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The Core Gamer a Myth?

Next Generation explores the possibility that the 18 to 34 year old 'hardcore' male gamer, a coveted demographic, may not actually exist. Research from the NPD Group indicates that most 'heavy use' gamers are younger, between six and 17. From the article: "Frazier explained ... 'The segments were determined by examining player behavior, rather than defining segments demographically. While it's easy to talk about the 18 to 34 core gamer, it's not necessarily accurate. The industry has been in need of much more nuanced information that can be used both when developing and marketing content. In all, 10 behavioral attributes were used to determine the segments, and they fall into four primary areas: ownership of systems, use of systems, frequency of use, and purchase behavior. Segments emerged by minimizing differences within clusters and maximizing differences between the clusters." Is this yet another sign of the 'greying gamer' phenomenon, or simply evidence indicating the marketers have had it wrong all along?

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  1. What? by Enoxice · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Certainly the demographic exists. Whether it is as large or important as previously thought is another question entirely.

    Saying it doesn't exist at all is akin to saying that no 10-15 year olds are interested in programming. I'm sure there are some, but the demographic isn't deemed important enough to cater to most of the time.

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    1. Re:What? by whyrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree this demographic exists, I'd argue it's how they define it that's the problem.

      18-34 is (imo) the wrong age range. When looking at heavy gaming they need to look at college age (18-24) and filter out the age most people become working professionals (24-34).

      I know from my experience (which is not a very sound statistical tool) my play time dropped significantly around the same time the paychecks started rolling in. Skipping class/study to play games is not the same as skipping work to play games (people notice when I skip work...)

      To back this up with more sound statistical reasoning... amount of time playing video games is likely directly related to the amount of disposable time a person has. Anyone can tell you a college student has more disposable free time than a salaried employee (at least as a general rule of thumb). Grouping these two catagories together is sure to give you measurement bias in your results... which means the conclusion they come to in the article are not sound sicne it is based only on this one measurement.

    2. Re:What? by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IIRC I did have to do some kind of age verification using my credit card though...

      And just how many Xbox Live accounts do you think are purchased for the under-18 crowd with the credit cards of adoring parents?

      Oh well; so much for the idea of statistically-accurate age verification of players via credit cards.

    3. Re:What? by drsmithy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      They know my gender, how old I am, where I live, and what my income is... they also know what games I play and how often I play them... and this data is 100% accurate (considering my personal info is tied to my credit card, and the machine tracks my gaming habits). So with Xbox Live, Steam, Playstation Network, and Nintendo's online system... exactly why do we still need to rely on easily inaccurate surveys.

      Because if they actually used that info for anything like that, the Slashdot headline would be in YRO, have a little Borg icon beside it and say "Microsoft uses XBox 360 to read your email, defraud your credit card and kick your dog !".

    4. Re:What? by Kelbear · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This man speaks truth. You can't pack in big blocks of straight gaming as easily when you work mon-fri 9 to 5. There's lots of gaps in college class schedules and study times could be shifted at will.

      Now that I'm working, I play maybe 1-1.5 hours a night. Game time got cut by at least half or more after college. Due in part from the work hours, and the rest due to commute time since I'm not at college where everything and everyone is nearby.

      Even reaching college changed my playtime though. My highschool was pathetically easy, no study necessary, and the occasional homework assignment could be done in about 1-2 hours. I could commit large blocks of time at will to RPGs and RTS games which tend to require large blocks of time to get real progress. After hitting college, I stopped playing these kinds of games. My highschool years saw the heaviest amount of gaming. I've got disposable income from part-time/summer work to buy games, I get a car to go buy games when I want them, and few responsibilities.

  2. I find as I get older by linzeal · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The gamer friends of mine are either relatively stable types who enjoy playing as a form of entertainment or social outcasts who have become "addicted" to games like World of Warcraft.

    It seems to me that the "core group" they are referring to do exist and in my experience play many more hours per day, with some playing the whole weekends away. They exhibit classic signs of addiction like only associating with people who play the game on a daily basis and hiding the "playing of the game" from family and friends who do not partake in it.

    1. Re:I find as I get older by fotbr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, they won't leave your demographic alone until you become another brainless automaton enjoying $pop-star-of-the-week's canned music and bragging about your stupid acts with everyone else on myspace.

      Until then, you make great fodder for studies and research grants for psychology students.

