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Gentoo Announces 'Seeds'
rvale writes "Gentoo has announced a new project called Seeds. Aiming to provide out of the box images for various common tasks, it could be the answer to the common complaint that installing and customizing Gentoo takes too long. However, with other developers and Council members complaining that the project was improperly set up and those backing the project refusing to back off, lending weight to recent claims that Gentoo is suffering from management problems, will what could be a massive step forward degenerate into a repeat of the Sunrise disaster?"
True and Gentoo sucks on both accounts most of the time.
The only reason I use Gentoo [other than USE flags] is that I *like* tinkering with my box [e.g. hacking to install packages].
Most people aren't as inclined as people like me which is why OSS sucks.
Tom
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fuck you, ebuilds/package/ports it's all the same idea. The *BSDs invented [modern] ports anyways. So don't think Gentoo was the first with scriptable installs.
That said, I question how much testing goes on, specially on the core platforms [e.g. x86 and x86_64]. Often I find packages will install and run fine first try on the x86 but take a -r1 or -r2 before it works on x86_64.
I use Gentoo because I like the idea of Linux and I like USE flags. Generally though my attachment isn't that deep. If Gentoo died tomorrow I'd just go to FreeBSD.
Tom
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Christ, what about this article is drawing out the trolls?
This is not "how Free Software dies." Yes, if you want certain guarantees like deadlines met, particular features added, or particular bugs quashed, yeah, being able to pay someone helps. But was this not true for the last 21 years? Yet somehow we ended up with Linux, Perl, Apache, the GIMP, Gnome, KDE, Konqueror and more. Some projects stumbling doesn't mean the whole thing is doomed. And sometimes projects hire people not because no one will work on the hard parts, but because they want someone to be able to dedicate more of their time so thing can progress faster.
Free Software isn't going anywhere. Indeed, that Free Software has been adopted by commercial endeavors like Red Hat, Novell, IBM, and Apple is just a further sign of its success. They're building great things on the foundations provided that that "quaint social experiment."
Perhaps a point could be made that community build software doesn't scale well, that it is bad at providing the unity necessary to ship a full distribution. But that's not the conclusion you came to. You concluded "This is how Free Software dies." That's silly.
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Yes, I use Gentoo. So? I don't see any problem. I embraced my Gentoo distro long ago and I am happy together with my workstation (that is a stage 1 box!). I have a fucking lot of ebuilds in and outside of portage and my CFLAGS are pretty optimized and solid.
But thanks anyway asshole. Go and use your stupid Debian while I EMERGE new ebuilds.
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Just in case you like Perl too...
Perl is like being molested by your uncle. There's something off about him, but everyone regards him very highly, so you trust him, and then on a family camping trip out at Montauk Point he takes advantage of you. Years later, you accept and acknowledge what happened, but you still refuse to believe that he's scarred you, because that would put him in control, not you, and the last thing you want is a molester in control of your life -- but your denial doesn't make it the truth. You want to believe that deep down inside, Perl is a good person, and you see that Perl has very redeeming qualities, but you sit down to try and program Perl and all you can think of is that camel's hard, throbbing cock.
The best education consists in immunizing people against systematic attempts at education. - Paul Feyerabend