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Microsoft's Video Site 'Soapbox' Disappointing

nieske writes "CNet reviews Microsoft's new video site, Soapbox. Though browsing and uploading is easy, CNet isn't very enthusiastic about the beta, mostly blaming this on the fact that Soapbox has nothing more to offer than other video sites. From the article: 'It's a slightly better sharing service than YouTube in some small technical ways, but it doesn't help users make money from their content like Revver does; it doesn't have granular privacy controls like Vox; it won't post directly into blogs for you like VideoEgg; and it won't show videos from other networks like Yahoo Video. Given Microsoft's position in the video sharing market (dead last), I expected a more aggressive product.'"

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  1. Microsoft & the Reviewer ... in General by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Given Microsoft's position in the video sharing market (dead last), I expected a more aggressive product.
    Well, this is Microsoft you are critiquing. I mean, what have they traditionally aimed for? Functionality? Cross product compliance? Not really ... In fact, from what I've read and seen, Soapbox looks like some classic Microsoft action. They aim for ease of use (easy uploading and browsing) and visual "bells & whistles" while using traditional tactics to stifle/strong arm the competition.

    This is very similar to their traditional software market that they have come to dominate.

    This reviewer is the minority of computer users. He is a technically elite individual. There are more regular average people than there are technically elite. Microsoft is probably aiming for the market of older people who shoot home videos on their digital camera and want a site they can understand -- to hell with unneeded functionality. I think there is a large market of people out there and I think that Microsoft is attempting to enter the online video market through this demographic.

    I added a 120MB digital camera video to Google Video last week and the process was way too complex for my mom. Yet, I'm sure that she and my sisters will want to share their home videos with the rest of the family for free. And they're not looking to link it to their blogs (they don't know what that word means) or turn a buck on ad revenue. Playing to the lowest common denominator will get you very far in America.

    Just something to think about before you laugh at Microsoft and claim they'll always be dead last.

    Since the review so heavily criticized Soapbox, what did the reviewer think Microsoft should have added to put it ahead of the competition? I mean, if you add the same functionality (say, ad revenue), you're not exactly putting yourself ahead and you're just doing what's been done. Is there anything left to be done to make your online video site "the best"?
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    1. Re:Microsoft & the Reviewer ... in General by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Well, this is Microsoft you are critiquing. I mean, what have they traditionally aimed for? Functionality? Cross product compliance?

      Mediocrity? Not that that is always a bad thing, they do after all own the desktop and a significant portion of the server market, and they got there partly by never scaring their (corporate) customers by taking big design and tecnology risks. They always play it as safe as possible which is why their attempts to do radical innovative things usually end up looking a bit..... um..... unimpressive.
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    2. Re:Microsoft & the Reviewer ... in General by CastrTroy · · Score: 2, Informative

      However, if people want real ease of use, for sharing family photos and videos, then I would highly recommend DropShots. Although it doesn't have tons of features, its extremely simple. Just click on the icon in the system tray, then drop the files into the window that displays. I have my own hosting service, with Gallery2, and lots of space, but its was impossible to make an argument against using dropshots for my wife. It was just too easy, and too straight forward. No site I've ever seen has taken something to such a simple level. I know the concept is simple, and probably didn't take long for them to think up, however, I often wonder why nobody else has implemented a similar idea.

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  2. Classic Microsofties by v1ncent · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is no suprise from Microsoft. Copy the basics to test the waters... then throw money behind the project to dominate.

    1. Re:Classic Microsofties by 91degrees · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But I can't see where this strategy has been hugely successful. Possibly with the XBox, but they haven't dominated in any area online, nor do they seem likely to. As a company, they have the agility to put something like this up quickly and easily, but lack something that would allow them to take risks and try something new.

    2. Re:Classic Microsofties by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      >But I can't see where this strategy has been hugely successful. Possibly with the XBox

      if a 4+ billion dollar loss, tying for 2nd place in marketshare, and hoping to see a profit in the 10th year of running counts as a "huge success", then I don't know what would count as a failure? overheating power bricks actually killing users?

    3. Re:Classic Microsofties by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not a loss. It's an investment. It's a 4 billion dollar avertisement for the XBox360. The Xbox has become a dominant player in the console market from nothing.

  3. Obviously not enough features by necro81 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Until it can automatically subtitle in seven different languages, help you create Matrix-like effects, split the atom, and turn my crap home movies into Oscar contenders, I won't be satisfied.

  4. Standard MS tactic by TechnoBunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Get in there with a product that *just about* does what it says on the tin, then use your squillions of $$$ to stifle the competition.

  5. Obvious why it's not top notch by Alcimedes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since Apple hasn't come out with a video sharing service yet, MS doesn't have a template for what theirs will look like.

  6. Copy and paste, embrace and extend by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Currently MS is "embracing". I.e. copying what the competition has.

    Extending comes later when they got the leverage to set the "standard".

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  7. Direct upload from window media player by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Using Windows Live for authentication and a button inside WMP for one a one click upload like image shack would seriously give them some leverage.

    I'll probably get flamed for this, but if I was building that service that is what I would do.

    They have the platform there, why not use it.