  3. The real core group by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The core gaming group is more like 14-22 years old, from the time they have actual money to the time they get out of college. (Some will continue for a bit after college, but there's going to be a rapid fall-off.)

    The other big group is parents, buying games for their 6-16 year old kids.

  4. the core gamer by aleksiel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the core gamer is a high school through college student, whatever the age. they have much more free time per day.

    real life drags core gamers (like myself) down to the level of casual gamer.

    so, i suppose that would make the core gamer 13-22 or so.

  5. Uh, what?! by AdamTrace · · Score: 3, Funny

    "The segments were determined by examining player behavior..."

    So age was determined based on behavior? Can someone think of any flaws with this, or did I misunderstand something?

  6. Mario is smiling by captain_cthulhu · · Score: 5, Informative

    If this is accurate, then Nintendo might have the last laugh with their one-size-fits-all approach to gaming. In Japan we are already seeing the sterotypical demographics blend and blur withe the DS and more specifically Brain Age. The Wii claims to be even more non-gamer friendly and potentially tap into the broad games market rather than the 3% hardcore gamer demographic that MS and Sony want to capture.

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  7. Gaming is expensive and time consuming by lazybratsche · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When you think about it, who *really* has disposable income and disposable time? It's probably your typical teenager, with few commitments outside of school and a part time job that can entirely fund a video game habit. Once you get past this point, in college or the real world with a real job, time rapidly becomes a precious commodity. "Hardcore gamers" don't last very long in college (I should know, I basically lost an entire semester...). So, the vast majority of gamers have to work to support themselves (or study hard to convince their parents to continue supporting them) and thus they only have time for a few hours here and there.

  8. Apples and Oranges by *weasel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Game Publishers aim at the 17-34 hardcore gamer because they -purchase- most of the games.
    The NPD study is weighted heavily by -use-.

    Is anyone surprised that K-12 kids have more spare time and fewer entertainment alternatives than college students and young professionals?

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  9. Of course the Core gamer is a myth! by Kamineko · · Score: 2, Funny

    Of course the Core gamer is a myth! Everybody got shanghaied into buying the Premium just for the hard drive.

  10. Grandma's Boy by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Funny

    Clearly the authors have not seen Grandma's Boy. Don't they know that all 25-38 year olds live with their Grandma and work as game level testers while programming games in their spare time?

  11. it'll all change soon by not+a+cylon · · Score: 2, Funny

    Forget about kids, they're *so* yesterday. Aging baby-boomers are where it's at. (Although I have a seething hatred for that demographic.)

    Look on T.V. Notice anything lately? You see all those T.V. anchors with grey hair? What about Taylor Hicks from American Idol? Get it? The boomers are getting older, and unfortunately are still the biggest demographic in the U.S.

    In addition, MMOs are getting better and better, and bandwidth is increasing. Add in a bunch of retirees who have absolutely *nothing* to do, and all of a sudden we'll be seeing games like "World of Shuffleboardcraft", and "The Sims: Retirement Community"

    Know it. Fear it.

  12. Gamer Categories... by Turken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the article: "The Video Gamer Segmentation Report separated gamers into six groups: heavy gamers, avid console gamers, mass market gamers, prefer portable gamers, secondary gamers, and infrequent gamers."

    But if we re-name the groups to better describe who they are, the results aren't too surprising.

    1) 14-20 year old guys. The only people who can easily fit into the first group are those with large disposable time and incomes, so naturally, this will be skewed towards those in high school. But, at one gender and only a few years of the analysis window, it's not surprising that they are only a few percent of all the gamers overall.

    2) Fanboys. They can come in any age, but "avid" console players still need lots of time, so again, the skew towards high school, but not as much so as the "heavy" gamers. Also, the fact that many people mature in college and may lose their fanboyism also drives the skew towards younger kids.

    3) Average Joe Consumer. This is the one to blame for all the sports game rehashes, boring sequels, movie tie-ins, and cartoon show tie-ins. Only buys based on what is popular and/or advertised. The article didn't giva a full breakdown as to how many people were in this group, but I'm willing to bet its the second largest behind the casual/non gamers. Of all the demographics this is the one I really wish would go away, because most game publishers ARE aware of this large market, and hence they push more and more mediocre games every year to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

    4) Commuters. Either the young children who need something to do in the car while mom drives them all over suburbia, or those who take public transportation to and from work. Portable games are there primarily to alleviate boredom when you can't be home playing games. SO, with more gamers actually getting jobs as they grow up, many will shift from consoles to portables. Hence the surprisingly older ages of those who like portables.

