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Will the Wii Work?

Today BusinessWeek is running an article asking Will Nintendo's Wii Strategy Score? With the Tokyo Game Show this week, they run down the trials facing Nintendo's little-box-that-could both here in the States, and in Japan. From the article: "Few expect truly dedicated gamers to choose the Wii over the PS3 or Xbox. And ultimately, the advantage may go to Sony. Yuta Sakurai, an analyst at Nomura Securities in Tokyo, expects the PS3 to sell 71 million units by 2011, compared with 40 million units for the Wii. Microsoft, meanwhile, is planning a stripped-down version of the Xbox without a hard-disk drive and other accessories that will cost about $250 in Japan, where the U.S. software maker has endured disappointing results."

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  1. Bad News by beckerist · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...yet I've only ever heard bad news about the PS3. The Wii is the first console I've ever been excited about, simply because it's meant for my gaming style: multiplayer, social fun.

  2. Of course it will. by nostgard · · Score: 3, Informative

    Nintendo is a staple of life for many gamers. Mario and Zelda are characters they grew up with. Even if it wasn't for the innovative controller, the low price point alone almost guarantees that many gamers will pick it up somewhere along the line.

    The fact that Nintendo's console is selling for a profit also means that they don't have to sell a bunch of game titles to get into the black -- if a person never buys another product from Nintendo after the console purchase, they've already made money.

  3. It's getting old by steveo777 · · Score: 4, Informative
    From TFA: "Nintendo thinks its game consoles--the Wii and the Nintendo DS handheld--will appeal to a mass market of first-time game players, women, and older consumers not typically drawn to this form of interactive entertainment."


    and more: "Though the Wii doesn't boast all the features and processing firepower of its rivals, Nintendo believes its easy-to-use controller will give it an edge."


    And finally: "There's also a danger that the Wii could cannibalize sales of the DS, which has been a smash hit with casual gamers thanks to its user-friendly design and titles..."


    Acording to Wikipedia, total sales of the DS and DS Lite are over 26 million world wide. This is equal to their Gamecube sales and that has been out since 01. I'd say we can call the DS and DS Lite both successful. Seeing as sales for the DS Lite are still hot, I don't expcect that comined number to sit under 30 million for long. The author is full of it, or a fanboy. He obviously hasn't done a lot of research. Nintendo is no longer hoping that the DS will appeal to anyone. Now they know.

    As far as the Wii goes, I know plenty of people who wouldn't buy a Gamecube because of its lack of 3rd parties. Though I own many games that are frequently requeseted when we get together like Mario Kart and even Robotech Battlecry. Well, ever one of these people is positively raving about how much they want the Wii. We'll see what they (and I) think after release. But I haven't heard one person say they don't want it. Reasons? Cheap, looks like fun, and "My [significant other] actually wants one too."

    Nintendo won't have a problem with this gen.

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    1. Re:It's getting old by hmccabe · · Score: 2, Informative

      And what's more, I believe they are succeeding in their goal of reaching new markets for video games. I say this because my mother recently dropped some pretty big hints about how cool the pink DS Lite is and how it would be perfect to have the Brain Age sudoku with her when she's at the airport, and how Christmas is pretty soon. If they can get my mom to scheme for a video game console they way I schemed for the NES in the 80s, I'd say their marketing is dead on.

  4. The Wii ha sa built in advantage by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Wii has a built in advantage this analyst (as with most) seems to be forgetting, and that is, because the Wii sells at a profit from day 1, **Nintendo does not have to sell as many units to equal or better their competition** in terms of sales and revenue.

    The 360 and PS3 may sell more consoles, and those people may buy more games. But you need a lot more more 360/PS3 games sold to compensate and surpass for the profit loss the companies are taking on the consoles.

    I mean, look at the books of Nintendo vs. the Microsoft home entertainment division. Microsoft has way more boxes in the field, but is still way in the red. Nintendo is well in the black. And that's all that really matters in the long view.

