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Big Tobacco Funded Anti-Global Warming Messages

An anonymous reader writes, "The UK Guardian is running an excerpt from the new book "Heat" by George Monbiot (to be published later this month) spelling out the network of funding opposing global action against global warming — specifically, limits on human carbon dioxide generation. The excerpt outlines a web of fake citizens' groups and bogus (but authoritative sounding) research institutes designed to convince laypeople that human causation of global warming is scientifically controversial. Not surprisingly, the article notes funding by ExxonMobil. More interesting is the role played big tobacco, tying their attack on the health risks of second-hand smoke to global warming skepticism." From the article: "What I have discovered while researching this issue is that the corporate funding of lobby groups denying that man-made climate change is taking place was initiated not by Exxon, or by any other firm directly involved in the fossil fuel industry. It was started by the tobacco company Philip Morris."

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  1. Really questioning my libertarian streak nowadays by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the free market to operate "correctly" (allocating money/resources to entities that generate value) its members must have access to good information about products -- their benefits and their costs. In the idealized theory, the market must have perfect information about products.

    When the sources of information are so frequently corrupted by established power centers, how is there any home that efficient value-allocation will occur?

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  2. They're not *lying* . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    . . . they're employing their core competency to leverage creation of a favorable issue environment.

    Put another way, what they're doing is encouraging the creation of a population of irate soreheads programmed to doubt anything on command.

    I mean, dang, there are a lot of folks out there who think Penn Jillette and Micheal Crichton are authorities on global warming and second hand smoke.

  3. Re:Global Warming Fanatics Do the Same by gowen · · Score: 5, Insightful
    They'll find reports / studies to their advantage and promote them like crazy
    The difference is, they find them in reputable, peer reviewed journals, and written by people who actually understand climate science.
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  4. I don't get the connection... by mobiux · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the motivation behind Philip Morris trying to debunk global warming?

  5. Nothing but white noise... by Eric+Damron · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, the art of deception. The doctrine of "perception is greater than truth" is followed by people and organizations of low moral standards. One would think that in the age of instant information one could ferret out these amoral jerks but it's not easily done.

    A couple of enabling factors are present that contributes to the problem.

    1. In general people are lazy, complacent sheep who hear what they want to hear and don't take the trouble of getting involved until a problem directly impacts their lives. When that happens it is usually too late.

    2. There is such a volume of information and disinformation that it all blends into a kind of white noise that can make shifting the truth difficult for the few who really want to get at the truth. And if they do get at the truth problem one and two kicks in. Few will listen and their warnings just become part of the white noise.

    I'm just as guilty as most. It's just easier for me to sit back and watch seeds of corruption grow and bear fruit. Oh, I add to the white noise with my complaints but there are so many issues and no one really listens anyway. The shame is that the fruit of corruption will eventually be the end of mankind or maybe even all life on Earth.

    Heh, intelligent animals... Mother nature's greatest mistake!

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  6. Re:Really questioning my libertarian streak nowada by RatBastard · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Libertarianism is unworkable and deeply flawed. It, like Communism, relies on something that does not exist: the perfect human being. In order for Libertariansim to work all people must work towards their own elightened self interest. The problem is that's not how humans work. We (and I'm speaking in terms of populations more than particular people) are selfish, needy, dishonest and mean.

    Libtertarianism also relies on corporations acting in their own best, long-term self interest. We've all see that modern corporations don't look any further down the road than their next quaterly statement and in every place where there is not sufficient regulations they abuse the system and their employees to the limits of human endurance. That chemical spill in India was the result of an American chemical company locating a plant in a country with lax environmental and safety laws and operating their plant at those minimum specs in order to save money.

    To blindly trust businesses is folly at best and suicide at worst. The only time businesses care about you is when you spend your money on their products and services. Never forget that.

    I grew up in a Libertarian household. None of them remain Libertarians.

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  7. Re:Global Warming Fanatics Do the Same by gewalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course, its the basis for which I pick my side.

  8. I can't believe people buy this. by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, pop quiz. Which seems more likely to you? (a) A cabal of college professors, not standing to lose much of anything, jeopardize their careers and their scientific credibility by conducting a widespread campaign of disinformation to subvert the scientific process and whip the public into a panic. (b) A cabal of titanic multinational corporations, standing to lose untold billions if carbon controls are implemented, conducts a widespread campaign of disinformation to subvert the scientific process and confuse the public.

    I understand that it makes for good airplane reading, but come on. In the real world, Occam's Razor rips the whole mess to shreds. (Plus, isn't it telling that the best bit of media global warming deniers have on their side is an unabashed work of fiction?)

    (Also, if you're going to claim the existence of the aforementioned scientist conspiracy, please provide at least as much evidence as there already is for option (b). Thanks.)

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  9. Re:Common agenda by Catbeller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Neh. No. It's not that the aims of big oil and big tobacco are the same; it's that the tobacco industry developed the methodology of creating bullshit "science" foundations and fake citizens' groups, combined with professional and surgical insertion of false memes into the popular culture through shills in the media.

    I assume that big oil just wanted big tobacco's expertise in suppressing science and creating false "controversy" in the garbage news industry. I think we've witnessed our first corporate memetic mitosis.

    The aim isn't to fund science, it's to create a false air of debate when the facts just don't warrant it. "Reasonable people can disagree on this matter" is the meme they want floating through the blow-dried heads of the media gods. But of course, reasonable people don't disagree. Unreasonable liars disagree. But no one is allowed to call a corporate shill a liar anymore, I guess. That wouldn't be "balanced".

    Journalists are now inculated with the idea that their job is to present both "sides" of an "issue", where "reasonable" people can disagree. They don't take sides. The result of this is that PR masters can create BS "sides" and create fake debate that dethrone reason and install "balance". (I'd like to see this done with religious talking heads. Fat chance.)

    A reasonable news industry would winnow out and dismiss the robots dancing to their masters tune. There would be no "debate". Hell, you can't find any opinion to the "left" of Ronald Reagan in the news shows anymore, so they apparently *can* filter out what they consider nuts; they unfortunately can't seem to apply their debate filters to fake science corporate fronts and economic looting institutes.

  10. Re:Really questioning my libertarian streak nowada by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's a reason why we live better in the USA than people did in the Soviet Union, or in the typical middle-east dictatorship.

    Indeed, and that reason is mostly to do with the rule of law and a well regulated market, which is not much like the "free market" libertarians defend. Nations with better-regulated markets than the U.S., like Canada, Denmark and Sweden to name but a few, have populaces that live better than people in the USA do. At least according the UN measure of quality of life.

    Neither libertarianism nor communism require "perfect humans", whatever those might be. But they do require human beings to be other than they actually are, and therefore have not been notably successful in the creation of stable societies.

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  11. dammit, mod parent down by Scrameustache · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess this is technically off-topic, but I hate, HATE those Truth.com commercials

    You got that right: Your feelings about commercials on TV are offtopic.

    To see a bunch of snotty college kids in commercials going around telling everyone how evil cigarettes are, when you know these same kids get drunk and smoke weed on the weekends

    Wow, typecasting much! Wanna add something about their mama, while you're at it?

    they even dupe local governments into complying and forming a nice little pseudo-fascist state where you can be arrested for daring let a smoker into your club or restaurant (but remember, drunks and stoners are a-okay!).

    1- Stoners are routinely put in prison.
    2- If you drink next to me, I don't get second-hand drinks in my stomach.

    When your smoke stays out of my lungs and eyes, and when its stink stays out of my clothes and hair you'll have a point. In the meantime, you couldn't be further from the truth.

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