    5) People with lives. Gamers who like to play, but don't always have the time or money. Not much was said about this group in the article, so I can't say much here.

    6) Non-gamers. They know what games are beacuse they live with gamers or know gamers, but they don't really have an interest. Big market, but good luck cracking it.

    Anyway, the bottom line is that this isn't really news to anybody who actually watches what is going on in gaming. It is nice to see that the gaming culture as a whole is getting some consideration though. Of course it still doesn't fix the fact that no matter what category each of us falls into, the others will always be the ones to blame anytime the industry starts to falter or stagnate.

  13. Re:the core gamer by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the thing, the 18-34 year old gamers are just single men with no families. So, between 18 and 24 there's probably a lot of hardcore gamers, but beyond that, the numbers really start to dwindle. I have a family, and between that and my job, I don't have that much time to which I can devote to TV, Movies, Games, Sports, programming for my own interests, hanging out with friends and any other recreational activities that I may want to spend time on. Gaming simply doesn't come that high on the priority list. I suspect that it's the same for most people in this age group. The only people I know who spend a significant amount of time on games are single people.

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  14. Re:A/S/L? by badasscat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is this yet another sign of the 'greying gamer' phenomenon, or simply evidence indicating the marketers have had it wrong all along?

    Probably the latter.


    I'd say it's more likely a little bit of both.

    I am one of these "greying gamers" you're always reading about. I grew up with the Atari 2600 (my cousins had it) and my first console was the Mattel Intellivision. I went for a period in the 1980's and 1990's where I was totally hardcore, and owned all the current systems and just had to buy all the latest games as soon as they came out. (Well, not *all* of them, but all the big ones.) I was at that age where you basically just give in to peer pressure, and I wanted to be able to talk about all these games with my friends in high school and even the first part of college. Then, when I got a job, I suddenly found myself flush with all this cash I never had before.

    I even eventually got nostalgic and built up a pretty sizable game collection (link from my link at the top here). This is still sort of a hobby.

    But then, reality started to sink in. Once you get married and buy a house, everything changes. If and when I have kids (and we're already at the age where we seriously need to decide one way or another pretty quick), I can't imagine ever having time to play games. Even just managing my household, doing various gardening chores and repairs on weekends, I haven't had time to even hook up a system since we moved 6 months ago. I do play with my DS on the commute in to work, but I haven't actually bought a game in 3-4 months for any system.

    I think my life is pretty typical of middle class people. I was a hardcore gamer, but then I got older. Life catches up with you.

    So I think there are hardcore gamers, but most of them probably do eventually grow up. I don't think gaming is something you "grow out of" as much as it's just something you lose time for. And once you're sort of outside that hardcore community, you start to look a lot more critically at the games and genres that everybody else is going so nuts over, and I, for one, have realized that I just don't have a lot of interest in many of the popular titles right now. From what I've seen, this isn't really unusual.

    As for the age cutoff, I think 17 is a little too young. When I was in college, I probably had more friends than ever into video games. We even had semi-organized NHL Hockey tournaments in my dorm. So I do think there definitely are 18-34 year old hardcore gamers, but there are probably a lot more closer to 18 than 34. (I'm 34 right now.) But it wouldn't surprise me if there have always been *more* 6-17 year olds that are hardcore gamers, just because a lot of people probably start to drop off in their gaming as they get up closer to the top range of the 18-34 demographic.

  15. Re:I agree. by Osiris+Ani · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indeed. When I was much younger, it was only natural for me to have significantly more free time for gaming. I didn't have a career, a house, or a girlfriend, and being under 18 meant that opportunities to pursue certain hobbies or entertainment that took me far from home were at their minimum. It was at that time that the appeal of my games was undeniable.

    Now in my 30s, gaming is pursued when there's nothing more compelling on the agenda, which means that though I've owned Devil May Cry 3 for well over a year (and the first in the series was the primary reason why I purchased a PS2), the disc has yet to be removed from its case. It would be fun, yes, but I've grown to discover that it's not nearly as enjoyable as dozens of other things.

    I don't have as much time for gaming; and to be perfectly honest, I don't want to have as much time for gaming.