  5. Re:Bogus by masklinn · · Score: 2, Informative

    The question nobody seems to be able to answer is, "how is this any better than just coming up with a funky PS2 controller?" All the Wii controller does is replace the two thumbsticks of the X-Box with a controller which you can either move or tilt.

    That's the PS3 controller. Thanks to the sensor bar, the Wii has what's missing from the PS3: absolute positioning in space. Basically, it's a 3D mouse. And the nunchuk also sports a set of accelerometers & gyroscopes, which means that it has all the abilities of the PS3 controller, and all of the abilities of the wiimote bar absolute positioning (no I'm not joking)

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  6. Re:Bogus by Phs2501 · · Score: 4, Informative
    [Nunchuk:] An add-on controller which not all gamers will have, meaning developers can't make cames which completely depend on it, any more than they can for "alternative" PlayStation controllers.

    Wrong. The nunchuk is included with the base system, so everyone will have at least one.

  7. Re:Bogus by masklinn · · Score: 4, Informative

    how the PSP may be losing some 3rd party developers while the DS is good games and better sales.

    Well Squeenix very recently refocused it's handheld strategy due to FF3/DS: they tried to boss nintendo around so that they'll have a big batch of DS Lites ready fearing that low DS availability would cripple FF3 sales.

    They readied themselves for sales of 300.000 on the first week...

    FF3 sold 330.000 copies on the first day, the whole japan was out of stock within 4 days (with an initial shipment of 500.000).

    The next week or so, squeenix announced 3 games in the making for NDS.

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  8. Re:Bogus by Ryan+Mallon · · Score: 3, Informative
    An add-on controller which not all gamers will have, meaning developers can't make cames which completely depend on it, any more than they can for "alternative" PlayStation controllers.

    You mean like Singstar or the host of eyetoy games for the Playstation 2. How do you play those with a standard controller again?

  9. Re:Wii will make it by oGMo · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now the problem isn't that the cell power can be optimized, it's just that there's NO TOOLS TO DO SO AT THIS TIME. That's right, it's up to DEVELOPERS to optimize their own code, and I'm going to be honest, the learning curve and time that's going to be spent doing so is just not going to help this system.

    This is entirely inaccurate. They were demonstrating tools at GDC for this, and various vendors have engines already available. Also recall that the PS2 really was bare metal on release; it remains the most difficult of the last generation, and yet it was the top seller with the most games. And the PS3 is said to be very familiar to those who worked on the PS2, so...

    There's LOADS of other problems, too. Lack of units. High unit cost.

    Yeah yeah, it's the PS2 all over again.

    Expensive cables that (opps!) aren't included.

    Are you talking about HDMI? They're under $10. Which cables did you mean?

    The fragility of the Blue Ray CRC (it's so dense that one tiny scratch can destroy an entire disc because it stops the error correction from even being able to do its job).

    Well, since the Blu-Ray DURABIS2 can withstand steel wool, you'd really have to be mistreating that disc.

    And the lack of any real online system to be demonstrated.

    And XBOX Live! was going to kill the PS2.

    The Xbox is in a realm of its own. It focuses on games that are not innovative, but instead improves ever so slightly on older paradigms. In this, those "hardcore" gamers who enjoy playing the best shooters on a *controller* will enjoy the XBox (yes, I know they're coming out with new controls).

    The 360 is in the realm of FPS's and sports games, just like the original XBOX. Contrary to popular opinion, frat boys who play Halo are not hardcore gamers. They're casual gamers. Hardcore gamers are the ones that play all the games, especially the obscure and oldschool ones. They import the original before it comes out locally. They might have an XBOX, but only because they're completionists, not because having an XBOX makes them hardcore.

