" product. Instead, they turned out their typical "meh" product.
    Eventually, they won't be able to spend their way out of the holes they dig.

    1. Re:If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by asuffield · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The XBox is a good example - they sucked it initially, then basically poured money and effort into it till they became a dominant player in the market.


      I wouldn't call tied for distant second in a three player market a "dominant player".


      And I wouldn't call a four billion dollar loss a "dominant player". Other phrases come to mind, like "act of gross stupidity" and "shareholder lawsuit". Someday, Microsoft's universally appalling performance in everything but Windows and Office is going to come back and bite them - they sink billions of dollars of other people's money every year into these schemes, and haven't had anything to show for it yet. If they refocussed on their two profitable products and axed everything else, their shareholders would become vastly richer. The cultist attitude at Microsoft (that has so far prevented this from happening) cannot last forever.
    2. Re:If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you please list three things that Microsoft does other than Windows and Office which consistently make a profit? Market share is not important if you have to pour more money at it to maintain it than you get from having it; from a shareholder perspective, at least. People don't buy shares in MS because they want a slice of world domination, they buy them because they want a return on investment.

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  7. Re:This is the right time for... by TechnoBunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it a requirement to be 'better' to criticise? Im a terrible golfer, does that mean when a star shanks it into the rough im not allowed to say that its a bad shot?

  8. I don't get it by Evro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why does Microsoft feel the need to copy every single "new thing" out there? I realize they are incapable of innovation or independent thought, but the past 10 years for MS has been nothing but showing up to a party already in progress shouting "HEY GUYS, WE'RE HERE!!" With the Zume (after the DOA "Plays Anywhere" program) playing catch-up to the iPod and now Soapbox trying to play with YouTube and Google Video it's getting nauseatingly blatant. Tens of thousands of employees and still no innovation. Pretty depressing really.

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why do Linux people feel the need to get Linux to run on anything and everything? The answer is the same for both really... because they CAN.

      They've got more money than they know what to do with so what better use than to branch out into other areas if they feel like it.

  9. Zuh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    The constant "gee whiz, micro$oft is $o evil and they $uck so bad. I use teh Linux." Microsoft bashing. Don't you ever get tired of the endless complaining about a company that, on balance, isn't any worse then a lot of other companies?
    When did I bash Microsoft? I pointed out that they're filling a market area that needs to be filled and I pretty much applauded them for it. Seriously, I don't have much against them and more power to them if they know how to work the capitalist system.

    eldavojohn