  8. If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by Reality+Master+201 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd be rather pissed off at the current management of the company.
    Microsoft has traditionally been able to compete in a given market by
    sheer size. The XBox is a good example - they sucked it initially,
    then basically poured money and effort into it till they became a dominant
    player in the market.

    But now they're trying to become dominant in everything - search, portable music players/services, online video streaming, etc. Microsoft can certainly dominate
    one market with brute force, perhaps two or three. But at some point, the brute
    force method just isn't possible anymore - it eats far too many resources. And
    from the looks of it, MS doesn't seem to be getting any better at initial execution.
    As late to the game as they were with online video and search engines, they needed
    to have a "wow" product. Instead, they turned out their typical "meh" product.
    Eventually, they won't be able to spend their way out of the holes they dig.

    1. Re:If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by kfg · · Score: 3, Funny

      But at some point, the brute force method just isn't possible anymore - it eats far too many resources.

      You aren't suggesting that they shouldn't attack Iran, are you?

      KFG

    2. Re:If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by asuffield · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The XBox is a good example - they sucked it initially, then basically poured money and effort into it till they became a dominant player in the market.


      I wouldn't call tied for distant second in a three player market a "dominant player".


      And I wouldn't call a four billion dollar loss a "dominant player". Other phrases come to mind, like "act of gross stupidity" and "shareholder lawsuit". Someday, Microsoft's universally appalling performance in everything but Windows and Office is going to come back and bite them - they sink billions of dollars of other people's money every year into these schemes, and haven't had anything to show for it yet. If they refocussed on their two profitable products and axed everything else, their shareholders would become vastly richer. The cultist attitude at Microsoft (that has so far prevented this from happening) cannot last forever.
    3. Re:If I were a MS stockholder, I'd be pissed by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you please list three things that Microsoft does other than Windows and Office which consistently make a profit? Market share is not important if you have to pour more money at it to maintain it than you get from having it; from a shareholder perspective, at least. People don't buy shares in MS because they want a slice of world domination, they buy them because they want a return on investment.

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  9. The Fruit, the Window & the Penguin by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Curious - where does the above fit in here?
    The fact that you can't watch Yahoo Videos through Soapbox (as the summary mentioned).

    Plus, you really don't know what's going on in the background. I mean, usually that tactic is what follows the release of the software. I'm guessing Microsoft has someone in mind to provide ads, storage, etc. The fact that it's not something you can incorporate into blog sites is also a little evidence they won't play ball with anyone.

    As for playing to the lowest common denominator, I thought that was supposed to be Apple's shtick?
    As a pretty avid Linux user, it's been my opinion that both MS and Apple aim to do this ... just in different ways (media versus gaming). And that might change with Apple's architecture switch. This LCD-ness is what Linux lacks (Ubuntu's getting close), right now it seems (again, in my opinion) that the sheer lack of open drivers for devices and PCI cards make this damn near impossible. There's also the debate about the heart of Linux and whether or not we want it to be as simple as plug-n-play. Either way, I hope someone makes a distro where you never see the guts and it attempts to take advantage of any drivers, open or not. Not so I would use it but so that someone with less time on their hands might be able to.
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    1. Re:The Fruit, the Window & the Penguin by ElleyKitten · · Score: 2, Informative
      This LCD-ness is what Linux lacks (Ubuntu's getting close), right now it seems (again, in my opinion) that the sheer lack of open drivers for devices and PCI cards make this damn near impossible.
      There's a lot of drivers in Linux. I've installed Linux on a bunch of different computers, and pretty much the only things that aren't autodetected have been wireless. Now, I don't use things like webcams or dial-up modems, and I'm not saying Linux is perfect, but for a lot of your basic hardware Linux is already plug and play.

      Either way, I hope someone makes a distro where you never see the guts and it attempts to take advantage of any drivers, open or not. Not so I would use it but so that someone with less time on their hands might be able to.
      That would be Linspire. Mepis and PCLinuxOS and a few others also are good about not forcing you to mess with the guts.
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  10. Re:This is the right time for... by TechnoBunny · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is it a requirement to be 'better' to criticise? Im a terrible golfer, does that mean when a star shanks it into the rough im not allowed to say that its a bad shot?

  11. Give them a chance. by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Funny

    Microsoft has only just started, and they managed to produce what took youTube well over a year to achieve.

    Certainly it isn't quite there. There will be a few bugs to sort out, and a few issues to resolve while they deal with technology to prevent users for flagrantly stealing music tracks and then selling them as videos, but Microsoft will get there. And it will be the best.

    Why do I think this? Because Microsoft care about Quality.

    They already have the worlds finest OS and the best office environment. Their search technology is second to none, and their entire online presense is increasing in leaps and bounds. Who could cope in today's online world without MSN messsenger or Outlook? They will soon dominate online videos, and then we'll see an amazing imprvement in this industry segment.

  12. I don't get it by Evro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why does Microsoft feel the need to copy every single "new thing" out there? I realize they are incapable of innovation or independent thought, but the past 10 years for MS has been nothing but showing up to a party already in progress shouting "HEY GUYS, WE'RE HERE!!" With the Zume (after the DOA "Plays Anywhere" program) playing catch-up to the iPod and now Soapbox trying to play with YouTube and Google Video it's getting nauseatingly blatant. Tens of thousands of employees and still no innovation. Pretty depressing really.

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