    This is not because I was raised on Nintendo. It's not because I owned the Mario/Zelda Cerial, subscribed to Nintendo power throughout the 90's, got up early as a kid to watch Captain N and the Super Mario World TV shows, owned mario comic books, and even paid to see that crappy Mario Bros. Movie. I had all but abandoned that company after my two fav gaming companies, Squaresoft and Capcom, left Nintendo. I'm supporting Nintendo because after ALLLLLL these years of CRAP... I'm amazed to find a company that puts out a QUALITY PRODUCT, who gets THIRD PARTY SUPPORT for this product, who INNOVATES the market using this product, who will successfully INTEGRATE other products into this product, and who has made this ANGRY YOUNG MALE feel like a DOE EYED BOY again.

    That is, you're a closet fanboy who has been waiting all these years to come out. Yeah, I grew up with Nintendo too, and read the magazines, saw the shows and movies, and didn't think much of anything else (Sega what? Sony who?). That said, "QUALITY PRODUCT" is premature, "THIRD PARTY SUPPORT" is hopeful, and "INNOVATIVE" is hype. Do you love your Wii? Is it bad?

    Where to start? Old games. All of them.

    Actually, the virtual console launch list is only 26 games. 26 games I've played, too. This is ni

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  10. Re:I'd say yes.. by Rallion · · Score: 2, Informative

    There is a little bit of complexity to the profits from game sales, there. Nintendo develops their biggest blockbuster games themselves, which means that they get a LOT more money per game sold -- I'd say they easily make more than double the profit from first-party boxes than third-party. Considering how incredibly popular those first-party games are, that changes a lot.

    I remember reading that for third-party N64 games, Nintendo took something like $10 per game sold. I don't know if that was true and I have no idea if things are still like that, but that's a small portion of the total price.

  11. Re:Bogus by hords · · Score: 2, Informative

    The question nobody seems to be able to answer is, "how is this any better than just coming up with a funky PS2 controller? All the Wii controller does is replace the two thumbsticks of the X-Box with a controller which you can either move or tilt."

    It's obvious you're biased against the Wii, but I'll bite. There are many examples of how the controller can be better. The sports games that come with the wii are a nice enough example. People say that bowling actually feels like bowling, I'd like to see someone pull that off with two thumbsticks. The Zelda fishing demo is pretty unique too, and while you could do something like it with the thumbsticks, would it be as fun? A video game about fishing, bowling, tennis, and baseball is something I would stay far away from, but these new controls somehow entice me to try it. This is Nintendo's goal, to get people to play something they wouldn't normally and I think they will succeed at that.

    As for how it's better than just coming up with a funky PS2 controller, how many people would use a controller that didn't launch with a system? It has never gone over very well that I can recall. Very few developers are going to use a device unless 100% of their market have it. Besides, would someone want to dish out $100 to do something like this on the PS2, plus the price of a game to play on it? I say $100 because we know the controller is selling for $60, plus you need to add in the cost of the sensor bar (which I don't know the cost of.) If someone wants this kind of control they will buy it on a system that will fully support it, not one that will have a game or two out for it.

  12. Re:Did Sony buy this article? by justchris · · Score: 2, Informative
    That's not entirely correct.

    The release day allocation for the PS3 is 500,000. 400k will go to the US, 100k will go to Japan. The full year allocation (for 2006) for the PS3 is 2,000,000.

    The full year allocation for Wii is 4,000,000. They have not given specific release day numbers, but they are releasing in all 3 regions (+ Australia) within 4 weeks.

    Conclusion: Wii will only be slightly less scarce than PS3 by the end of the year. Both will sell out beyond a doubt. 360 will benefit from this with a sales increase from people who could't find either of the other options available.

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  13. Re:The platform wars are over by tommertron · · Score: 2, Informative
    Why are people still under the impression that buying one console forbids you from buying any others? That stops being true once you get out of high school and get a real job.

    And that stops being true once you get married and have kids. ;)

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  14. Re:Bogus by algernon7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I believe you are thinking of Emily Dickinson.

    It's true, though...

    This is my letter to the world,
        That never wrote to me,--
    The simple news that Nature told,
        With tender majesty.